New followers and favoriters, please leave a review, even if it's only one word long; this way I can PM you if anything new comes up.
Also, attentions to my beloved audience, I am quite sorry if my harsh language has caused you discomfort. It is simply my style. To be honest, writing in a non-inflammatory manner simply sits ill with me. For me, writing is an act of creation, a transfer of my ideas and thoughts directly onto the screen. To be faux-polite feels to me to be ten times worse than any amount of flaming and trolling shall. It is a denial of who I am.
When ol' Shitripper here came and debated with me, I did not actually feel angry. No, I actually felt elated that my first troll was here, and that this was a guy (or gal) that did not care what others thought about him, whom I could unleash upon the full force of my apocalyptic, soul scorching fury. As I mentioned in my profile, I rather enjoy slaying trolls (and not only for the gold and experience!), as most of them are simply inconsiderate assholes (much like me!) who enjoy tossing vile, base attempts at humor (surely, you all can tell from my story I am trolling Star Wars fans now, albeit in a slightly more classy way than simply going LOL WARS SUCKZ). I fully subscribe to the belief that to live means to be able to take a joke, hence my utterly ridiculous profile name as the Epic Paragon of Manliness and the supreme hypocrisy at the statement to back off and enjoy life when I have dedicated 16,000 words to a rant regarding two completely fictional universes that impact my life in negligible (well, actually rather substantial) ways.
For you guys that actually cared and spent even a fraction of your life at simply sitting down and writing me a review, I say that I truly feel touched. When I first opened this profile and wrote this 'fic, I had thought no one would care and I would simply spit my empty vitriol at a cold and uncaring cyberspace, railing impotently at the binaric void.
To my eternal surprise, in less than a month, I have already garnered over thirty reviews (more than one a day!) and have kind persons drop in and attempt to even help me. Much thanks to those people who contributed lore on both sides, and helped me expand my knowledge on both universes. Much thanks to people, such as Blinded in the Bolthole and Battle Brother Volks, who consoled me to improve my plot and writing and I feel whose criticism will really help me develop as a writer. Much thanks even to those anonymous guests, who simply dropped in to tell me to tone down my admittedly incredible inflammatory diatribes against "that pansy, dickless universe," in case I get banned.
I will follow your advice, and indeed tone down some of my more…provocative statements. I respect you guys, and since some of you are uncomfortable with my hate fueled vitriol against 'Wars (though really, like I said, I actually enjoy the setting, just not to the point I like Warhammer), I'll tone the RAEG! down. Unfortunately, simply because writing completely politely, and being a paragon of civility completely ruins the fun of writing for me, I will still act in some rather PROVOCATIVE MANNERS, simply cuz it's fun.
Call me a troll. I totally am.
SPECIAL NOTE!
Battle Bruva Volks, believe me, I actually am listening to you when you post. I am sorry if I came of rather arrogantly in the chapter, and believe me, although it was a deliberate attempt to feed the troll, you are right; reading it over now, it has a rather sharp edge.
Warhammer (both universes) is still manlier than Star Wars though. That's the truth!
Also, although it seems like it has no plot, that's only because it's just 7,000 words in. There is still a huge lot of space to be covered, and though every chapter will be badass, not every one, I promise, will be about people ripping other people in half with chainswords. And remember, I am doing a fanfiction of a fanfiction, and I gotta follow at the very least some of the stuff Darth Malleus has.
Anonymous Guest and A Sandvich, my replies to you are below!
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They had awoken to a nightmare.
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A Sandvich, while some of the information here can be taken as hyperbole in-lore, every single one of those claims I have made can be backed up. The lightspeed+ Necron Lord hails from the book Fall of Damnos in which the Ultramarine Second Company battles against the Necrons. In it, a Necron Lord uses the chronometron to move either five or fifteen stories (I forgot which) in a single nanosecond. Granted, that could be exaggeration, similar to how I replied to Shitripper's comment that Beldam Spirits are omnipotent, but still, moving a couple of stories in less than a second is an incredible feat of speed. Taken at face value (as in, it really did take just a nanosecond), it would mean that the Necron Lord is lolling at physics and breaking the lightspeed barrier, as light moves at roughly 0.2 meters per nanosecond (courtesy of google), and five stories is definitely more than 0.2 meters. Still, even if it's hyperbole, that's still damn fast, especially as in the story the Necron Lord was beating the shit out of hypersonic bullet-timing Space Marines in reaction time and speed.
