So Jess went on vacation for a while, and I just got excited while she was gone and started doing research and putting together a fucking novella of Google searches and wikipedia for her to sift through when she got back. She's back now, and she still hasn't gotten back to me because it's just too darn much and she hasn't been able to sit down and tackle it all at once. So she'll get back to me with her own opinions...eventually. Special thanks goes to JExy-tan for a great review and for pointing out Vriska's jacket in one of the recent updates-hadn't noticed that before! And the links...I fixed them this time. Because I actually think they're a valuable source of information. Clearly, I spent a lot of time on the Homestuck wikia pages, just reading and absorbing. It really helps to organize the universe in my head, so if you haven't checked those out yet, I recommend doing so. Lots of other things, like horoscopes and Greek mythology and...the makeup of DNA genomes, which I would like to learn more about... I may have overdone it a little bit. -sigh- I feel bad for Jess.
All the Greek mythology was mostly to know what I could about the Denizens to give me a little insight on what AH may have made those characters out to be. It'll be interesting to see what of their mythological counterparts he decides to incorporate into his own interpretations of them.
Information Overload
KALYN
HOLY MOTHERFUCKING SHIT GAMZ/TAV IS CANNON!
CANON*!
Homestuck updated and we get to see that rap-off they had before I think and holy crap it has so much innuendo and then it's not even trying to hide it anymore.
READ IT!
If I didn't see that pairing before, I definitely see it now! XD
Hoh gawd I love Gamzee now more than ever. EVER!
It's a bit onesided, but just the fact that it was blatantly suggested blows my mind. I almost think it might have been prompted by the fanbase for Gamz/Tav shippers...like AH was like, "Well if that pairing was to be considered, THIS is probably how it would play out..."
JESSICA
I'M A DISGUSTING WORTHLESS BILGESACK ON THE GARGANTUAN TEAT OF A LABORING, LEPROUS MUSCLEBEAST. MY SELF ESTEEM IS SO SMALL, ITS EXISTENCE IS A MATTER OF CONJECTURE AMONG THEORETICAL PHYSICISTS. I SMELL SO BAD, THE STENCH CANNOT BE EXPRESSED WITH EVEN THE MOST ELOQUENT, FLORID LANGUAGE. THE ODOR MY BODY MAKES HAS MADE POETS CRY. I HAVE WON SPECIAL AWARDS FOR DISCOVERING NEW PLACES TO TOUCH MYSELF EROTICALLY WHILE FARTING. I UNFAIRLY PULVERIZE THE COMPETITION IN ASSHOLE PAGEANTS, AND I HAVE RECEIVED A LIFETIME BAN FROM UGLY CONTESTS BY PRESIDENT SHITFACE HIMSELF. MY BLOOD IS NOT FIT TO FLOW THROUGH A SEWER, AND MY SIGN IS A PICTOGRAPHIC SYMBOL THAT LOOSELY TRANSLATES AS "PLEASE HIKE THESE PANTS UP TO THIS GUY'S ARMPITS, CHAIN HIM TO A FLOGGING JUT, AND MAKE A FUCKING EXAMPLE OUT OF THIS SORRY SACK OF SHIT." WHEN I LOOK IN A MIRROR, MY REFLECTION SLOWLY SHAKES HIS HEAD WHILE I WET MYSELF IN SHAME.
JESSICA
That is Karkat's self image in a nutshell! Now i'm reading, leave me be
So, Jade's denizen is Echidna, who I believe is the mother of demons is Greek/Roman mythology (one of those). I wonder if that has anything to do with anything other than Jade breeds the frogs. Dave's was Hephaestus, right? I really want to know more about the denizens soon!
JESSICA
I don't understand the point of the Nanasprite story. Other than that she and Jade's "grandpa" were supposed to have kids. But they did via John. So whatever they did was all right. John's Dad never had kids of his own, and John was blasted in on a Meteor. The only interesting part of that was the Baroness wasn't human. If she wasn't human, what was she? She was obviously connected to the "game." Someone is also probably going to find Fedorafreak. But I don't know.
JESSICA
I love Jack's vision of Jade
KALYN
In Greek mythology, Echidna (Greek: Ἔχιδνα, ekhis, ἔχις, meaning "she viper") was half woman half snake, known as the "Mother of All Monsters" because most of the monsters in Greek myth were mothered by her.
I bet she looks just like that!
