A/N: Can I just say how much I love you guys? :D
I LOVE YOU GUYS! :D
The feedback from last chapter was just incredible. And people actually started to put their own input in, fill up holes in my argument, and disagree with me a little bit! :D
I LOVE YOU GUYS!
I put my replies to reviews as a separate chapter for multiple reasons.
First, I knew people would like to reply to reviews or reply to my replies on reviews. This would difficult if I posted everything in one chapter, because you would probably forget what you wanted to say or it would be rather lengthy.
Two, the chapter was getting too long.
So, only review on this chapter concerning the things on this chapter, please. :D
I started school today, so this chapter is up to celebrate the first day of Hell- oops, I mean school. :D
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MY REPLIES TO COMMENTS:
These are the comments I took interest in, or I felt the need for them to be shared, and people with no accounts.
I love the people who decided to actually put their opinions in. :D
I would like to say my replies to reviews are a part of the story. Please do not pass by them just because they are not yours, or if yours are not featured.
soul61 chapter 2: Hey again! I agree with everything! I do like Percy more, but Jason is pretty high up on my list too. I also agree that they have to fight at some point. It is inevitable and I'm pretty sure that's what Riordan meant when he hinted that Romans and Greeks fight a lot. And when it does happen, I hate to say this too but, Jason will probably win (or Annabeth or Piper will remind them to stop). Also, Jason is not perfect in every way possible because of his past. The definition of a Gary Stu is that he is a character whose positive values outweigh the negative. Jason can't remember who he is, and there's the fact that he was practically abandoned by his mother when he was a kid. So, if you ask me, those negative reasons seem pretty realistic and enough to bring a person down. Therefore, Jason Grace is not a Gary Stu. (Sorry, I don't think you really touched a lot on this!) Anyway, enough of my rant. I look forward to the next chapter and reviewing my opinions! Love the chapter, love the idea, love you. Keep writing!
Do you know how much I agreed with everything you just said? Because I do.
A lot of people are saying, "We like Percy more because we've known him since he was twelve." I thought I had touched up on this subject enough, but apparently I didn't. I understand this. I'm not saying you should like Jason more, as I love Percy more also.
The Roman vs. Greek feud is what I'm most anticipating, to see how it started, and why it got so bad that they separated.
I'm glad you added your input and added to the argument. I really didn't touch a lot on what you said I didn't touch on, I'll agree and admit. I think you got the point across better than me anyway.
Many people have many different definitions of Mary-Sue and Gary-Stu. I have added your definition to my vocabulary.
I am looking forward to more of your opinions, since this chapter is about Piper and I think my opinions go against yours.
artyfan chapter 1: I like Rachel. There's always a character that people have to hate on in series. I think Piper and Annabeth are Mary Sues, Piper more so than Annabeth. Jason's a Stu! Hate on them. Leave poor Rachel alone. Well, none of them are accurately portrayed in fanfictions, so it doesn't matter, I guess. I know I'm not making any sense. The point is, Annabeth is a kind of Sue. People push her way over that line and into Sue category. Piper and Jason couldn't possibly get more Sue-ish.
chapter 2: Oh, I'm not saying I like Percy better. They both really annoy me. Percy, for the sake of sheer stupidity, and Jason...I don't know. He just irks me.
Interesting.
I see you did not have support to back up your opinions. You believe Jason, Piper, and Annabeth are Sues and Stus, but did not have factual information to back it up. While my opinions on Piper will be covered in this chapter, what did you disagree with in my Jason Grace chapter?
I do agree with your first point, though. There is always a character a lot of people dislike for no apparent reason. It makes no sense. :D
I respect people's opinions, and I would love to debate with your and my opinions, but you give me no reason. That is the main point of this story, to support your opinions and not just say "I LOVE OR HATE *insert character name here*!"
I would like to see more of your opinions and supporting details. People can tell me, "I agree with you! People who hate Rachel and/or Jason and/ Piper can go die in a hole!", but if they don't have the same type of support as me, I can't agree with them.
I am not trying to bash, flame, or disrespect you in any way. I would like to know more about your opinions. :D
Review, as you seem like a nice debate candidate. :D
11Lil'MissWriter11 chapter 2: Hey Alexander Caeser!
I just wanted to say how awesome I think it is that you started this post. I completely agree with your points and i appreciate where you're coming from. i like how you don't just say "All of you people are wrong for hating on them, they're awesome! Go rot in the darkest corner of the Underworld for all i care!" (which they are, don't get me wrong) but you make valid points. I hope this will make people really open their eyes to the possibilities new (or old) characters. I also believe Rick Riordan made these characters where they all hae their strengths and weaknesses but those are no reason to hate! he makes it clear through Luke that everyone is capable of great good and great evil. i'm not sure who i would pick in a fight between jason and Percy though. the truth is i WANT Percy to win, but that's because we have been following his journey and like you said we KNOW percy, we don't know jason. i definitely have to know more about Jason and see him fight more. i see your point about jason being trained more and more disciplined, but i tin the discipline could also be his downfall. Romans fight with discipline and in a very orderly way (or at lest thats what i've infered from what i have read) so that might be good, but they fight with very different styles. Percy, if something goes wrong or is faced with a new challenge, i believe he might adjust better to the new problem, but icannot deny that Jason has had WAY more training (i mean, i would not want to be around two year olds with swords!). i wold like to hear what you think so pleae updae soon!
11Lil'MissWriter11
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I am glad you like my story. :D The whole point of this story is to have support to back up accusations, whether you love a character or hate them.
I'm glad I got the "we know Percy more" point across to you. Judging by people's reviews, I didn't stress it enough. I know you automatically favor someone you have known and loved for a long time. That's emotional and psychological, not exactly rational. I know this, but if you are going to argue with someone about it, you can't be biased. I'm a debater and a realist, and that's a main point for me. I'm not accusing you or anybody else of doing that, I'm just saying it to put it out there. :D
I really hope everyone read the part you said about discipline, to see as that could go against Jason. It is a very good argument. Percy would probably adjust better to a sudden change, as Jason, who's order is everything, would probably get disoriented and be, as you said, his downfall. However, Percy's less disciplined style of fighting could cause him to make more errors. Percy could also hesitate to end someone, while Jason would be merciless. This could be a downfall to either. If Percy hesitated, the opponent could get an advantage and destroy Percy. On the other hand, if Percy hesitates, the enemy could tell their story to prove innocence or help Percy out in some way, or someone else could take Percy's place and end them. If Jason were merciless, he could possibly end the wrong person, and have blood on his hands or worse; on the other hand, if he ended the right person and had no mercy or resentment at all, it would be easier and victory would ensue.
I would like to hear more points like this to see who could win in combat: Percy or Jason. While physical is a big part of combat, mental, psychological, and emotional are bigger factors.
I would like to hear more on those factors, not just from you, but from other people as well. :D
Girl With No Account chapter 2: This. Made. Me. Not. (BAD WORDS) Hate. Jason.
This chapter was very well-written. Aweomse as usual.
:D I really changed your mind on a character? That's awesome.
But I could've misinterpreted your review. I don't know. :D
Thank you. :D
Vivid Tear chapter 2:Heya, it's meeeeeeeeee! -happy music-
...I'm sorry about that. D:
Anyways,I like Percy better, but there's a reason for that. All us fans had known him since he was twelve.
He grew on us, and that's why we like him more.
However, if Rick decided to base the books on the Romans, we would probably like them more because they were first.
Besides, there's only one book so far in HoO, so it might get better.
Write more~ OR ELSE. -innocent smile- :D
First the devious smile, now the innocent smile? Creep. :D
Do you know that Lonely Island song?
"Do the creep ahh! Do the creep ahh! When yo' judge is a hottie and you can't control yo' body do the creep ahh! Do the creep ahh!"
Love that song. :D
Again, I didn't get that point across? I thought I did. If you've actually read my replies like you were supposed to, you know what I mean, and if you didn't, BAD PERSON! And I refuse to repeat myself again. :D
I agree with what you said about if the first books were about Romans and Jason, we would probably like him more.
I hope it gets better, as I'm biting my nails in anticipation for Son of Neptune. It's gonna be intense. :D
If you have read through this, say Draco Malfoy in your review.
TitaniaSilk chapter 2: I, personally, like Jason. Probably because he's forced to be so tough.
I mean, from age 2, he was forced to be pretty much emotionless, and that's got to be hard on a kid. But does he complain once in a 553 page book? Nope.
He seems more emotionally mature than Percy, which is a nice change. It often seems to me that Percy is just too silly. I mean, he's awesome and all, and I pouted for about a week after reading the The Lost Hero preview, but at times he's silly at a time where it would be better if he wasn't. Jason however, has some awesome lines, but at the same time, he's not constantly goofing off.
I think you did a really good job of pointing out how people really have no reason to be hating Jason.