Meanwhile, in the Horus Heresy novel Mechanicum, there is a throwaway quote that the Void Dragon "had no name, for what use would a being that had brought entire civilizations into existence and then snuffed them out on a whim have of name? It had been abroad in the galaxy for millions of years before humanity had been a breath in the creator's mouth, had drunk the hearts of stars and been worshipped as a god in a thousand galaxies."
That's the word for word quote, directly from Mechanicum. Luckily, some fellow fan had copied it directly to the 'net, whereupon I simply copied and pasted. Personally, I believe this quote has a much higher chance of being hyperbole than the Lightspeed+ Necron Lord, but eh, back in the War in Heaven, the C'tan and their Necron servants where doing some pretty crazy shit.
Regarding the fucksploding planets thing by the way, you got me. Nowhere in the text does it outright state that the C'tan could blow up planets. However, given that they literally devour entire stars for breakfast and that their help was instrumental in the turning the tide against the Old Ones (and that the Necrons, with their technology alone, were already capable of blowing up planets Death Star style) I assumed they would, at the very least, be able to destroy planets outright.
I totally agree with, and admire your sentiment, however.
Kill the Wanker. Burn the Sues. Purge the Unclean!
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Guest, I think I can kind of tell who you are (you're the guy who wanted me to do the Okami crossover, right?), but to further make sure I don't get lost, I guess you could simply write in a moniker as a first sentence every time you review like, for example, for Shitripper:
Shitripper
BLAHBLAHBLAH
And that would go a long way in helping me identify who you are.
I'm sorry if you were one of the people who were offended by me trash-talking. I promise I will take a bit of an edge off of it, but it will in no way completely disappear. I am sorry if that will put you off reading this fiction, but sadly, due to the fact I was probably neglected/manhandled/tortured at birth, I somehow find great satisfaction at trash-talking, and in my view, there is simply no point to me writing if it isn't fun.
Still, I appreciate your comments. Hope you'll stick with me in this!
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+The Posts Below Are For Reference. Those Who Are Weak Of Heart, Be Blessed In Ignorance, And Look Away!+
Jesus, I wasn't even planning to write an update today, but seeing my first flamer (or shit-ripper, as you call yourself) has gotten me pumped. For those of you here for the story, I'm sorry, but I promise, it will be up in the next few days. Life has been busy, and I want to make sure what I write is something of actual high quality, and not shit blended into words.
Now Guest, I'd advise you to get a more unique nickname, otherwise you're making it super hard on me to tell who the fuck you are, as I don't want mix you up with every other anonymous dude out there. Since you've already called yourself a 'ripper, just go ahead and roll with it. Shitripper is actually a pretty badass nickname.
I'll ignore the obscene amount of grammar errors you have, as this was a rant probably made in the spur of deep emotion and unlike me, you don't actually have any need to maintain a standard for an audience. No, despite this coming off aggressively, this is not an attack. What is good enough is I can actually read it. Point to you.
Now, though, I will really lay on the sarcasm.
Look at me roll my internet eyes. Seriously, I wonder what was it that gave it away that I prefer 40k over 'Wars? Was it the incredibly provocative title? Was it my tone throughout the entire essay? Did it take you a great feat of literary genius to figure it out?
Is there actually a need to point out the obvious?
And second: not to say Star Wars is the gayest shit in the world or anything (as unbelievable as it is, I used to be a heavy 'Wars fan), but even the most basic layman to both universes will be able to tell simply from the most basic artworks the sheer difference of manliness between them.
