Where everything you know about Teen Wolf is backwards and a little bit broken. Derek and his sister Laura are werewolf hunters, Stiles is a werewolf who had been mistreated by his pack, the Argent Pack.

Sequel to Takahiro Finds Out. Misaki is pregnant and watch as the drama unfolds. MPREG. Update: Now that he has the baby, you might think the drama is over. Well it's not. Definitely not. Mostly Usagi/Misaki with some Egoist and appearances by Terrorist.

Alec only wants one thing - Magnus Bane to acknowledge his existence. M for later lemons

All the couples are switched around, but not body switching; AU where Misaki is rich, Usagi is flunking, Hiroki is a poor student, Nowaki is already a doctor, Miyagi is a high school student and Shinobu is a college teacher. LEMONS!

The SIH Nostalgia addition to Cerberus Revised's wonder hit "The Uke Flu." Even though Onodera and Takano have a baby on the way, can they put aside their past baggage in order to make a new future? Also featuring Yuu and Hisashi from the fic "Always." COMPLETE!

"Promise me," Dagda choked out, drawing his last breaths, "promise me that you will find me - whatever life - whatever time - promise me, and - and we'll see it all to - together…" "I will," Tegan whispered, pressing his lips against Dagda's, "I will, I swear I'll find you, no matter how long it will take, I swear…" AU, SLASH, RATED M FOR A REASON

Months after the Nogitsune incident, things have calmed down and Stiles finds himself falling into a severe depression. When another supernatural explosion wrecks havoc in Beacon Hills, Stiles finds himself trapped in Derek's loft with Scott and Isaac. Why is Derek the only one who sees his pain? WARNING! CUTTING! RAPE! MALE SEX! I'M NOT SORRY!

A mysterious new person moves into Beacon Hills, but he's not causing much trouble. In fact, he's been, strangely, rather helpful to Stiles ever since he was kicked out of the pack after a night of passion with a certain alpha. Derek and the pack, have been avoiding him like the plague ever since and just when Stiles needed someone the most. Full summary inside! I own nothing!

[TFTIU #5] "How about we make some shadow puppets?"

With Derek out wooing himself a prime pack mate, faeries figure out that Beacon Hills is the top stop to frolic. Things only gets worse when Stiles tries to help. Apparently even the fair folk have heard of the Spark of Beacon Hills, the emissary and now they wish to give him a gift.

Sequel to Marked but can be read as a stand alone (though not recommended). After a few strange events that result in Derek and Stiles becoming mates, Stiles' body starts to go through a few strange changes. Will Stiles and Derek be able to work out the situation they have gotten themselves into? Alpha/Omega dynamics (Not a mpreg but the sequel of this will be)

Derek and Stiles move forward with having a family, but not without bumps along the way. Also Stiles has secrets that bubble to the surface causing strife. Sequel to Unwillingly Willing but can be read as a standalone. (Mpreg)

Stiles really likes to talk, and sometimes Derek just wants to shut him up. [My first full fic ever, reviews are welcomed and appreciated!]

When Stiles was eight, he had panic attacks. He would sleep walk, block by block going further until he finally reached the woods. When Derek was thirteen he found some brat in the woods, asleep on a rock. They fall in love.

Derek had a fucking type and it was pale, skinny guys with impossible cheekbones and chucks. And this guy... he was all of that. All of that and, jesus f*cking christ, how were his hands a real thing? Who had fingers like that? Was that f*cking legal?

Stiles has had a crush on Derek for the past six years but they're friends and it's not like Derek would care for Stiles, but then suddenly Derek is cursed so he can hear everyone's thoughts. Stiles has a brilliant idea on how to be near Derek without him finding out what really goes through Stiles mind. [Canon verse, all alive except Derek's family.]

'I loved the summer. For me, it was one of the best times of the year...sometimes. It was a time of no school, sun, fun, relaxing, my birthday! But, it was also the time when my mom passed away It was hard at first – really hard.' So, the Beacon Hills Pack go on a holiday, and someone takes an interest in Stiles! But will Derek act quick enough when it starts to get out of hand!