KALYN
either that or this: .com/imgres?imgurl=http%3A%2F%.%2FIMAGES%&imgrefurl=http%3A%2F%.%2Ftopics%&h=566&w=849&sz=393&tbnid=GODNNBRbFWPV7M%3A&tbnh=105&tbnw=158&prev=%2Fsearch%3Fq%3Dechidna%26tbm%3Disch%26tbo%3Du&zoom=1&q=echidna&docid=a5W3nYPDMFdunM&sa=X&ei=m5ktTuvvIoGRgQf_q4T7Cg&ved=0CEsQ9QEwBA&dur=2404
(just do a Google images search for "echidna" for this one)
KALYN
Apparently she's rumored to have three separate sets of parents, because no one could agree on who they were...
JESSICA
See, mother of monsters. I was right. Demon. Monsters. What's the difference (according to the Greeks that is)
KALYN
she was something called a drakaina, which just means she's half woman half snake
sometimes she has wings, sometimes two tails
KALYN
Echidna was the mother by Typhon of many monstrous offspring, including:
Orthrus, the two-headed dog which guarded the Cattle of Geryon[9][10]
Cerberus, the many-headed dog which guarded the gates of Hades[9][11]
the Lernaean Hydra, the many-headed sea monster which when one of its heads was cut off grew two more[9][11]
the Chimera, a fire breathing beast, part goat, part snake, and part lion[9][12][11]
the Caucasian eagle, that every day ate the liver of Prometheus[13]
the Crommyonian sow, killed by Theseus[14]
the Gorgon, as according to Hyginus[11]
the Colchian Dragon that guarded the Golden Fleece[11]
Scylla[11]
the Teumessian fox, destined never to be caught; sometimes called the Cadmean vixen
KALYN
sorry about the numbers...straight off wikipedia
"Caucasian eagle" lol
And that's all I got on Echidna...
Now Hephaestus (which makes a lot of sense with Dave):
KALYN
He was the god of technology, blacksmiths, craftsmen, artisans, sculptors, metals, metallurgy, fire and volcanoes. Like other mythic smiths but unlike most other gods, Hephaestus was lame, which gave him a grotesque appearance in Greek eyes. He served as the blacksmith of the gods, and he was worshipped in the manufacturing and industrial centers of Greece, particularly in Athens.
Any famous metalworks you can think of from Greek mythology was most likely crafted by him. ie: winged sandals, Aphrodite's girdel, Helios' chariot, and a bunch of weapons and armor for various gods and heroes.
He created the woman Pandora as well and all of the thrones of mount olympus.
Palace of Olympus*
Don't know if it was a mountain. Stupid Disney.
Apparently Hero (his mother) was a huge hypocritical bitch. Being the goddess of family, she was disgusted by Hephaestus and threw him out of Olympus. Literally.
There are a bunch of variations on that story though.
Bottom line is, he was thrown out and onto earth where he carried out the rest of his days lame.
Hephaestus was the only god said to have returned to Olympus after his or her exile.
How did he get there? Shenanigans.
He played a trick on Hera for revenge, and then all the gods wanted him to return there to fix it, but he refused. So Dionysius came down and got him drunk and dragged him all the way back.
JESSICA
Exactly! Ha! Connections are now being formed! Now we just need to know Rose's and John's
KALYN
LOL He had an arranged marriage with Aphrodite because he was the only one ugly enough that she didn't want to marry him. She cheated on him with Ares and he played some shenanigans on them too. He ensnared them in an invisible net he made and dragged them naked back to the rest of the gods and all the other gods had a laugh and made them pay an adulterer's fine. Hephaestus was pretty pissed, so he gave Aphrodite back to Zeus and demanded his money back for having to marry her. Because apparently he paid for her.
He's linked with various volcano gods...and apparently some mysterious cult, which is interesting. It was before Greek mythology.
KALYN
He was pretty ugly though: He was depicted with crippled feet, and misshapen, either from birth or as a result of his fall from Olympus. In vase-paintings, Hephaestus is usually shown lame and bent over his anvil, hard at work on a metal creation, his feet sometimes back-to-front: Hephaistos amphigyēeis. He walked with the aid of a stick.
In some myths, Hephaestus built himself a "wheeled chair" or chariot with which to move around, thus helping him overcome his lameness while showing the other gods his skill.[25] In Homer's Iliad it is said that Hephaestus built some bronze human machines to help him get around.