When one types "Star Wars" into google images, the first thing that pops up is a bunch of awkward adolescent hillbillies doing their best to strike a heroic pose but failing miserably as they look like a fucking gay boy band poster (admittedly, there is a slightly badass looking cyborg warrior in the back, but his backstory was fucking raped beyond recognition in the prequels so it doesn't count).
In contrast, when I typed in "Warhammer 40,000", the first thing I got was a motherfucking nine-foot tall superhuman warrior wielding a chainsaw axe that shot lightning bolts. Your argument is thus, invalid.
That isn't to say there isn't cool stuff in 'Wars. I loved Darth Bane, and the Old Republic was a hundred times more badass than the current shit coming out—but seriously? To say its level of badassitude is higher than 40k? Are you on fucking crack?
On one side, the signature character is a fucking emo manchild with penis envy so great that he basically backstabbed everything cool in the entire franchise in a supreme move of ultimate dickery because he was afraid that he had to give up on boning Natalie Portman. Though, in his defense, Natalie Portman.
On the other side, the signature character is a fifty-thousand year old, ten foot tall, super badass genius God-King who brought mankind from the brink of collapse to becoming one of the greatest Empires that the galaxy has even seen, yet due to his supreme hubris, was struck down by literal deities who turned his son against him, condemning him to an eternity of torment with the knowledge that all this could've been averted, had he trusted his own son a little more.
You kind of seeing what I'm getting at?
Star Wars does have cool shit. I thought the background surrounding the Rakatan Infinite Empire was awesome, and Darth Bane, for years, was one of my top five favorite villains. Darth Vader, before the prequels came out, was a forbidding figure of doom, and I'd always dreamed of being a badass Mandolorian warrior, scything done those pussy jedi, after playing the Republic Commando games.
The thing is, the most badass people in 'Wars have a manliness factor equal to the least manliest people in all of Warhammer.
Bane was a Sith lord that penned the Rule of Two, and orchestrated the downfall of the entire Brotherhood of Darkness and fucked over the entire Army of Light. Yet, can he compare to Dolan Chirosius, an Imperial Saint known as the Great Confessor, who was such an inspirational speaker that in a single speech broadcasted across a hundred worlds, he ignited such passion in every man, woman and child of the lower classes that as one they rebelled against their masters? Who, when caught and under torture, laughed at his captors and spat in their faces, and promised that divine retribution was coming? Who, as weeping pilgrims walked up to him to wipe his brow, refused and said in a line of supreme badassery:
"I do not need your blood; I can take your blood. What I need is your souls; only you can give me your souls!"
Vader? Before his story was ruined, he was a cool, aloof, grim warrior who we all wanted to know about—that's why when the prequels started coming out, I was so excited to learn who the fuck was this mysterious warrior of the past.
Now that it's revealed, I take it all back.
Can dickless Anakin compare with Colonel Schaeffer, leader of the Last Chancers, a legion of condemned soldiers? Who, despite being assigned suicidal duties, has the fucking guts to stand beside those same condemned soldiers and war with them? Who has served the Emperor for over three hundred years, and has been brought back from the brink of death by cybernetic enhancements and organ transfers so many times that of his entire body, only his brain is the original? Who once, when ordered, charged a tank with nothing but a grenade, and fucking took it down, after it had crushed his spine into paste and they finally managed to extricate him from the treads?
These men make motherfucking Mad Jack Churchill look like a pussy, and Mad Jack was a real life British warrior who once charged a Nazi machine gun outpost wielding a claymore (as in, the sword), and took it.
These people aren't even on the high scale of Badass for 40k, and some of them aren't even important characters, who have had barely any impact on history, unlike men such as the Paladin Brother-Captain Stern, or the Reaper of Souls Maugan Ra, or World Eater Chaos Primarch Angron, or Necron Overlord Trazyn the Infinite or even the Supreme God-Emperor of All Mankind, yet each of them are already ten times more manly than the most badass Star Wars heroes. The sheer levels of awesome are on totally different scales.