Little did Stiles know that he was bit by a werewolf who marked him as his mate. Now Stiles had to figure out who this werewolf was that wanted his virginity and try to attend school with the full moon only weeks away...

Newly turned Stiles starts experiencing unexpected changes to his body and a need he's never fathomed before. Or the one where Derek turns Stiles, and Stiles goes in to heat. Derek interrupts Stiles and his "monster" toy. Stiles gets a satisfying conclusion. So does Derek. Stiles/Derek, yoai, lemons, slash - 1st Installment of the 'Purely Wanton' Trilogy

What if Stiles was the same age as Derek when he started to fall for Kate. What if Stiles befriended the wolves without knowing what they were. What if Stiles became Laura's best friend. What if on their way to find each other they fell in love. -Or- The one where I wanted everyone alive and happy. So I aged up Stiles and changed the story a bit.

It was just another Pack bonding session thing.. It all started with just one innocent little question from Isaac, and it ended with one of Stiles' secrets being blabbed to the rest of the Pack... And Derek... Who the secret is about. Stiles panics and leaves, but will Derek just leave it at that, or will he go after the 'mouthy teen, who has ADHD, and has the title of Pack Mom?

Stiles and Scott are pretty average high school students, although things change over a weekend for Stiles when Derek Hale, arrested and held for a year in jail for a crime he didn't commit is set free. Stiles becomes unwillingly a part of Derek's life by helping him solve the mystery of who murdered the people in town. Stiles also begins to unwillingly depend on Derek for comfort.

The first time Derek and Stiles made love…things did not go exactly as planned.

When Stiles wakes up on his eighteenth birthday from a chaste dream about Derek Hale he doesn't think it's a big deal. But when he wakes up the next few days to the same dream, he knows something is going on. And he's going to get to the bottom of it. Once is an incident, twice is a coincidence, and three times is a pattern. More than three is just torture.

The one where Stiles is mistakenly led to believe that Derek thinks he stinks and Derek just wants to mate with him. *sexytimes* *sterek*

Everyone but Stiles, Derek and Peter go away for Christmas. Stiles feels bad for Derek and Peter so while they are gone on a run Stiles drops of some care packages for them for Christmas. Derek and Peter decide to return the favor when they find out the Sherriff gets called away on a murder case Christmas Eve. Sterek...no threesome or anything.

It's summertime, and Peter has convinced Derek that it's a good time for pack bonding. Scott drags Stiles along with him each day, despite the complaints from Stiles. One day, Stiles skips out and finds that a new pack has entered Beacon Hills. But he doesn't quite get the chance to tell the pack...

Slow buildup to some serious Sterek action. Three seasons in the making, they should have seen it coming. Smut, angst, love, death, passion- you name it. Love to hear what you think.

"Right foot, blue!" Allison calls out. Derek groans, raising an eyebrow slightly as Stiles' butt hits his face. He's really beginning to regret condoning this so called 'Pack Games Night'. —Derek/Stiles and a ton of pack feels.

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It took him two weeks to text Derek.

Just some Sterek smut at high school. PWP, teacher!Derek, student!Stiles, HighschoolAU, established relationship.

"You need to make a list!" Scott tells him. "Pros and cons. Of sleeping with Derek." "Oh, how very 'Ross and Rachel'."

(AU) - Stiles is Cupid himself, born from the very Aphrodite herself. The god of sex, lust, and love. It's 2013, Valentine's day, and he is done for the year. He needs a break. After going into a bar and having one too many drinks he decides to seduce the gorgeous guy he has been talking to. What's the worst that could happen? - Sterek. (Extra Ch: Scisaac)

Hiroki gets in an accident and becomes pregnant. Warning: mpreg (obviously).