KALYN
This is just interesting because of the Lewis Carroll reference: Hephaestus's ugly appearance and lameness is taken by some to represent arsenicosis, an effect of low levels of arsenic exposure that would result in lameness and skin cancers. In place of less easily available tin, arsenic was added to copper in the Bronze Age to harden it; like the hatters, crazed by their exposure to mercury, who inspired Lewis Carroll's famous character of the Mad Hatter, most smiths of the Bronze Age would have suffered from chronic poisoning as a result of their livelihood. Consequently, the mythic image of the lame smith is widespread.
And that's all I found on Hephaestus.
I wonder about that "bronze human machine" thing though...If I were to give a crazy character any of its mythological traits, it would most definitely be that.
KALYN
Okay this is awesome. Apparently Sollux is still Mr. 2-sided, because in this dream bubble he has one white shoe and one black and his eyes (eye sockets?) are the same. And he's lost depth perception, I think. Which is kinda sad, but anyway. It seems this duality has allowed him to travel outside of the dream bubbles while he's dreaming and into the empty space surrounding them. Which is great if you want to get around the bubbles and stuff. I think Aradia's comment that he has "a foot on either side" means life/death, but that's just a theory. I don't really know if the dead dream bubble dwellers can travel outside of them as well, or if it's just Sollux and God-tier Aradia.
Or maybe that's it. Maybe it's like a foot on either side of the line between mortality and immortality.
And the trolls and humans are about to meet in this clipping. Aradia is waiting to meet them.
Tell me your thoughts on this. Also you haven't answered my Gam/Tav minirant! I was all "ZOMG! " and you were just like "meh."
No. Not even that. You didn't even ACKNOWLEDGE it.
But it's kinda funny that when he had eyes like 3D glasses (as well as glasses like 3D glasses) he could see in 3 dimensions like any other schmuck. And now that that's gone he can't.
Or maybe I'm totally wrong and the big green sun is actually two-dimensional.
But that would just be silly.
KALYN
Regarding Jade's mission with the frogs, I'm really curious what the purpose of breeding them all was when the one she needed was in her memory all along. I know she didn't know that at the time, she had to get the information from her denizen and all, and I will let the fact that Kanaya didn't have this sort of information either slide (although I guess her frog would've been a different mission anyway, all the circumstances are different)...But will all the other frogs she bred come into play later? Like, will there be a real use for them? Or was this just a waste of time?
KALYN
I guess there are a few things I wonder if the comic couldn't have done without. Initially I thought everything AH throws in there was deliberate and carefully planned. This probably is too though, hopefully. But when they crop up I find myself wondering what the point of it all was.
KALYN
But I guess he's proven that he is deliberate in the end, even if it seems pointless, like with Davesprite and Jadesprite. I'm certain Jadesprite will get her shit together and be useful soon. She has Bec's power as well, after all, and Jade's mind. And Davesprite helped out Alpha Dave a lot during the game.
KALYN
Speaking of the game, is it still April 13, 2009? Or have some days passed? I know the trolls' session took weeks. But the humans made more progress in a day. Which makes sense, since there's a third of the numbers the trolls had. But seriously, how long has it been now? They're all in the medium now, without the threat of meteors to let us know it hasn't been all that long. And they've been through a lot. Carrying out plans and such.
JESSICA
Well, I think the entire thing is supposed to happen in a month. From entering to the Scratch.
KALYN
And what are your thoughts on the, uh...other ideas I presented? I feel as though this conversation has been rather one-sided today...
KALYN
So this is pretty fascinating. Morgan was doing some research I guess and she found a MSPA Wikia page about DNA nucleotides and how they pertain to each of the characters' screennames. I'll send you the link:
KALYN
mspaintadventures(dot)wikia(dot)com/wiki/Online_handles_and_genetics
KALYN
Read that. It's pretty cool. But it made me wonder about what sorts of genetics those different pairings will effect (or if only pairs would be enough to predict something like that.)
I know that you can also have groupings of 3 and 4 of these, which made me wonder about the various couples in the comic and if their combined names would also affect a certain pattern or something.
Then we started doing research on the 12 zodiac signs and read the descriptions for each and compared them to the personalities of the trolls:
KALYN
www(dot)psychicguild(dot)com/horoscopes_
KALYN
It's just one website, I know, but listen.
Aries is apparently very adventurous and has seen it all. I would agree. Aradia has had about five different forms throughout the comic.