There's a reason why after I began reading Warhammer, I never looked back.
OK, let's move on.
...Wut?
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i.g a sword class frigate soundlessly pwns star destroyers [witch is bull]
I COULD just say beldam spirits* and Celestials* and go lolololol at chaos empra gork mork c tan ect but that's not fun
that said I will counter every one of you chapters to the best of my quote and wiki finding ability to fight your very...VERY biased views
starts on w40k side...[rolls eyes] anyway you admit you don't know all that much about star wars but then dismiss it on the basis that you {think you know enough} because being able to know all of the major players in sw are and how many light saber colors thare are is deafinetly NOT enough to make decisions about fire power and what not
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Wait, what? You accuse me of being supremely biased, make assumptions I know virtually nothing about Star Wars and complain about how I make baseless claims?
The hypocrisy of this statement matches the time when Hitler promised Chamberlain that he wouldn't start another World War. In case you didn't know, he did.
One: everyone is biased. Yes, I am biased for 40k, just as you are to Star Wars. * gasp * Amazing, right!?
Two: The reason I said I didn't know everything about Star Wars is because I don't. In fact, I doubt anyone does, and I really do thank you for pointing out the Bedlam Spirits; I've always been aware of the Celestials, but I've never heard of the Bedlam Spirits. The reason I point out I don't know, is so that when I genuinely get something wrong, someone can point it out to me. I don't go around claiming I believe 40k will beat Star Wars because 40k is awesome, but because I genuinely believe 40k will beat Star Wars. If you want to convince me, do so by showing me evidence. You should have told me some feats, rather than simply namedropping shit that I may or may not even feel like looking up.
Because by this point, I am beginning to believe that I know more about Star Wars than you do about 40k. You obviously, again, like Daemonhunter2, have not read the latest Necron codex, nor have you read anything about the War in Heaven era Eldar, or even Humanity during the Dark Age of Technology. In versus debates, we usually go by things such as feats, because descriptions usually are filled with hyperbole.
So, first—Bedlam Spirits are, in essence, after one gets past the hyperbole, hyperdimensional entities that can skip between dimensions, and manipulate space and time. That's…it. Unless you are seriously taking the omnipotent description at face value, these aliens are about as powerful as high-level daemons, which all have much more impressive feats, such as accelerating time, changing the speed of light, and all kinds of other esoteric shit. The Bedlam Spirits are literally what Grey Knights slaughter for breakfast day in, day out.
TROLOL! You say. DEYZ OMNIPOTENT!
I hate to break it to you, but every single writer, in order to make their creations sound awesome, dress them up in all kinds of juicy descriptors. Tzeentch, for one, is explicitly described in a novel as an omnipotent that created the entire omniverse and who, out of sheer boredom, depowered himself and split his personality into four segments to troll the shit out of his creation. Yet, I call that wank of the highest caliber and refuse to use that in debate matches. Why? It's a piece of bullshit that literally flies in the face of every other piece of 40k canon. Just like I saw nothing in Tzeentch that screams OMNIPOTENT AHOY! I don't see anything in the Bedlam Spirits that would even significantly threaten 40k.
The Celestials on the other hand, are a supremely powerful race that I say could challenge every single current race in 40k except for one.
Mother. Fucking. Newcrons.
Seriously, you really, really must not have read the latest Necron codex if you truly believe 'Wars can beat 40k. As far as I know, the greatest feat for the Celestials was building Centerpoint and Sinkhole Station. They blew up suns, they shifted solar systems, and did all sorts of crazy shit back in the old days.
Unfortunately for them, that's exactly what the Necrons are doing now—and they're not even at the height of their power! That would've been during the War in Heaven, or sixty-five million years ago!
The Necrons are literally trolling every other race in 40k. I am not joking, they are so overpowered that they don't even deserve to appear in this story, at least in their current incarnation. They are literally my most hated faction in 40k, and that is saying something (I'm looking at you, Tau).
They have a device that allows them to blow up every single star in the galaxy, simultaneously. WUT?