Stiles is alone in this world. His family was killed when he was eight and all his life he is hunted by the killer. Part of him wants to just die. Derek never chose to have a cold heart, but life chose it for him. Having your family burned alive by someone you loved would do that to you. When hopeless Stiles pops in Derek's life, will the Alpha open his cold heart? Omega!Stiles AU

Stiles' pack is killed, so he moves in Beacon Hills for safety reasons with his parents. His mother is killed a while later and Stiles becomes an alpha himself, so Derek decides it's best if he helps Stiles. Warnings: YAOI (guy x guy), Sterek, M for later chapters, were!Stiles, mPreg. Don't like it? Don't read this. Summary sucks, yay

Scott has gone on a holiday and Stiles is stuck with Derek, doing some research when things get really out of hands. Warnings: slash, first time, angst, fluff, hurt/comfort, pwp (?), takes place somewhere in season 3 but no major spoilers!, unbeta-ed

Stiles' body is having a reaction from being attacked by an unknown creature in the woods. At first, he felt like he was on fire, but now he's horny as hell, and trapped in a car with Derek. Derek's POV.

Derek has had enough of jacking of to Stiles, so when the small boy comes over right in the middle of it Derek takes his chance. Everything is consensual, slight domination

Ever envisioned a pregnant Nowaki? Here's your chance to see it. Even if you don't like MPREG, you might like this. At least that's what my reviewers say. Egoist MPREG and AU: All three Junjou Romantica couples to appear. Cameos by other yaoi anime/manga couples. Rated "M" for adult themes and situations. (ON INDEFINITE HIATUS)

When Stiles disappointed his father, again, he decides the world would be better without him. Derek disagrees. Written for the Sterek Campaign for chasingshadows.

OneShot: How did he end up in his jeep with a really horny Derek? This can't be his life.

AU focusing totally on Stiles and Derek. No other characters will be seen...at least I don't think so. Stiles finds himself in a secret werewolf community to participate in a mating run. Sterek happens. Side OC's. Warnings inside.

Stiles had a plan - get Scott a place in Derek's pack - and it worked. However, with every action there are consequenses, and now Stiles has to face them. (Second in the Stupid 'verse)

Stiles always wants to look at what he's told to stay away from. So why should this be any different? Maybe because it ends up with him in bed with Derek! ;) happy accidents.

Derek at long last finally musters up his courage, after much pressing from Laura, to finally approach the kissing booth that his high school crush was currently occupying by sheer luck-But of course, something...or rather someone gets in the way. Can Derek get to Stiles before it's too late? AU!No Hale Fire!

Stiles didn't know because Derek never told him. Of all the things he said, those were words he couldn't utter. Because admitting that, admitting how completely gone he was for Stiles, would leave Derek with no way out.

Some of Stiles' family come to visit him and John. He made sure no werewolf allowed near his house for the entire week so he could relax, but of course, that never happens. (Or the one where Scott never pays attention and they finally get to meet actual Cousin Miguel along with a couple more of Stiles' relatives and the pack realizes they don't know much about Stiles than they real

Stiles wakes up to a hot guy in his bed and an ugly-ass ring on his finger.

Derek didn't know what to call whatever was going on between him and Stiles. Maybe it's nothing. Maybe it's just screwing. Never mind that they haven't actually screwed. It's sexting. That's all it can ever be. Stiles is just too damn young. And when did Peter die and come back as Derek's gay fairy godmother?

Magnus has become completely infatuated with a school mate of his; Alexander Lightwood-star of the football team and brother of the most hottest person in the school. He decides to make the blue eyed beauty his, but Magnus didnt realize that it might mean Alexander will have to see a side of him he was ashamed of. Rated M for yaoi, AU.

Stiles gets more than he bargained for when a select bunch take interest in him at his new boarding school. Alternate Universe. Derek/Stiles Isaac/Stiles

"You better be worth the damage you're going to cause," Derek told him. "I'm always worth it."

Stiles is left reeling after Derek rejects him, but he guesses he'll make it through. And anyway, things have a way of coming full-circle in the end.

Sitting in a car for 3 hours isn't really good for someone with ADHD and Derek just wants to be boring. So Stiles takes matters into his own hands...literally.