Thank you for pointing this out. :D
Some people like goofy Percy more than serious Jason. I personally like both, but I do like how Jason is more serious. I like formality and seriousness, and it also happens to be attractive. ;)
All jokes aside, I agree with you. But, then again, as the books are completely in Percy's perspective, he would also have to take on the role of comic relief. In The Lost Hero, the POV change let Leo Valdez be a comic relief, and awesome at that. Percy Jackson & the Olympians did not have that. Leo let Jason be more serious. A lot of people don't like Riordan's change from 1st person to 3rd person, but the positives and opportunities of changing the POV styles far outweighed the negatives. People don't like change in general, though.
Thank you for saying I did a good job. :D
bestgyrl chapter 2: I honestly couldn't say much about Jason until I read this. It did make me appreciate him more. And I have a few points.
1. Jason does has all of those things over Percy, but we're forgetting two crucial facts. Percy is invincible, and Jason broke his weapon! I doubt that Jason can find Percy's weak spot. Maybe if Jason kicked him in the back.
2. The whole Percy remembers his girl but Jason doesn't thing is totally biased, by the way. It's unfair to Jason. It's like this:
If we had read a book called "Jason Grace and the Romans," and Reyna was the female love interest, or protagonist, whatever that is (I forgot what it was), then I'm sure that we wouldn't want him running off with some random girl at the Greek camp.
So is it really fair that we don't want Percy doing this, but it's okay with Jason? Don't get me wrong, I'd love it if he and Piper, or even if Piper and Leo dated. I just think it's unfair.
The most unfair thing is that Jason didn't remember Reyna until after all of that, but Percy remembered Annabeth from he start. Not really complaining, it's just unfair.
These are just my random, (VERY random), thoughts. Later!
I'm glad you appreciate Jason more. :D
While Percy is invincible, it is possible for him to tire, and therefore be defeated. If they battled, they would not aim to kill, they would aim to defeat, or at the maximum, maim. Jason's weapon will probably be revived, as his weapon is very vital to his combat. If Percy somehow lost his pen and it couldn't come back to him, there would be a way that he got it back. If Jason's weaponry is anything like Percy, Jason's sword and lance would be the only one balanced for him. Also, *SPOILER* Percy lost his Curse of Achilles in Son of Neptune. He would not have that advantage anymore.
I completely agree with you on this point. It is completely unfair. And you know what the f**ked up part is? He's probably gonna end up with Piper. Which sucks. But, I'll give Rick the benefit of the doubt, as Piper could end up with Leo, or Piper could end up with someone else, And Jason and Reyna could live happily into a sunset or some shit. My opinions about Piper are covered in this chapter. :D
Silents-in-the-Library chapter 1: Oh, I like her. A lot. She's probably the most hated PJO character that bears no hatable characteristics. As opposed to Jason, who's hatable as it is without making him OOC.
Again, why do you hate Jason? If you've read my chapter on Jason, what arguments do you have against mine? Is there a hole in my arguments? Review, please. I would like to know. :D
SonOfHades22 chapter 2: This review is on your whole Percy/Jason battle. Personally, i think that they would be to noble to fight each other, they're just to damn good and pure. Besides, I don't pretend to know everything about Percy's or Jason's life. Even if one of them would win. they wouldn't brag or anything. Just ask for a rematch. I hope that Percy and Jason do a future battle together. They would be the best combo. The best Greek and the best Roman battling them together
Considering Riordan's hints about big disagreements between Greek and Roman, the Jason vs. Percy battle is probably gonna be inevitable. While yes, they are both great leaders and such, their styles of leadership, battle, order, and many other things differ from one another. Jason is a confirmed person on the Argo II ship, and while that might not be the case with Percy, he is probably gonna be one of the seven also. They would probably be leaders of the ship, they would butt heads, even before starting the journey, and combat will probably ensue. Yes, they are very noble and kind and pure, but they are not to the point where they won't battle each other. They will butt heads at some point, I guarantee that. But, like you said, they will probably not brag. Except Jason, because titles in Rome seem to be a big deal. If he had a speech like he did in his quote, he would probably say, "I defeated Perseus Jackson, son of Neptune, leader of the Greek camp and the successful Battle of New York!" or something similar to that. No, he would not abuse that bragging right, but if he had to like he did at the Wolf House, he would use it. Yes, they would kick a whole bunch of asses together, no doubt about that. :D
If you have all through this like good little boys and girls, say Trey Songz in your review. ;D
I have a (un)healthy obsession with Trey Songz. :D My friend thinks Logan Lerman is sexier than Trey Songz. I'm like, pssh, that's physically impossible, as Trey Songz is the sexiest human being who has ever graced the universe with his presence. :D
If you have questions, comments, or concerns about what reviewers said or my replies to reviews, review! This is a large, interactive debate. :D
The next profile is Piper. It should be up by now! :D