They have perfect time travel. WUT?
A single anti-tank tank blew up an entire planet. WUT? That would mean their ground vehicle=Death Star!
Seriously, if you don't believe me, look them up; the first is called the Celetial Orrery, the second is Orikan the Diviner, and the third should be under the entry Doomsday Ark.
I'll be here waiting. When you have finished even a modicum of basic research, I'll be ready to listen to your opinion.
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Hello, Daemonhunter2; I'm incredibly grateful that you spent so much time on that monster post for my review. To show my appreciation, I will reply in an equally massive post; after all, a smart mind cannot exist in a vacuum, eh?
First off, I've never, ever played any 40k game, unless you count Dawn of War. While I do know of the tabletop game, and I have some Codices, the appeal of 40k (for me at least) has always been in the rich lore, the mature themes and excellent artwork; in other words, the "fluff".
Apparently though, from what I've heard from my even more fanatical friends, is that yes, like you've said, everything on the tabletop game is balanced, at least nominally, otherwise no one would be able to play any game. Due to popular demand, however, Games Workshop once released a version of Space Marines they called "Movie Marines" that accurately represented their power in-lore. Apparently, they were so awesome that a single squad member cost about the same as a fully upgraded Hive Tyrant, and a squad of ten demolished an entire 1500-point army of Imperial Guard. So, yeah. I agree with you: the tabletop crunch isn't a good place to start.
Regarding the Void Shield thing though, I didn't get that from the crunch: I got it straight off the Warhammer Wiki and some of the 40k books I've read over the years. Look up Emperor-class battleship: it outright states that it has four void shields.
You're right in other ways though: 40k is such a big universe, and everything is vague on purpose so people can make what they want. The thing is, there simply isn't that much information about conventional 40k space battles, so I had to extrapolate. In the Space Wolf novels, they made it sound like the battleships had been slugging it out over the course of days. In the Dawn of War novels, a single lance strike can blow up mountains larger than Everest. I added the two together and came up with the conclusion that the Void Shields are the main line of defense—no fucking way is any armor good enough to sustain blasts when a single (I repeat, single) lance strike fucksplodes mountains. No way.
So, is it correct? I dunno. GW is so vague we don't even know if Squats still exist. Is it plausible, though? Hell yeah!
I don't see how a Retribution taking down the void shields in a single broadside in any way negates my view. Hell, in my story, I rule that a single broadside can take down all the void shields. The thing is, for Broadsides to be effective, they've got to be fired from what Imperial Naval Tacticians call "spitting distances"—a couple thousand kilometers, whereas all their other weaponry can reach hundreds of kilometers. It's less of whether you've got the power, than whether you want to die together with the enemy, because when you're that close, they can do the same thing too.
Yup, I agreed with you on the beauty of 40k lore in Chapter 1—you can make up almost anything, providing you aren't too egregious.
One gripe about your comments about 40k though: not every instance of modification is automatically tech-heresy. Seriously, that really needs to stop. People really need to understand the fucking crux of the matter, instead of just seeing the outside appearances. Why does the Mechanicus revile innovation? They believe only the knowledge of man is divine (with good reason—I'll talk about that later), and that all knowledge has already been found, just waiting to be discovered, in the form of the STCs (…and even though that sounds ridiculous at first, when you realize how powerful humanity was during the Dark Age of Technology—I'm serious, if DAoT humanity alone fought against the entire Star Wars universe at the height of its power, DAoT Man would still win. They've got pistols—I repeat, pistols—that blow up stars, ships that fire 100 kilometer wide black holes backwards in time, gravitic beam weapons [kinda like mini-Centerpoint Stations, for you Star Wars fans out there] and tons more. Hell, they even have FTL that doesn't rely on hyperspace or the warp, negating SW's greatest advantage, and have trillions of ultra-robot slaves called the Iron Men, each more powerful than motherfucking Space Marines).
Also, when you realize just what the fuck is waiting for mankind out there, you realize the Mechanicus's conservatism is justified.