When Stiles' dad is killed by a werewolf, his entire world comes crumbling down. The only one who can help him is Derek Hale, but will Stiles let him, or will he seek his revenge on Derek and his pack?

Prompt from thefruitcakeninjiassecretblo g on Tumblr: Stiles and Derek are not in an open relationship with their pack or anyone yet but everyone has their suspicions...More info inside. Story is better than summary, I promise. Characters or OOC and Mild Slash. Don't like, Don't read. That simple. This was rushed so that is why it's not as great as it could be.

Derek and Stiles are living together now but still not together, a short ficlet from their time as roommates. Part of Five Times Derek Growled At Stiles

Magnus isn't fond of water, so when it just so happens to be surrounding his house...well, it's not his favorite situation to be in. He's got a lovely blue eyed shadowhunter to keep him distracted though.

Stiles search of knowledge gets him into trouble, and Derek is forced to acknowledge the truth.

Scott asks Derek to keep an eye on Stiles, promising that he'll be part of his pack in return. A silent vigil beneath Stiles' window quickly turns into something else when Derek senses that something's wrong with the teen.

It's all good, though, because as soon as Stiles graduate he'll go away, and probably never come back, and his wolf will let go of the illusion that Stiles means anything more to him than an easy fuck.

Stiles has an accident that leaves him almost on the brink of death. The pack barely getting to him. Basically, this story is about Stiles not realizing how important he is to the pack and the pack has to let him know. Especially when they almost lose him. Implied Sterek, but mainly puppy pile.: First actual fanfic, so any criticism is recommended.

In the middle of a conflict between an old hunting family and the Beacon Hills pack, a witch comes along to stir things up even more and leaves Stiles with amnesia. Now Stiles thinks he's two years younger, has no idea about the werewolves or about how dark and brooding Derek Hale is his mate, and he only has a week to learn everything before he has to negotiate a treaty. Sterek.

Stiles forgets. The werewolves, the pack, everything that happened in the past two years. Even his mother's death. But the pack is there for him, Derek is there for him. They'll try and help him remember, but Stiles has to wonder, is it even worth remembering? Smutty, angsty, fluffy, all of it

Some people from Derek's life before the show come to visit and none of the pack are happy about it, especially when one of them starts picking on Stiles. Part of the Growling 'Verse.

Being bitten had never been on his to-do list, but he could deal with that. Helping Derek Hale become a competent Alpha, though, that was so not in his job description.

Stiles is woken up by a series of texts that he finds very annoying, after getting to the Hale house he is met with a black swirling pit of doom and garbage He decides to have a little fun and tease Derek whilst he cleans. Sterek Smut/lemony goodness

Sterek. When bodies start piling up in Beacon Hills the pack has to take on a succubus. When things go wrong Stiles finds himself banned from the pack. Warnings for non/dubious consent.

AU all-human Sterek. Stiles was the teacher. Derek was the student. And Stiles just really, really wanted to rip off all of Derek's clothes and lick off that horribly sexy scowl. He didn't though, because he was a teacher and responsible and proper. But then Laura asked for his help with Derek and there was no way this could end anyway but badly.

Sterek. Prompt fill. Starts when Stiles goes to buy condoms for Scott at a gas station and runs into Derek. Follows the course of Stiles and Derek's relationship. Set about 2 years after series start Coda to 2x06 ish.

Stiles doesn't understand why Derek hasn't offered him the bite the way he did with Erica and the others. When Derek asks if Stiles really wants to be offered the way he offered it to Erica, and Stiles says yes, Derek has a little fun at Stiles' expense, but might get more than he bargained for. Stiles POV. Sterek. Request from kasienkanikki, who is awesome for thinking of this.

