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Preface

I was gonna sit this one out and let this 'dark era' for Ben 10 to pass away on its own but certain some people, in their defense for Ultimate10, apparently give very misleading representation of critics' opinions. Hence I wrote this to represent the overall negative opinion on Erza and Fairy Tail . May it be discussed, hated or straight out forgotten, it matters little to me. I spoke therefore I am satisfied.

A Mary Sue am I?

First of all! What is a Mary Sue? If you go for an outdated or rather an incomplete version it supposed to mean, "seemly perfect" or rather that's a very cherry-picked one because it also means the author's self-insert but people will use 'seemly perfect' because it is very easy to disprove someone is a Mary Sue by using this definition because it will render almost every Mary Sue as not being one at all! Heck, even then they mistake them for a God Sue when they are talking, rather than a Mary Sue, of course Erza is not a God Sue, you don't need to know a lot to prove this.

Let's test her out shall we?

If you wanna know what a Mary Sue really is, you need to dive into the world of fanfiction which is basically the breeding ground for these critters. (Though this is not only place to find them, a lot of writing, including classical ones do have Mary Sues). To understand Mary Sue is a bit complicated which is why fanfic writers usually put them through Mary Sue litmus tests and so on to constantly check if their character isn't stepping the boundaries. So..

Mary Sues usually:

have a very tragic backstory (more tragic than usual back stories you would hear in the story they are in).

have a fancy title.

are but not necessary overpowered.

have a saint-like behavior

have a fancy heritage, like a god parent or of royalty or something

have a unique hair color that makes them stand out

have jack of all trades powers.

are center of attention of the people, including their enemies!

are subject to author's favoritism, especially in terms of getting powerups and getting them involved in parts of the story where they shouldn't be in the first place.

are lacking in character flaws

are prone to say cheesy lines and get away with it

are beautiful in appearance, having perfect body shape.

are high achievers, they kinda make it look easy too.

have people of opposite sex, be obsessed over them

have unusual eye powers

belong to a hybrid race or something

are the voice of the author, like if the author believes in friendship, that's what this character will talking the most about, with the most confidence, not a single moment where they might question this ideal.

get exclusively subjected to extreme situations like torture or something

are mentally invincible, having incorruptible willpower or some shit

have an unusual animal companion or talk to animals or just be surrounded by them and some shit, basically an animal freak

are the strongest in the group

has one of a kind trinket or some artifact/item shit, that allows them to do miraculous shit or something

can reform their enemies

can form romantic relationships easily, have perfect partner and perfect sex life blah blah, you get the idea

can get away with doing controversial things

There are some who will try to contest me over which is the right criteria for Mary Sue and I shall say one thing: fite me I shall point out two things, simply search up Mary Sue test and you will find over a 100 points on this (though I only picked the general ones). Second point is the manga series Medaka Box. It is self-aware comedy action series where the MC is intentionally written as a Mary Sue and guess what, she lost some of her fights and sometime gets help from her friends too but she is still a Mary Sue. Hence the 'seemly perfect' is too vague to work here, you need to be more specific when defining a Mary Sue.

Mary Sues, are they bad?

I can list more traits but the point I wanted to make is that, Mary Sue-ish traits are many. While having few of these don't make your character a Mary Sue but rather it is when there are too many of these present in a single character or rather few of them are blown out of proportion that they stick out like a sore thumb. This tends to make your character end up as being a Mary Sue in a bad way. Lastly, regardless if your character is a Mary Sue or not, it also depends on how the story handles them. So Mary Sue is a trope, and like any trope it's not inherently bad but if used carelessly, they will be the most annoying part of your story.

Shift camera focus to Erza

Now let's talk about Erza, now we know point 10, 16, 20, 24 (Roasted) and 25 (debatable) are not true for her but she is guilty of the rest. Yes Yes, we know there are other characters who have some of these points, but right now we are talking about Erza here. Besides, others being Mary Sues or not does not some how make Erza's own Mary Sue-ness just disappear.

Tragic story ahead, gonna need a tissue for this

Erza, a girl who was orphaned at a young age, have her village burned and then kidnapped by a cult where they enslaved her to do child labor, tortured her to the point of losing one of her eye and then her best friend became evil, who made all her friends hate her before ejecting her out of the tower, oh and the old Fairy Tail guy died in front of her as he protected her. Then this wounded and tortured child somehow manage to make her way from, supposedly, Akane to all the way to the edge of freakin Fiore where Fairy Tail guild is located, how? I dunno! I'm not the one writing this shit.