For example, have you heard of the Halo Devices?
These are pieces of alien jewelry. Seriously, it seems all they do is glitter. They were found on this abandoned planet, and sold by unscrupulous merchants, and were all the fucking rage. Then, the nobles discovered that these devices kept them eternally young. Whopee!
Then, they started having strange appetites. Oh, it was alright at first: they just ate their meat a little rawer. Then, it started getting really out of hand.
They started attacking their servants, and eating them alive. Then, they started building nests, out of human bones and shit.
The Inquisition was all like—WTF! And immediately instigated a purge. What they found was horrifying.
Those people were human no longer. They became these bizarre insect hybrids, and were fucking indestructible. I mean, seriously: one tanked a plasma round to the face. In case you didn't know, a plasma round in 40k is not like those pussy Halo Covenant bolts—in 40k, they fire bursts of stellar plasma as hot as the core of the sun. That's right, they're fucking insects who frolic around at temperatures of millions of degrees Celsius.
Of course, in the end, using eldritch psy-witchery, which blatantly defies the laws of physics, they killed all the corrupted nobles, blah blah blah, then confiscated Halo Devices. To this day, nobody knows who made it. Seriously, none of the major races made this shit. It is a fact in 40k that even using alien jewelry will get you killed.
Or I could mention the Slaugth life draining devices, which they sell to humans to troll them. Or Eldar Wraithbone, which infects anyone not Eldar with a psychic disease which dissolves their very molecules. Or Necrodermis. Or any thousand other alien devices, or even Chaos.
Did you know, for example, daemons can infect unblessed devices?
There is a justified reason that the Mechanicus is fucking paranoid.
So yeah. Alien tech? Big no-no. Unlicensed upgrades? Bad, not because it's going to eat you, per se, but because it diminishes the Mechanicus's political might, and in the grim derpness of 40k, the politicking is even worse. But a Lord-Admiral making modifications to his Retribution-class Battleship with sanctioned Imperial Human technologies, with an entire complement of tech-priests overseeing the change? That's fine.
If you still don't believe me, then I point out the Armageddon-class Battlecruisers, which are retrofitted, redesigned Lunar-class Cruisers. Seriously, look them up. Or the fact that the Retribution-class Battleship is actually a rip-off version of an Ark Mechanicus, with the original design having a nova cannon, which is no longer used now.
Innovation doesn't happen? Bullshit.
Sorry if it sounds offensive; that's just how I roll. I'm actually not mad or anything.
The thing is, it's this same technological regression that is actually saving the Imperium. If the Empire was in the place of the Imperium, I am willing to bet that it would either collapse down to the Imperium's level, or disintegrate completely. A galaxy wide 'net? There is a kind of digital daemon that exists in 40k. Once it hacked into the 'net, it could corrupt almost every single user of the 'net using subliminal messaging, turning them to the worship of Chaos. Or the fucking Genestealers—because of Star Wars tolerance (at least, compared to 40k), I could see the Universal Bro—whoops! genestealer cults gaining a huge foothold in millions of worlds, without any higher ups being any wiser. The Orks, once they've looted the fucking hyperdrive, would go on Waaaghs! of insane size. Seriously, before, it was only their lack of star maps and reliable FTL that was stopping them. The second da Orks loot a ship that has a functional hyperdrive and coordinates, they would literally be almost impossible to eradicate due to their unique reproduction system. That's not even mentioning the day-to-day dangers of 40k existence: space hulk appearances, warpstorms, anomalies; all these would drive the Empire to the ground.
For example, have you ever heard of the Hadex Anomaly? It's this gigantic rift in space and time, and thousands of ghost ships drift eternally around it, driving men who see them insane. Under its light, entire worlds are corrupted and time warps. The forces of Chaos, for example, have used this last side effect extremely efficiently. The Imperium launched a massive crusade into the area that contained the anomaly. Remember, this is an Imperium of a million+ worlds. They were stalemated by a small band of a few dozen planets. WTF?