It started out as a fantasy. A sexy, naughty, cover-little-children's-eyes, make-adults-turn-their-heads-in-disgust sort of act. It was Alec's dirty little secret, something he didn't ever EVER want Magnus to find out about. Too bad for him that Magnus was never one to just sit back and wait for answers to come to him… Though it's not like Alec's complaining. Dom!Magnus Sub!Alec

"Have you ever heard about payback. Derek? You probably have. Well," He says, voice already a wavering wreck. His hand goes for his clothed erection, heel pressing down. He sighs, then moans at the sensation of the zipper digging in. "Payback's a bitch, Derek."

Takano and Ritsu places a bet. If Takano wins, Ritsu has to start dating Takano again, If Ritsu wins, he demands that Takano stop bothering him. Read more of summary in chapter...romance and hurt/comfort for later chapters.

Sequel to Feel Me, Completer, set a year later. Sterek.

After the pool incident, Derek decides that the only way to be sure he can trust Stiles, the only way to be sure he can keep Stiles safe...is to bring him into the pack. What he doesn't expect is for Stiles to wake up before he can bite him, thinking he is having the best dream of his life. StilesXDerek. First time. COMPLETE in 2 parts.

Stiles goes looking for his mate in the woods as Derek's running with the others but things take a turn of the weird leaving Stiles running for his life with surivival rules going through his head and Derek playing chase. Only instincts get the better of Derek and he bites his mate. How will Stiles react to being bitten when he turned it down before?

Porny Ideas that dont fit anywhere else...

It's taken a while, this more playful side of Derek, the one more likely to relax and have a joke, the one less burdened with guilt and despair. Like he's taking strength from his pack to overcome the death of his family.

Magnus Bane, a telephone operator for romantic troubles, is stuck training the new kid; Alexander Lightwood. But working this closely with someone like like Magnus, Alec finds it hard to pay attention to his job. Rated M for lemons

35-year-old Kisa Shouta never expected the handsome stranger he met at a bar to be the famous author Yukina Kou. Soon, he finds himself falling for the man and begins to evade him. However, Yukina won't let him go that easily. AU

"Alec...Alec Lightwood" I shook his hand "Nice to meet you…I'm Magnus Bane" and for the first time I could see his small smile and I was sure that with that, that wimpy dark kid had stolen me forever. AU Malec.

"There's something wrong with me. When did I become so twisted inside?" Kaoru comes to realize that his feelings for his brother are not normal. Not knowing what else to do, he runs away. Will Hikaru find him before it's too late?

What happens when Misaki agrees to let Usagi help him babysit Mahiro? well, nothing good can come out of it, especially when Takahiro comes home after Misaki has a nightmare... my first UsagiXMisaki Lemon. I know, stupid title, couldnt think of anything. A request for my best friend Lizzie-chan!

Derek was in an accident and has been at the Beacon Hills Long-Term Care hospital for almost a year. He doesn't remember anything. But there's an odd, quirky boy that has been there since day one for him... even though he's a werewolf. Sterek AU.

Finally the twins are born and Wolfram and Yuuri get to enjoy their lives with their children. COMPLETE

A series of one shots or short stories that show how the pack interacts during Holidays. It's a companion piece to another one of my stories called Slow Burn. Some of these are more adult themed than others.

They've been doing this dance for years. Or so it seems. Circling round one another till they're both dizzy and can't see straight. Derek/Stiles

Magnus falls for the new kid the first moment he sees him. Will the new kid feel the same? First FanFic, I will try my best at side pairings. M/A, J/C, I/S. R&R. BoyxBoy, don't like don't read.

Takano-san wonders if maybe fate had something special in mind when it entangled their lives. He counts his blessings, and he remembers the things that even Onodera has forgotten over time. Drabble-Collaboration with Chappy-the-Bunny!

There always are things that can be predicted and things which can't be. What if an unpredictable misunderstanding causes more harm than one could think possible? Can the relationship withstand it? Mpreg, non-con

10 Word Random Word Generator Challenge. Little snippets into Derek & Stiles' life in the Growling 'Verse.

Tsuzuki/Hisoka. Lemon, Mpreg. Strange new powers come into play, as well as strange new urges, when Tsuzuki comes into his demon heritage. