When You Can Live Forever Chapter 2: Sorry another authors note, an inuyasha fanfic

I'm sorry for posting this but for those who don't know who Critics United are and how low they will stoop to harass authors on this site I am going to share the guest reviews they have been sending me since I have blocked every member of this group and what they post on their forum about different authors.

If this disgusts you as much as it disgusts me please email the fanfiction admins at Support at fanfiction dot com

Reviews:

Story: When You Can Live Forever
Chapter: 1. Account deletion

From: Guest

:You're an autistic a***. You're not in college, YOU mop out rest rooms. Now F*** .

Story: When You Can Live Forever
Chapter: 1. Account deletion

From: Guest

:You're welcome you rule breaking j***.

Story: Swallow the Knife
Chapter: 1. Account deletion

From: Guest

:Hahaha who gives a s***. Too easy we wanted you to f*** off and delete your stories and you have. Now go get a gun and blow that retarded brain of yours across your bathroom ceiling.

YouCanThankCUForRuiningFF,

A new review has been posted to your story.

Story: Pimpin'
Chapter: 1. Account deletion

From: Critics Unite (Guest)

Critics Unite:Why don't you f*** and do something useful like take an overdose? No cares or gives a s*** about what you say. You're a retarded, attention seeking a***.

And here is a sampling of what they post in their forum pages

catspats31

Here is a conversation with a songfic author. Mine is in italics and the author is in quotes:

You are not the first person to tell me this and I will basically say the same this to you as I said to them. Thank you for appreciating my work but as far as removing the lyrics go I will not do it. If it was truly a problem would have removed it. I am a graphic communications major and this would fall under fair use. I will not have a debat over this.

Just because you tell me that you're a graphic communications major doesn't mean that you know enough about copyright law or fair use. Placing song lyrics between passages of a story will ruin its pacing and flow.

After I gave the author links to a thread from another forum that talks about copyright infringement and a thread from another forum that talks about the impact of copyright infringement, I got two PMs:

Then let me ask you what makes you such an expert?

Actually, never mind. I don't even care because no matter what you say I'm sure it will be psychic and make me wonder why you don't do something more production with your life instead of being some random whisper blower.

And fair use allows for use of copyrighted material if it is for educational use or criticism. I wrote that fic for the educational purpose of expanding on my writing skills to become a better writer and to actually receive constructive criticism.

I love how on your page you say you give "constructive criticism " but you don't give constructive criticism you just give you're opinion; which, honesty I don't care about since you don't ever give anything to back it up.

Report my fix if you must but I will not change my fics unless I want to or receive some kind of official correspondence from .

Now please get a life and do something more productive than to harass authors. Go to school, get a job, and get some friends because if this is what you feel you have to do in your free time then you have no worthwhile life.

Please do not contact me again or review any of my other fics because I really don't care what you have to say.

The author decides to use ad hominem arguments and the old fashioned "get a life" message. For someone who is a "graphic communications major", he/she lacks the maturity of one.

Reply Jan 29 #911

Yemi Hikari

Emphasis on the fact they are a "major" and not a degree holder. They're still in college, and likely haven't had the subject drilled into their head yet. That, or they're not being taught well. Plus, they seem to miss the fact graphic communications isn't the same as verbal communications, and that some of the rules differ. In regards to song lyrics, the issue comes down to the fact

Writers are using the whole thing, instead of one or two lines, so not fair use.

Even when only one or two lines are used, there is an issue of those two lines comprising the entire substance of the song, and thus not fair use.

I got this in response to the writer whose first chapter is one-third content from the show.

If that is how it is I will go back and change the story, but I ask that after this we drop the subject

And...

And no I wasn't asking you to support me, you are taking my words and reading to much into them, And I not using anything against you, you take from my words what you will but I'm never trying to use anything against you.

How are the words, "I just wish that you would exercise that choice and choose to support rather than shoot down." This review can't be held as an example of how supportive I can be of writers simply due to the fact I can't support plagiarism, so there is no way any review I write is going to be supportive in tone. Anyways, ended that one with the fact I will be checking back to see they keep that promise.

P.S. What makes us experts is something called "doing ones research".

Reply Jan 29 . Edited Jan 29 #912

Metal Navy

I am a graphic communications major and this would fall under fair use. I will not have a debat over this.

Has anyone else noticed how many people claim to be in college on this site? I'm sure there're college students here, but I find it hard to believe that a lot of the rule-breakers are college students.

Reply 20h ago #913

YouCanThankCUForRuiningFF

Remove immmediately.

PRIVATE MESSAGES ARE NOT MEANT TO BE SHARED ONLINE.