"Although they are independent, outgoing and assertive they are also surprisingly trusting, often innocently walking into the lion's den at times." Well she did trust for that one second when Sollux was being all possessed and stuff and it cost her her life. But here's the next sentence: "No matter what upheaval, challenge or triumph they confront - an Aries has a wonderful ability to bounce back."
KALYN
Well, she was dead for quite a while and that never discouraged her!
And then it talks about how Aries always have faith in people and the future and stuff.
Taurus didn't fit quite so beautifully, except the statement that they hate to be put in jeopardy of any kind and their life pursuit is to have security (emotionally, physically, etc.) What is kind of funny though is Tavros, according to this, is an extremely sensual being. " An earth sign, they deal well with the personal, physical senses and consequently all the pleasures associated with what they can see, touch, smell and taste, add up to a special delight to them." And they love nature and animals and stuff.
KALYN
What totally didn't fit though was that Taureans are supposedly closed off from others regarding their emotions and hide their true feelings, but I always saw Tavros as an open book. He was always talking to people about how he has low self-esteem.
Geminis fit me and Morgan more than Sollux. Sollux is very intelligent, yes, but I can't really see him as an adventure-chaser or living such an enthusiastically creative lifestyle like the horoscope describes. He isn't a huge talker, and he's not really that social, he seems to prefer being an observer to the group. So I think AH based Sollux more on the duality of the sign rather than its supposed personality.
KALYN
Cancer is hilarious. I'm just gonna copy/paste some stuff directly. "Life Pursuit: Constant reassurance and intimacy
Vibration: Moody...It is fair to say that most Cancers are a bundle of contradictions. Compassionate and caring with friends, family and lovers, yet they can cut to the bone with their jealous remarks and ever-changing moods. Endearingly eccentric on one hand, and on the other, insecure about how others see them. Like their astrological symbol - the Crab - Cancers can appear hard and insensitive on the outside. However, for those of us who know and love a "Moon Child", we understand that deep below lies a softness and sensitivity that makes them so very special... Life doesn't stand still for this sign, even if they remain in one place, because they live so much in their internal oceans of emotions. Their link with the Moon often makes it impossible for them to operate on an even keel from day to day. Up and down like the proverbial yo-yo, most Cancerians feel one way one minute, then sometimes totally different the next. But this characteristic is part of their charm.
Love and romance matter more than anything else to this sign ...No other sign romances better, equally though, no sign takes it so badly when romance turns sour either. But with their changeable natures Cancerians are fascinating, mysterious, stimulating and extremely alluring. This sign is one of the most magic of all and once their magic has reached you, they are the most beguiling companions. After all, isn't the Moon the most talked about and romantic galactic identity?"
KALYN
By the way, that "special" remark there actually did have an ellipses after it. I thought it was hilarious.
Leo: "Love triumphs over all for this sign, which is ruled by the heart and operates from this dimension too. Leo's are born fortunate. Charismatic and positive-thinking they attract not only an abundance of friends and opportunities, but manage to survive life's stormy times with style and good humour. "
KALYN
She DOES have a shipping wall. So I will agree with that first statement.
And then it says they are devoted and faithful to their relationships. She totally is. And this is interesting. There are three levels of "soul-evolution" for Leos. The Sphinx, the Lion, and the Lion Cub. Nepeta is clearly a Cub. They cling to others and can't bear to be alone.
Virgo is spot on. Like the entire thing. Basically just good-hearted people who are occasionally used by others but who never become cynical because of it. Always
try to do the right thing.
Ummm...caring and compassionate. "Virgos can often become victims of relationship power-games, where they are mistreated. " This totally did happen with Vriska.
Libra totally doesn't fit. It talks more about pursuing the perfect relationship than a sense of justice. I'm quite certain the only thing Terezi inherited from this sign was the picture of scales and their link with JUSTICE.
If you wanna read it to find something that fits her, feel free to click on that lovely link up there.
Scorpio is perfect. Constantly struggling to choose between the power of love and the love of power. All about power and love and the opposition. Scorpios live "fate-filled lives", which fits with her admiration of her...ancestor, I forget what her name was.
It's difficult for others to understand them emotionally because they have contradicting natures (say what they don't mean...) Most scorpios are winners, but their attitudes can get in the way.
Scorpios also have three levels of evolvement. The Scorpion, the Eagle, and the Phoenix Resurrected. Fascinating. She's the scorpion, the least evolved and most drawn toward using power the wrong way. The other two are considerably wiser.
"Although they are intellectually and spiritually advanced, Sagittarians are notorious for their lack of tact." This is the only statement in Sagittarius that made any sense to me in relation the Equius. The rest talk about how adventurous and independent he is and stuff... I don't know all of what goes on in his head, but the description seemed a bit too optimistic to me.
KALYN
So I'm just reading Capricorn right now, and I have goosebumps.
KALYN
"there are two very different types of Capricorns.
The first is represented by the mountain goat, always climbing higher and higher; never content until reaching the top. The second is the garden goat, with little adventurous spirit or ambition-happy to remain within a small domain, refusing to budge unless it is pushed. Either type of Capricorn, however, is patient and persevering. They reach their goals because they know the longest journey commences with a single step and that the first step is always the most difficult. "
KALYN
"Romantically, they desire a permanent relationship with someone who'll give them the affection they crave." Haha. Is this Tavros?
"They have an offbeat sense of humour, which seems to erupt at the most unexpected moments. "
The only thing that seems wrong to me is that everything in this description pertains to business success, which is apparently the motivating factor of the Capricorn's life. Which doesn't seem necessarily true, but could be bent a little to mean his religion thing.
Apparently the element of Aquarius is air. Is that why Eridan's confused about what he wants? Does he want his underwater dwelling friend Fef, or does he have that affinity for air-breathers? Hmmm...
Secret desire: to be unique and original. Explains the hipster getup.
Because this is the Dawning of the Age of Aquarius (the Age of Aquarius!) they are regarded as the leaders and trendsetters of the zodiac, undergoing personal change in their values and what makes them content and happy. "Mind-oriented" individuals "whose thoughts never stop tick-tocking over"...whatever that means.
KALYN
"Their intense ability to live on many mental levels, holds both pain and pleasure for Aquarians. For example, in the American Hall of Fame there are more Aquarians than any other sign, yet statistics reveal that in mental institutions there are more Aquarians than any other sign too. Many extremes can surround this sign and these extremes can take them to both heaven and hell. "
KALYN
Lol
Apparently they're objective, outgoing, and philanthropic. Really?
"Aquarians usually have strong political, environmental or social beliefs. But whether it is a relationship, career or cause - Aquarians are happiest when they have "something" to believe in and nurture." He just wants somebody to love! And then it just goes on about how eccentric and unique they all are.
KALYN
"Mysterious and alluring individuals, most Pisces are extremely talented, but even though they are gifted in many ways, they still manage to spend most of their lives battling "confusing" conditions. Pisces is the sign symbolised by the image of two fish. Their symbol depicts one fish heading upward, the other pulling downward. This mirrors how Pisceans are frequently torn between two pathways in life, or actually do live two very different existences at the same time." This goes along with her royalty and then kind of leaving that life behind. She didn't really want to rule the ocean, did she?
KALYN
"The number 2 is a very powerful number for them." This would explain her attraction to Sollux.
Which I never fully understood to be honest.
Apparently she has a dual nature as well? Which I don't believe. But it pretty much says she could end up leading people as a great leader or entrepreneur or something, or end up in a prison or institution.
"They fantasize about situations, people and particularly romance - and because they spend so much time in their own form of 'fantasy land' this can catch them short in other more worldly areas. Because of this inner world of fantasy, Pisces people seldom perceive whatever is going on around them in its true light. They see life instead as they want to see it, coloring their view of the world in hues and tones far removed from its true reflection. No wonder this is the sign of both miracles and disillusionment." This sounds a little more like Nepeta to me, but I guess it could apply to Fef a little.
KALYN
"One thing that plays havoc with your life is romance. When things romantically are going well for you, you are on cloud nine. When romance turns sour you land in a heap. Pisces often need to take lots of holidays (or time off) to recover from life's many diverse pressures. You are the zodiac's most sensitive sign, so you need to take extra special care of yourself. Nobody can beat you up, as much as you can beat yourself up within your own mind. In your purest form you are psychic, visionary and a guiding light to all who know you. But, in your "out of tune" state, you become depressed, obsessive and confused." To me, this sounds just like her, but more on the positive side. I think she's pretty well-adjusted given the circumstances surrounding her and everyone else.
KALYN
And wow, I totally just spammed you with horoscopes, but there you go. More for the character analysis!
FIGURED OUT ROSE'S AND JOHN'S DENIZENS!
Exploring various pages of the MSPA wikia, and this is one on all the kids. Their WEB BROWSERS on their computers are name after their Denizens!
Dave's is Hephaestus, Jade's is Echidna!
John's is Typheus and Rose's is Cetus!
" TYPHEUS, named after the last son of Gaia who attempted to destroy Zeus. The icon for Typheus is the same as the unspeakably hideous trophy at the ground level of Jade's home." Which I think is referring to that giant worm thing, which I saw on a recent update, but I forget where. " CETUS, a Greek sea monster, daughter of Gaia and Pontus." I'll let you do the research on these two.
KALYN
Dude there is so much information on this site I don't even... Here. mspaintadventures(dot)wikia(dot)com/wiki/Homestuck_Kids
KALYN
You just need to explore this website. There are lots of clues and connections we never noticed before.
By the way, John is spades, Rose is hearts, Dave is clubs and Jade is diamonds.
KALYN
Hey the four humors apply to the kids pretty well too. Each humor (which is a substance found in the body) is assigned an element and some characteristics. John's element is air, which means his substance is blood and his characteristics are "courageous, hopeful, amorous." Dave's element is fire, which means his substance is yellow bile and his characteristics are "easily angered, bad tempered." Which I guess could sort of apply to him, if he's being ironic to mask his emotions. Rose's element is water and her substance is phlegm and her characteristics "calm, unemotional." And finally Jade is associated with earth, black bile, and being "despondent, sleepless, irritable." Irritable with the trolls, sure. But sleepless for sure.
KALYN
This is ancient Greek/Roman ideas that later western european and muslim cultures adopted in their medical practices.
There are also season associated with these. John is spring, Dave summer, Jade autumn, and Rose winter, which seems to be the sort of weather they were having at the start of the comic.
Or maybe it wasn't that. Maybe it was during some flashbacks or something when we saw them. I remember at least seeing Rose in snow at some point.
Maybe it was when they met? Like on Pesterchum or something? Or during some conversation they were reminiscing about? Either way, it totally fits.
You really need to get on and scroll all the way back up to the Gamz/Tav rant and fricken respond to what I am saying!
I'll start on Rose's and John's denizens. Rose's is Cetus. It's a sea monster. Depicted as serpentine fish in Greek art. There is hardly any information on this one other than it's name (ketos) means "huge fish." I guess it could have been the fish that swallowed Jonah in the Bible. Cetus has been used as a ships name or a maidenhead to show that the men sailing it are unafraid of the sea. Usually pirates. Also viewed as a bad omen or misfortune by sailors. Believed to be the bringer of a great storm or misfortune to the ship. That's pretty much all I got on Cetus. I don't even know if it's male or female. More of an animal, really.
KALYN
Typheus was hard to find, since there is no Typheus other than the one in MSPA. It's actually named after Typhon. So here we go with that one. This is important: his wife was Echidna. He was the last son of Gaia and the most deadly monster of Greek mythology, but also the father of all monsters, just like Echidna was the mother. " His human upper half reached as high as the stars. His hands reached east and west and, instead of a human head, he had a hundred dragon heads; some however depict him as having a human head and the dragon heads being attached to his hands instead of fingers. He was feared even by the mighty gods. His bottom half was gigantic viper coils that could reach the top of his head when stretched out and made a hissing noise. His whole body was covered in wings, and fire flashed from his eyes." This guy was pretty terrifying.
KALYN
"Typhon attempts to destroy Zeus at the will of Gaia, because Zeus had imprisoned the Titans. Typhon initially overcame Zeus in their first battle, and tore out Zeus' sinews. However, Hermes recovered the sinews and restored them to Zeus. Typhon was finally defeated by Zeus, who trapped him underneath Mount Etna." I bet he's pretty bitter about that. If John finds him, I imagine he would be pretty angry. Also, it would make sense if John had to find him in a mountain.
KALYN
Echidna was also his niece, and it goes into detail about all the monsters he fathered with her. They're probably all the same though. There's a whole thing about his fight with Zeus, and different accounts of where he ended up. ". Typhon is thus the chthonic figuration of volcanic forces, as Hephaestus (Roman Vulcan) is their "civilized" Olympian manifestation." That's an interesting connection with another Denizen. Here's where the wind thing makes sense: "Typhon is also the father of hot dangerous storm winds which issue forth from the stormy pit of Tartarus, according to Hesiod." Sounds kinda like the situation in that planet John's on!
KALYN
He's associated with storms, mainly typhoons, which makes total sense. That's mostly what I found on him.
NOW IT'S YOUR TURN TO ANSWER EVERYTHING I HAVE PRESENTED TO YOU! Come on! This is fascinating stuff! There's so much more to just the kids too, like their connection to Tarot cards! There's a lot of stuff here!
Oh, reading back, apparently Cetus was a girl. So ther eou go.
You're on?
You tease. I saw you typing!
JESSICA
It is very fascinating, I just have to read it all! lol and I know I'm a tease *smug smile*
KALYN
Let me know your thoughts as you read through it. Like...just comment whenever something comes to mind as you're reading.
KALYN
mspaintadventures(dot)wikia(dot)com/wiki/Ancestors
mspaintadventures(dot)wikia(dot)com/wiki/Lusus
These are very informative.
To keep from interrupting you're reading (if you actually are), I will continue to type what I have to say without sending. Aradia had voices of the dead speaking to her in her head, right? At least while she was a ghost, she might have before/after that though. Sollux has voices too though. Weren't they voices of people who were GOING to die? Or something close to that. I read on this wikia site that trolls lower on the caste system were more likely to have psychic powers, so it makes sense for Aradia and Sollux to have that. I wonder if Tavros had any sort of psychic abilities. I don't think Karkat did though. I think he's actually considered a mutant, his blood color sort of excludes him from the hemospectrum so he's not even on the caste system. Which explains why he has so much self-loathing, he doesn't feel like he even belongs.
I didn't notice this before, but Vriska and Kanaya have matching horns. One of them anyway. They each have a horn that's bent down (Vriska's right and Kanaya's left). Just found it interesting.
After reading the Lusus page, it struck me that Gamzee seemed to be the only high-blooded troll with a true sense of compassion, at least in the way he trusted his lusus and comforted it as it died. I kind of wish his lusus was around more often though. He seemed to really care about it.
Feferi doesn't count in that whole comparison. She's kind of an exception to every rule.
JESSICA
Caught up on Homestuck, now to get caught up on this x.x
KALYN
Cool. Feel free to replay sporadically! If you're messaging is anything like mine, it may help to have two windows open, one for reading, one for responding! That way you won't have to scroll.
The Wanderers is by far the coolest Homestuck soundtrack.
JESSICA
I need to be taking freaking notes while I read all of this! There's just way too much!
KALYN
I know, I know. I got excited in your absence. There's still more out there that I didn't mention.
JESSICA
Ok, the Hephaestus stuff, cool. I always like learning about Greek Gods. Ummm... Other than the whole exile how does it correlate though? Echidna, lol, yeah. I think she would totally look like that.
You are evil
And half of it wouldn't show for me at the time anyway
KALYN
Half wouldn't show? Sorry. I know. Curse me to the Heavens after you've read it all and discussed it with me. 0:)
JESSICA
now it does though
gah! Emily's messaging me
KALYN
me too.
JESSICA
I think i'm going to cry
There's just too much
i'll power through, but I have to keep finding my place again
I'm not going on vacation ever again...or at least not until Homestuck is over!
Oh, and I thought flipped out at the GamzeexTavros thing.
I think that is just common practice for Gamz though. Inviting people to sloppy makeout sessions
Also, the Green Sun could totally be 2D, whoever says it can't be?
KALYN
Hey I know you really don't wanna hear from me after everything, but this is interesting. Someone pointed out in a review that John (DeadJohn in the clippings) gave Vriska (DeadVriska) a jacket while they were in his yard in the snow. The same jacket she's been wearing the entire series. Do you think they had the same jacket, that it's just a weird memory/dream bubble thing, or that somehow she got this jacket a long time ago from this whole deal? Sort of like when John's gift to Jade was sent back to when she was a little girl, and it sparked her interest in growing pumpkins rather than helping her hobby along.
KALYN
Food for thought!
Because you need more.
Speaking of Gamzee's habit of make-out invitations, I think the other time was supposed to be from Terezi...but from him. I think he intended it to be from Terezi...like...God, this makes no sense. He wrote it, but under Terezi's speech habits, so it seemed like it was from her. Like maybe he just wanted Karkat and Terezi to get some lovin. While he just stood there, watching like a creep.