It was because for every week that passed by for the Imperium, over a decade has passed for the Stigmartus (Chaos) troops. In that decade, they've set up fucking breeding programs, analyzed Imperial tactics over and over again, and mined millions of tons of ores. Commanders are facing a highly-motivated enemy trained from birth to hate them. They are fighting commanders that from birth literally have made it their life's work to study one particular Imperial Commander, to be his mortal nemesis. Can you imagine that? Despite having only a few dozen worlds, they are stalemating the motherfucking Imperium.
Now, I'm not saying they're winning, not in the long run, but I'm just saying this is the kind of shit the Empire will be facing all the time, if they lived in the 40k universe.
But now, instead of what-ifs, lets get to down to the versus.
Now, to get down to the meat of the matter; strategic and tactical advantages.
You know, probably to the rage of tons of 40k fans, I actually agree with your assessment that Star Wars would defeat the Imperium—but no, it would not be as easy of a match as you suggest.
For one, the Imperium does not just have a million worlds. A quote in Dark Heresy has them either at hundreds, or tens of millions.
For two, the Imperium has ridiculous numbers. Coruscant, the single most populated planet in Star Wars, has a population of…one trillion. Seriously, any hive world worth its salt has that much men—for example, Terra alone has over a hundred trillion.
Also, the logistics aren't as lopsided as you make it out; while I believe that the Empire would be able to outproduce the Imperium, you are seriously overlooking some 40k shit.
Mars, as in one planet, produced over a thousand ships (and not those tiny SW ships either, but big, honking 40k ships) for the Great Crusade.
Read that again—Mars produced every single ship for the original wave of the Great Crusade.
Sure, you could argue, this is fucking Mars, second most important planet in the Imperium, but still; the Imperium is nowhere as weak as you portray it. This isn't even counting the Imperium's skill with psykers, in that the most skilled Navigators can cause ships to arrive before they've left (no, I am not accepting that "oh! No Warp in Wars, lololol bullshit. If you actually wanted to debate, rather than write a fanfiction, on which side would win one will assume the powers of all sides works, otherwise, I could just argue I could beat Voldemort because lol, in realz life there no magic trololol and I punch the slit-nosed fucker in the face), or even obtain targeting solutions for ships before they even appear, or even explode planets with their minds, or the esoteric tech the Imperium has (such as star-bursting pistols, drone armies, ships that fire black holes backwards in time). Trust me, the battle is far from easy to decide. The battle with the Imperium will probably leave the entire SW galaxy at the brink of collapse, as the Imperium, when realizing it's dead, pulls out all stops and goes out in a blaze of glory.
That's the Imperium VS Star Wars. Unfortunately, the debate was about the entirety of 40k VS Star Wars.
You seriously must not have read the latest Necron codex if you believe that the Star Wars has any method of countering what can be called "God-moding".
Seriously, I feel confident enough to claim that I believe a single decent-sized Necron Dynasty could take on the entirety of Star Wars and win.
Not the entire race, a single faction of the race.
Why, you ask?
The Necrons are broken. Seriously, if the Necrons wanted to conquer the entirety of 40k, they could. If this debate had occurred before the newest edition, I would have conceded. But now? No fucking way.
To give an example of Necron tech, we have the Celestial Orrery, a three-dimensional holographic star map of the entire Milky Way galaxy. The catch? Whatever happens to the map, happens to the star.
That's right. The Necrons could wipe the entire Imperium off the map literally by letting their children have a three-hour playthrough in the Celestial Orrery.
Of course, I'm not saying the Necrons would have a Celestial Orrery version of Star Wars, but this was to give an example of the fucking scale the Newcrons work on.
Orikan the Diviner? A Necron that has perfect time travel. As far as I know, only Jacen Solo has mastered time-travel in Star Wars, and he could only do it to himself, and couldn't change history. The Necrons can, and they move entire warfleets through time.
Just this alone is a perfect win for the Necrons. But wait! There's more!
What, you said? Star Wars is faster? Nope. The newest Necron book that came out shows they still use inertialess drives, meaning they can cross the entire galaxy in one second, something not even the fastest ship in Star Wars can do.
Firepower? Please, in 40k, a single Necron ship could take on ten any other 40k ships and still come out on top. In Wars, this literally means they'll be fucking mowing down fleets.
Numbers? What about World Devastators? From SW debates, people have always said that SW can simply amp up droids and steamroll the opposition in cheap, Baktoid shit. Not this time.
The Necrons are the single most powerful machine race in 40k. They can even resist motherfucking scrapcode, which is a sentient daemon entirely made of machine code and that attacks and shuts down machines. For example, in the Horus Heresy, the defenses of Ultramar where shut down by Scrapcode, which left the entire Ultramarine fleet vulnerable to Lorgar's attack. The Necrons could simply hack the droids and order them to stand down, or even turn them against their masters.
Additionally, the Necrons mine stars. Sounds familiar? A single Star Forge was making waves in Wars. The Necrons consider it a piece of cheap shit.
Then again, with the Necrons, ground warfare literally would be useless. For example; a Necron Lord can move faster than light. Read that again.
A Necron Lord can move faster than light.
You know, light can cross the fucking United States seventy-two times in one second, right? You know what this means?
A single Lord, if dropped on the battlefields of Geonosis, could solo every single combatant in that battle, providing he has the power to fuel the chronometron device.
Wait! I can hear some people calling bullshit. How the fuck do people beat Necrons in 40k then?
They…don't. Seriously, even Space Marines lose to Necrons now. A single Necron force halted an entire Black Templar crusade. Trazyn the Infinite made an alliance with the Eldar and the Imperium, double crossed both, defeated Cato Sicarius, the Ultramarine Second Company Captain, in single combat, than teleported away, kidnapped the Eldar Farseer, tied her up, and delivered her to Cato.
WUT?
They are literally trolling everyone in 40k.
I mean seriously, their ground troops use the sixth dimension as ghillie suits; they snipe people from alternate dimensions, for lolz. They captured motherfucking gods, and use them as pokemon. Seriously.
They could literally nullify every single powerful force user in Star Wars by using their Tesseract Labyrinths, which they used to capture a C'tan God, star vampires that rape physics and eat stars for breakfast. Literally.
The Nightbringer, physically strongest of all the C'tan, raped life so badly that all cultures perceive the Grim Reaper (his form) as the symbol of death. The Void Dragon, the most overall powerful C'tan, at his peak, was worshipped in one thousand galaxies as a god and went around fucksploding planets for the lulz. Not even Luke fucking "I blow up Star Destroyers for Breakfast" Skywalker is that powerful. And the Necrons captured them in these little balls, split them apart, and now summon them out to fight—like pokemon!
Any Necron dynasty could capture Skywalker and use him as a pokemon.
Necrons are overpowered. So, this is why I'm not including them in this debate (nor by story in fact, at least, not in their current incarnation), as they've been wanked to the point it's no longer just stupid, but pants-on-headedly retarded. The other races in 40k, however, are not much better.
There is a documented case where an Ork Warboss grew so big he engaged Titans in hand to hand combat, titans being the size of skyscrapers.
The largest Eldar Craftworld is the size of a red supergiant (as in, you know, the ultrahuge star), and has hangers that contain entire moons.
Their Dark kin use black holes as infantry level weapons, and use entire stars as Christmas ornaments.
The Tyranids have consumed twelve galaxies before the current 40k one. They can literally lose quadrillions of soldiers, and not even notice.
The Daemons in the Warp can change the laws of physics. A daemon prince once ordered light speed to be slower than light, so he could watch himself killing things—now, the previous ones were pretty ridiculous but this…
WUT?
Only the Tau are still fucking noobs.
Yeah. I think you get the idea, Daemonhunter2.
Imperium VS Wars? Sure, Wars victory.
40k VS Wars? Please, Wars, you just ain't ready to join the big boys.
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