I am a Sophomore in college and I do not appreciate or support you mocking me or anyone else for that matter. I am a college student. I have studied Graphic Communications and I had multiple classes on Copyright Infringement, Fair Use, Registered Trade Marks, etc. The fact that you accuse all of the people who you all believe "break rules" of lying about being in school and have the audacity to post it and share it with the world because you all have nothing better to do with your lives than to mock, ridicule, and harass others on this site over items they have posted years ago as something fun to do makes all of you the absolute worst degenerates in the whole world. What you all do is despicable and I hope this forum is shut done. Nothing you do is constructive. You are all a bunch of trolls who get your kicks out of bullying others. If you all continue to harass me and try to mock me I will make your lives a living hell by making numerous reports on any who try to continue to harass me from this group and I will take this to the highest level of the law possible.

Reply 16h ago #914

Trainalf

Please avoid double posting.

I'd first like to point out the person who posted that transcript is not a member of the group. Don't hold them next to us and make assumptions. I myself don't see the point in bringing something that's three years old here, but that's neither here nor there.

Further more, mentioning names is strictly forbidden in this topic as a means to preserve privacy. It's impossible to tell who wrote the response unless they publically reveal themselves. That's been good enough for the admins to not shut us down even though they've gotten an earful about us for the past four years.

Reply 15h ago #915

Teufel1987

I don't get this reasoning. How are the lyrics involved in the "education" of the author in expanding their writing skills? If I am not mistaken, those lyrics were already written by someone else, they were then copied by this author.

If you ask me, copying does not improve your creative writing skills. The most it does is increase your typing skills or your handwriting skills. And lyrics written by someone else are not mandatory in improving such skills.

So how are the lyrics here being used for educational purposes if they are not educating anyone on anything in any way?

Or am I missing something here?

Reply 15h ago #916

Metal Navy

The fact that you accuse all of the people who you all believe "break rules" of lying about being in school and have the audacity to post it and share it with the world because you all have nothing better to do with your lives than to mock, ridicule, and harass others on this site over items they have posted years ago as something fun to do makes all of you the absolute worst degenerates in the whole world.

For one, I didn't say that all rule-breakers were lying about being in school. I said that I find that a lot of them claim to be, and yet they lack the maturity to be in college, though I don't know anything about college life.

As Trainalf said, we're not allowed to mention names here (besides CU members), so you would have no problem if you didn't expose yourself. If you are a sophomore in college, then you should know to follow the rules given by society. The fact that you're complaining about this tells me that you hate rules in general. It's a shame that you weren't born in the Jurassic period. You'd make a great caveman.

Reply 14h ago #917

Spirit of paladin

Hello ShadowWarrior24.

First things first: The person who put the pms here is not a member of Critics united. Something that apparently escaped your college student skills.

That said, it is interesting how you decided to let us know who you are.

As you may have noticed if you had actually thought before you acted and read the rules of this thread and a few posts, you would have seen that nobody mentions the names of the people who sents the pms. Nobody has used your name. That means nobody here knew who had sent which messages. We do that precisely to prevent what you're accusing us of.

But then you decided to expose your identity yourself.

I wonder why you thougth it was a good idea. Anyway. Let's see...

I am a Sophomore in college

Considering some of the odd things that happen in campuses these days, I do believe you.

I do not appreciate or support you mocking me or anyone else for that matter.

Nobody knew who you were until you decided to let everybody know, so congratulations on acting first and thinking never.

I am a college student.

Yes, you already said that. And I'm a college graduate, so what?

I have studied Graphic Communications and I had multiple classes on Copyright Infringement, Fair Use, Registered Trade Marks, etc.

I don't see what that has to do with you letting us know who you are.

The fact that you accuse all of the people who you all believe "break rules" of lying about being in school

Well.. your facts are incorrect, since we don't do as you say. And the people who are brought to a reporting thread does break the rules of the site, we always make sure of that.

and have the audacity to post it and share it with the world because you all have nothing better to do with your lives

No names are mentioned to spare the person from any unwanted attention. But since you decided to let everybody know your name, I guess you do want the attention.

to mock, ridicule, and harass others on this site over items they have posted years ago as something fun to do makes all of you the absolute worst degenerates in the whole world.

Check the dates of the stuff on the Stories In Violation thread. Nothing was uploaded "years ago". Granted sometimes we review something old, but we normally dont' bother as it isn't practical to go after inactive stories, so stop putting words in our mouth and try to do some actual research. As for your particular case, your stories may be a few years old, but you updated a few hours ago meaning that the story is still active.

something fun to do makes all of you the absolute worst degenerates in the whole world.

If we consider some of the horrible things that, for example, happen to women or gay people in muslim countries or how people has resorted to freaking eat stray dogs in Venezuela because, you know, their country is in a crisis so severe they have no food to eat, I'd say your view of the world is incredibly limited and that is very, very sad for a college student.