They grow up so fast.

Then Erza, at the age of 15, became a S-class wizard known as the youngest mage of Fairy Tail to ever pass the Tenrou Trial on HER FIRST TRY. Then she gained a title, Titania, the Queen of Fairies. Grown up to be a beautiful red-haired woman. Her power is to equip any armor she wants for the situation! She pretty much has a little over-the-top tragic backstory, is a high-achiever, have a fancy title and jack of all trade powers right here.

A believable Mary Sue you say?

However how much Mary Sue-ish she was, this was still the era before the 7-year timeskip happened. At this point Mashima was at least writing somewhat competently. He did try to balance out Erza's Mary Sue-ish behavior with moments highlighting her flaws e.g in Lullaby arc, Erza told Gray and Natsu to go chase after Eisenwald thugs. Then after the both were gone, she fell on her knees, taking a breather from exhausting herself from driving the magical car (which drains magical energy of the user) and then defeating a group of Eisenwald members.

Erza vs Jose (I did not know this series was self-aware.)

In Phantom Lord arc, she took a Jupiter cannon to the face, that was pretty Mary Sue-ish but at least she was knocked out for a while. But then came back and one-shot Aria (the dude that manage to screw up Makarov back then) despite all her injuries (again Mary Sue-ish). Then this moment was balanced out to Jose beating the shit out of her but people seems to miss one point about this fight is that Jose, her enemy, spends most of the time praising Erza. But thankfully, Mashima was competent during this time of his writing that he allowed Makarov, the dude at the similar level of Jose, to take this fight. So Mashima juggled Erza's Mary Sue-ish moments with her flaws to keep the audience from losing it.

What's this, a tragic backstory with lasting effects?

Even though I shown that her tragic backstory was portrayed as the most tragic out of all the main characters, at least the story did give Erza a socially-awkward personality (which portrayed more as a joke rather than an actual flaw, mind you) and her obsession with always wearing an armor most of the time to hide her insecurity (very important because this is what makes her arc one of the most satisfying). So again, Mashima was still handling the situation in a believable way.

Erza vs OS

Oh btw, people were talking in this arc how Cobra owned Erza and some shit? It's all a freakin plot device to keep the strong Erza in check. Natsu took the worst of Cobra's poisoning and still stood, heck HAPPY ALSO TOOK IT, you can't give me DS resistance bullshit here. Why is Erza knocked out by from the poison when other characters aren't? I tell you why, it's not to show that Erza is a flawed character, it's supposed to keep her on a leash and make Wendy somewhat relevant. Also she defeated Midnight because of her fake eye and shit, though it's not bad because it's foreshadowed in Battle of Fairy Tail arc but on top of all her Mary Sue-ish traits, this is another icing on the cake.

If Erza stayed stoned, would lightning affect her or not?

Now we have Battle of Fairy Tail arc in which thankfully, Erza got made into stone along with the rest of the female candidates of the beauty contest, no favoritism here so far. But guess what people, Erza's fake eye allows her to break free and enter the fight. Seriously Mashima, can you just keep her down? I mean, it's not like we are gonna think less of Erza right? But sadly not only Erza breaks free from the Evergreen's eye power, she also beats her and frees the others. It's like so freakin Mary Sue-ish, and then at least Evergreen managed to trick her in regards to Laxus' whereabouts. But she still caught on to Laxus in the end (where I see another fuckin Jellal, spare me Mashima) and apparently Mashima send her off to stop the Thunder Palace instead but again, it was done in a Mary Sue-ish way. She took down more than half of the orbs, and mind you, if you break one of them, they can do life-threatening damage like one of them did to Bisca. Apparently everyone else in the guild took down one while Erza took supposedly 200 of them down! All while she is drained out of magical energy! Oh dear god but thankfully, this kept her out for the remaining fight. So I'll chalk it up as balanced.

Multi-world level Mary Sueness

Then we have Edolas arc. Oh guess what! Usually Edolas' counterparts are your opposite so you would expect Erza to be a wimpy girl right? No apparently, she is just as badass (top soldier of the empire and all that shit) as the Earthland Erza! Her Mary Sue-ishness goes across worlds people! Apparently Erza is in the lacrima and she is gonna stay like that right? Apparently Mashima makes Mystogan/Gajeel come in and instead of picking Makarov who was stronger than them, they decided to free Erza and Gray! Apparently Gray was also picked so I'll let it slide but you can see the favoritism here as Mashima doesn't keep Erza down.

"Azuma you had one job." - Hades

Then we have the Tenrou Island arc. I guess, everything is fine and dandy until Azuma shows up. This guy takes down everyone from Fairy Tail as he cuts down the Tenrou Tree as Hades wanted. But guess what, he makes an exception. Can you guess who it is? Yes, freakin Erza! Oh Azuma is like, "Oh you so strong Titania! Even though I can totally drain your power, I'll make you an exclusive deal that if you beat me, I'll return your guild mates' power back to them!" FFS why are you going this far for her Azuma? The Mary Sue-ishness of Erza is why Hades' plan failed. Azuma is firing the tree's power, which is filled with Erza's friends' power, at her, and she just takes it over and over again. Yet Erza still manages to beat Azuma. Now I get it because throwing her nakama's power at her is a bad idea because she is in her element, this is her guild's holy land, of course the power Azuma was using was gonna side with Erza. But before Azuma gets sliced, he looks at Erza's glory and is all like, "OH WHAT A GLORIOUS GUILD THIS IS! THIS IS THE POWER OF THE STRONGEST GUILD" as his jaws drop. Oh dear, Mashima just have to put Mary Sue-ish sprinkles on this, doesn't he? However, it's balanced out a bit since Erza admits later on that it was her guild that saved her ass, not her and Hades did a reality check on her later on. Like I said, back then Mashima balanced out his writing, that's why Azuma fight isn't that terrible IMO.

"I beat the Mary Sue-ness out of everyone." - Hades

So people like to present Hades' fight as a mean to show that Erza is not perfect but even then, you can see the Mary Sue-ish sprinkles (I think I should use this term more often Hmm) e.g when Hades activates his magical aura, everyone is crapping their pants except...can you guess who isn't losing it and tells the team to get ready? Bingo, Erza. Do you know when Hades reveal his background as the second guildmaster, who was the one who already looked like they made a good guess what was coming? Bingo, Erza. It finally took Hades', supposedly, maximum magical presence, when he took off his eyepatch, to make Erza cower in fear. And the point of Hades handing her ass to her doesn't do much because EVERYONE got their ass handed to them by him. Even Makarov and Laxus were having issues. As I continue further, you will see that Erza does shit that we criticize her for, when she is alone. Otherwise, you should have pointed out how Acnologia was about to rekt her when he was about to blow up the island but you won't, won't you? Because it wasn't just Erza, everyone was gonna get rekt at that moment.

Lovely reunion..not!

Oh god, it's the worst arc ever: GMG Arc. So Ultear comes in and gives everyone Second Origin. It is a painful process but guess who got it instantly without any trouble? Erza! Mary Sue much? Oh there was also Jellal who should be like, "OMG you were gone for 7 years I was so worried." but nope, dude can't even kiss her when she is just few inches away yet people were writing about how he gonna dash across the battlefield after getting his ass kicked by August, catch broken-bone Erza like a bride (that would actually hurt though) and then kiss her HAHAHA!...sigh...Jellal's fiancée showing up is more probable than this shit.

Kiss her ass, kiss it good

Then during the GMG tournament, apparently Erza trashes 100 monsters. You know that's not the issue even though it was very cheesy, it's the freakin reaction of the audience. People of the other guilds are smiling at this, Doranbolt over there is crying, the crowd is going wild (except for Orga and Kagura). Why should I give a shit about Erza trying to kill a 100 featless monsters? It's probably the worst trait of a Mary Sue you can put in where they get recognition like that. Erza killed everything that the others have to settle for a MPF contest instead!

Kagura who?

Then Erza's fight with Kagura is...oh dear god..Suddenly we know Erza is lacking in relevance, so we are given this revelation that Kagura is Simon's sister (As if this Mary Sue doesn't already have enough connections ffs) and those two were with Erza in the village they were kidnapped from! Seriously Mashima pushes Erza into relevance for no reason. We don't need this, stop with this favoritism. Did Gray needed a big connection to beat Rufus? Did Juvia/Gray needed a big connection with Lyon/Sherria to beat them? Did Laxus needed a big connection to beat Orga or Jura? Did Gajeel needed a big connection to beat Rogue? No! But apparently we have Mashima resurrecting the dead, asspulling connections and in recent arc, pulling out a mother out of no where, all just for his precious Mary Sue. And then they ask, why do we complain about Erza only? Because no one else gets this kind of treatment. They are other characters who asspull, give cheesy lines and other shit, but they are trying to catch up to characters like Natsu and Erza. Hence why Gray got a dead daddy in Tartaros arc which caused the recent arc's ridiculous Gray vs E.N.D fight. We called bullshit on that, we called bullshit on Plotsu too since forever and now we calling bullshit on your Mary Sue as well.

Kagura failed Mashima's audition for Mary Sues

So apparently Erza vs Kagura happens. I wrote a full detail on why this was shit in my GMG arc Rant but I'll go briefly at it here. Kagura completely outclasses Erza okay. But apparently Erza butts in where she doesn't belong, why defend that bullshit excuse of a blue furball in front of Kagura when you don't know the full story? But instead of her ignoring other people's grudges like a normal human being would, instead, she is butting in to become relevant! Suddenly gives a friendship speech and decides to win against Kagura, even though Kagura unleashed her sword (whose power was enough to slice through the battlefield), so you would think Erza might do something similar like activate her Second Origin or pull out a better armor but nope, Kagura just loses, like that. Screw your hardwork, screw your determination, screw your feelings, screw your everything Kagura, you ain't Mashima's Mary Sue, lay down there and eat dust.

Oh I remember you now! Aren't you that girl from the game Senran Kagura?

Suddenly Erza saves Kagura and apparently, now she remembers who Kagura really is and tells Kagura WHAT SHE SHOULD KNOW ALREADY BUT APPARENTLY DOESN'T REMEMBER, that in her childhood, Erza saved her from being kidnapped. Oh Mashima! The extents you are willing to go to show your Mary Sue in a positive light... "I prayed for your safety to this very day." Yeah except you didn't remember Kagura five minutes ago... Very believable. You know this kind of development is why I didn't give a shit when Irene changed heart at the very last second, Mashima writing this shit since GMG arc. Then apparently Kagura believes her and starts crying, Oh yes Mary Sue effect, Kagura is reformed!

"Sorry to cut in" - Minerva

Then Minerva comes in, acting all one-dimensional and shit, tortured Millianna in the meanwhile, Why? Lol why not, we need to fuel Mary Sue's reason to go wild here people, stick with the plan damn it. So Minerva is mopping the floor with Erza who, mind you, have a broken ankle (a broken limp, what does that remind me of cough latest chapter cough), suddenly decides that she has seen through Minerva's magic (even though she was getting owned five seconds ago), starts to dodge and dash on her with a freakin broken ankle and activates her Second Origin. Then she pulls out this One-Of-A-Kind Armor, never used before by anyone for 10 years, and then this, who people claim not to be a Mary Sue, uses this armor flawlessly and one-shot Minerva. There is no consequences for using an armor that supposedly bends the very laws of magic itself, she didn't bother to use it against Kagura, she used it right at the moment she needed, when she had the right amount of magical power, aiming at the right enemy, all with a broken ankle before shbefore she gave a speech of how "My rage is the rage of the guild!" (I don't like that much cheese on my burger damn it) while her enemy (supposedly the strongest of Sabertooth) is just there standing, paralyzed with fear...did I mention she's not a Mary Sue? /s.

"Yeah I'm just gonna leave you here." - Erza

So this all saint-like character who saved Kagura from being kidnapped and prays for her safety to this very day and shit, how does she treat Kagura who is stabbed and bleeding to death? By leaving her behind and go claim victory of course! Is it too controversial? EH who cares, Mary Sue can do whatever she wants. And then she, along with the other Fairy Tail members just decides to glare Sting into submission. Sigh...

Shipping is more important than competent writing!

Then during the dragon attack, she gets far from others and fall down. Oh guys look, it shows she is a flawed character right? WRONG, this whole moment is just so Jellal can come in and save her, the broken ankle does nothing but give you a Jerza moment (even though he ignores her in the next arc) regardless of how terrible it made the fight of her against Minerva. Shipping is apparently more important than decent fights in a series that is mainly about fighting, Mashima you really got your priorities straight, don't ya.

A nakama to all unless you are her mother

Then there was the time when Erza turned into a loli. Now you think about a lot of things if that happens but guess what she thinks about, that Jellal will reject her for being too young, Oh Wow, yeah that's totally what you think about, the dude who didn't give a shit about you when you were gone for 7 years. It's very believable /s but Mary Sue needs a waifu so why not. So in her loli form, she can't use her magic properly yet can perfectly tank Minerva's attacks. Ain't that believable? And while all this shit going on, she continues to lecture Minerva to stop being evil. Hello? Wasn't she the one who beat up Lucy, stabbed Kagura and tortured Millianna? Why are you being such a saint to her? Oh right, because Mary Sue.

"How am I supposed to know she can use it before 10 years?!" - Ajeel

"I am going to put time limits to Ben 10 powerful aliens like Clockwork, Way Big, And I am going to modify Atomix's strength so Jellal can bitchslap him". Ultimate10

"Isn't that a bit unfair to Ben? "

"No, I am being super fair and super balanced regarding Ben 10!"

"What about Erza Suelet? "

"Unacceptable, Erza Suelet is the most awesome character in the world. She can never ever loose! "

"But what about Ben 10 fans? "

"Ben 10 fans are mindless trolls. The only true fans are those who sends me hugs and kisses from all over the world. I am the next J K Rowling, Only haters like that stupid devilverse Authors are going to question my work" Ultimate10

"He didn't criticise you per say, He said he didn't understand your logic! He wouldn't be calling you awesome if he was actually dishing out on you"

"Who cares! I am the President here, My fans are my slaves, I can't be opposed! "

Anyways, Go back to logic logic balance balance. Let's get to something recent

So we have this Erza vs Ajeel moment where people like, "Hey look at that, finally Erza ain't doing shit alone, they got friends and help!" , oh yes but did Ajeel beat her? Did Erza just fell down without doing anything after Ajeel has her by the neck and let someone else take the last shot? No apparently Erza got the last laugh and Nakagami'd Ajeel out. This is for anyone who was claiming back in the day that Nakagami Armor has a limit that it can't be used for another 10 years,here watch as beaten up Erza, after just one year, summons forth her Nakagami armor and delivers the final blow to Ajeel. Can't let the Mary Sue go down except in glory otherwise it would tarnish her reputation or something!

Ben doesn't have the Spark of the Anodite. Never has, never will. If he did, Verdonna would've sensed it and given him the same offer to come to Andoyne that she gave to Gwen. True, in Ultimate Alien, his future self could apparently use a mana spell to shield himself from a blast but that doesn't mean he has the same abilities as Gwen. He only stated that he learned "a few tricks" from her. Besides, what does Ben need with Anodite powers? He already has the Omnitrix. That's enough!

Enough? Enough? Ha ha ha

Let's give Ultimate10 an Oscar for cracking the funniest joke on this site. What about Plorza Suelet? When it will be enough for her? Are you even reading Fairy Tail's recent chapters?

Mama Sue for the Mary Sue.

Apparently to make Erza more relevant in the current arc, we got a mother. Who is not only a mother I tell you, she is 400 years old, Higher Enchanter, Queen of Dragons, ruler of ancient city Dragonof, Inventor of Dragon slaying magic and comes with her own tragic backstory...I'm sorry I didn't know I was reading a fanfic, probably God Serena having 8 different dragon-slaying lacrima shoved up his ass was a hint that I missed. So anyway, apparently this supposedly important character known as Irene which we have never heard of before in the entire story, is her mother and she dumped Erza because she failed to be a vessel for her. Does Erza give some reaction to this? No, she is super cool and reserved, like a Mary Sue should be. Sure you might say that a random person comes up to you and claims to be your parent, you wouldn't give a shit either but seriously Erza, the saint who would go as far as to ask Minerva (the one who did horrible shit to her friends) to change sides, suddenly doesn't give a shit about her own mother? Wow very consistent /s though bonus point for finally minding your own business even though she is like 2 arcs late. So Erza for some reason, don't give a shit about her mother but her mother shoves in the back story anyway even though the latter doesn't care about her daughter to the point of commanding an assassination of her at the hands of Neinhart. After the story, Erza slams a sword at her mommy's head without a second thought! Controversial? Pfft, Mary Sue can do whatever she wants. Then there's the whole bullshit of body swapping and shit, Wendy is down and it's just Erza vs Irene now.

...fffff.. Fffffff... Ffffffff

Now I am going to state a few sentences by the Author , The beloved, The Maestro, The President of United nations of Fan fiction. Net. , Da Big Boss of Ben 10 fandom, Masters of many slaves, And last but not the least Who is playing logic logic, balance balance with Ben 10 fans since last three years with his world famous universally liked story Ultimate Fairy

"I am trying to give other Fairy Tail characters some spotlight! "

Which characters, Define yourself. I'm not talking about the strongest Team Natsu they are what they are. And they always gets fair share of spotlight I'm talking about everyone else in the guild, especially the ones that have only a glimmer of importance right now. Lisanna, for one; but ever since she returned from Edolas, she's been nothing but wallpaper, with a few moments here and there. (Not that that's a completely terrible thing, it made for some good in-jokery in the anime filler arc - see episode 137.) Gajeel - what was his life like with Metalicana? (For some reason, I like to think it was him that taught Gajeel the blues.) Levy - what was she like before she joined FT? Or Makarov, or Gildarts, or especially the non-Tenrou members?

"Main character can't win all the time, It is revealed in Ben 10 Wikia that his kind can produce beams that can destroy Pluto-sized objects, but my counterargument to that is Ben doesn't transform into Way Big enough to unlock that potential; plus, I feel only To'kustars who have mastered their powers can achieve that feat. Ben is still 18 and, like I said previously, doesn't train with him enough and; therefore, can't fine-tune his abilities like he can for his other transformations." There was also some clarifications about giving Ben's "special " aliens time outs, So things remain " balanced"

Balanced? Balanced?

Are we talking about the same manga which has characters like Erza Scarlet and Natsu Dragoneel?

Yeah, I guess...

The issue with this balance balance fairness fairness game is , the characters in this manga don't train their asses, THEY GET POWERUPS!

Natsu hasn't gained ANY STRENGTH at all on his own in this manga, until the Second timeskip that is.

He defeated all of the villains pre-TS with random ass-pull powerups, friendship powerups and even now in the TS, a time where Mashima could finally make him train, hell he could've made the Celestial Spirit World something like an Hyperbolic Time Chamber, instead, he chooses to do ANOTHER TIME-SKIP over the inital main time-skip and decides to ass-pull Second Origin out of nowhere that convinently gives more power than if the character were to actually train. Sure the HTC would be an unoriginal idea but at least it would make sense.

Most of the character designs and abilities in Fairy Tail are great. There's so many awesome characters that just never get developed. To be honest, I'd even like Erza if she didn't have hax armor and what not. The equipping magic is a really cool concept, I mean she never even uses Armor anymore. There's a lot to look forward to and read in the manga, but the execution could obviously be a lot better. If you are using words like Argument and logic, They apply to both sides.

That whole thing ruined Fairy Tail and Ultimate Fairy for me, Mashima can't hurt his characters can't let them lose. Ultimate10 can't make anyone but Ben loose all the time. He had mistaken the manga for Bible which he has to follow at any cost. Even at the cost of Ben's character and Alien abilities.

But what about Fairy Tail characters? Shouldn't their battles be balanced too?

Hell look at How many times Ichigo, Naruto, Goku, Yusuke, and Seiya lost they learned from and it gained.

This is like having a level 5 Charmander fighting a level 100 Mewtwo, Mewtwo makes it faint then beats the shit out of it's fainted body, then Charmander wakes up boosts to Over Level 100 then Mega evolves then uses Blast Burn OHKO's Mewtwo. Then reverts to Charmander and is healed like the fight never happened.

"Ultimate10...may be have some flaws... He shouldn't be bashed for them"

Uh lol you mean the horrible ways that the author just threw everything together for no reason. It's not just that there are other reasons too... Anyway not trying to start a fight lol, just thought it was a waste of me typing it out only for it to go to waste, and hey if he can post an entire prejudiced story and defend it in the name of fairness and balance games, why can't I post something to knock those points down. Happens all the time on various things, from sports, to politics, to businesses, to newspapers, to religious, and to sciences and even sometimes art.

Here's where I would rank Way Big's power, on a scale from 1 to 10 - 1 being Jupiter Canon level and 10 being Pluto-buster level - I'd say Way Big currently is at a comfortable 1.5 to 2. His beams are just a tad bit stronger than the Jupiter Canon.

Just when you think it can't get any more f'd up and just how bad it is, it takes it to an entirely different level. He is manipulating Ben 10 alien facts so he can make fairy sues outshine him even further

Lets play logic logic, Argument argument again

So anyway guys, by logic yes! By logic Erza is at the mercy of Irene so we can call it a win for Irene and go home right? Oh wait what's this Erza can still move?

Okay by logic, she can't go that far right? Oh what's this, she can still jump into the air using some armor's gauntlet we never knew she had?

Okay but by logic she can't slice the meteor with just one arm right? I mean she could do it if she's healthy but like this? Oh what's this, she not only sliced it but went right into it and burst it into tiny pieces?

Okay by logic, that's it right? She's down right? Oh what's this, she has perfect air control despite broken bones and aiming for a dragon?

But by logic, there's no way she can slice a dragon let alone harm one right? Oh what's this, Wendy who was supposed to be knocked out can suddenly enchant Dragon-slayer magic unto weapons! even though she never saw anyone do that before and hence can't possibly know this kind of magic?

Oh but by logic, I bet Erza doesn't have enough energy to cut a dragon even if she does have dragon-slayer magic on her sword? Right? I mean none of the dragon-slayers even done a feat like this before even when they had no broken bones and were in good shape right? Oh what's this, not only did she harm Irene, she sliced her to the point where she went back to human form?

Oh but by logic, I think that's all right? Erza is out? But what's this, she can still headbutt Irene and not just that, with such strength that the strongest Spriggan woman is bleeding from her mouth from it!

Oh by logic, Irene won right? She is gonna finish her daughter off? Oh what's this, Erza's laughter makes Irene reform and stab herself instead?

Oh by logic...FFS I'm done with this, people should get it now. There's no logic on the Erza's train. And if you accept that, then don't bother defending her at all. Just be like Natsu's fans and embrace her. Just like Plotsu, you should talk about Plotza with pride. Don't be ashamed of who she is, She is...Erza.

But you are free to enjoy it regardless. Enjoyment has nothing to do whether something is well-written or losing quality in writing. You can like whatever you want, that's your life. But crossover authors like Ultimate10 and Incredible Muffin have turned logic into their bitch in order to glorify other side at the cost of Ben 10. As if that's not enough, Instead of openly admitting to their bias and stupid favourism, They probably call themselves Ben 10 Authors. Hell, Even Danny Phantom and Disney authors are far more loyal and dedicated to their fandoms more than you guys. You guys have turned fairness into your whore which you can use to have your way with Ben 10 side. It's alright to favor one side over others but don't cry foul when other side retaliates.

And what's with this sending abuse PMs and sending flames to the stories a Ben 10 fan, Not cool Fairy Tail fans. Not cool.

And seriously what is with the Ben being overpowered thing? I rarely see a crossover which is actually fair to Ben 10 side. All proclaimed Ben 10 crossover authors are bigoted Anime fans who uses Ben 10 section to glorify their favourite characters. It must feel good to see your favourite anime characters outshining Ben 10 all the time, But do you have any idea how humiliating it is to Ben 10 fandom?

Just because we Ben 10 fans are minority, Everyone feels they can have their way with us. THAT'S WRONG. Enough is Enough. We are tired of reading the one sided biased stories again and again! This is Ben 10 fandom so start writing stories which are FAIR to Ben Tennyson. Don't call yourself Ben 10 fan if you are mindlessly favouring other side just for the sake of reviews . Just like the way people can't imagine Naruto, Goku, Ichigo being weak we can't imagine Ben 10 nerfed just for the sake of appeasement to another more popular fandom. There are overpowered Naruto and DBZ stories but people atleast speak against them, Even criticise them. But Ultimate10 and Incredible Muffin have gotten scotts free with Underpowering and Overshadowing Ben for a very long time. I have gotten tired of seeing people following their footsteps more and more now a days. Even the Bigby the Bad Wolf has started writing stories in similar manner.

So, Apart from a few Authors like Codecrash and Hvulpus 2.0 ...we have no one left to represent our point of view. Fine, Just because we are less in number and our fandom is dying. We are not going to give up. We are going to fight till our last breath.

IT'S HERO TIME