What you all do is despicable and I hope this forum is shut done.

Translation: I'm being loud because you told me something I don't like and I'm used to get my way when I do this. You know, real life kind of doesn't work like that.

Nothing you do is constructive.

I find that sentence incredibly funny, considering how your post is nothing but a very poorly written attempt at shaming us into doing what you want, which won't happen as this forum and its members aren't doing anything wrong.

You are all a bunch of trolls who get your kicks out of bullying others.

You do know that repeating a lie constantly is not going to turn the lie into truth, right?

If you all continue to harass me and try to mock me

On that front, I don't think we can top what you already accomplished on you own by revealing your identity yourself.

I will make your lives a living hell

Yawns.

by making numerous reports on any who try to continue to harass me from this group

Report us for what? You can't report CU members for language as no CU member curses in reviews. You can't report us for rule-breaking because we don't do that. You can't report us for harassment because three reviews on a rule-breaking story is hardly that. You can't report the forum over anything because the forum sits perfectly whithin the rules of the site. You are quite frankly overreacting like a pro. I would find it surprising, but you actually do think we're the worst thing in the planet, so...

I will take this to the highest level of the law possible.

Go ahead. After all, you agreed to the Terms of Service and the Rules and Regulations of this site when you agreed to create an account. I imagine you do realize that by bringing attention to yourself over this issue all you are doing is admitting you are breaking the terms stated in the contract between you and this site. Frankly, you'd be putting yourself in a very disadvantageous position as you would be stating you are purposely violating the terms of agreement you have previously agreed to even when being aware doing such can cause the termination of your account by the site's staff.

I guess that's all.

Reply 13h ago . Edited 13h ago #918

Yemi Hikari

The fact that you accuse all of the people who you all believe "break rules" of lying about being in school...

Actually, what I personally said about the matter was the fact your words clearly showed that you were still in school, and not a a degree holder, thus while you may be learning about copyright in school, you do not have any real world practice to go along with it. I'm not surprised to hear that your a Sophomore either, as I doubt you would have the misconceptions you have if you were a senior working on your final project for graduation.

I had multiple classes on Copyright Infringement, Fair Use, Registered Trade Marks, etc.

As someone whose actually familiar with the degree program you're going for, I don't buy this. Very few, if any of the programs for this degree actually have classes specifically involving the subject of copyright. The focus is on learning the graphics programs, and the programs that do offer such classes offer the class at junior or senior year. You'd also have a better working knowledge of copyright than you do. I think you're confusing the brief discussion of copyright and fair use that goes on in any art class for something it is not.

I'd missed this part of the previous until someone started asking what this has to do with anything, so I'm going to call you on this one, from one artist to another. There are some really glaring problems with your logic that with your degree plan choice you need to be aware of.

You're arguing that the use of song lyrics is for educational purposes as it is teaching you to write, but the copying of another persons work does not in any way teach writing skills. That's like someone arguing that their tracing of a picture is teaching them drawing skills. The actual writing of fanfic does serve an educational purpose, which is why it falls under fair use, but the copying of song lyrics serves no educational purpose.

You're mistaking the purpose of criticism under fair use for criticism you personally receive, when said purpose is actually in regards to criticizing the original work. This is why one is allowed to do song parodies - legit song parodies - on this site, as it provides a criticism of the original work. Copying the lyrics as is does not provide any form of criticism of the original song lyrics, so not fair use.

You're also only focusing on one factor of fair use. The nature of the copyrighted work is one, and song/poetry is far more protected than a novel due to how small the piece is, and how the substance of the work can be contained in only one or two lines, where the substance of a novel is a lot more. Another part is the amount used either from the original work or the amount of your work which is comprised of the original persons work. Haven't any of your teacher's taught you that when you do use another artists work that you've got to change so much? The exception is if you're doing webdesign, or advertising for the copyright holder, and then you're expected to be as close to the original as possible. In this case though, songfic uses 100% of the song, thus does not fall under fair use. Plus, one to two lines can contain the whole substance of said song, so even using a couple of lines is problematic.

If you all continue to harass me and try to mock me I will make your lives a living hell by making numerous reports on any who try to continue to harass me from this group and I will take this to the highest level of the law possible.

Perhaps you should brush up on that as well? There is more to harassing someone than behavior you find annoying, or people disagreeing with you. Something is not considered harassment via law unless said behavior is abusive. As someone else pointed out, you agreed to the site rules. You choose not to follow them. Someone was kind enough to warn you instead of reporting you, and instead you act like you're a victim because you're not allowed to do what you want to do. Then, when someone didn't name you in a PM, you outed yourself, and opened your words and behavior up for more criticism. Calling people out for poor behavior choices isn't harassment.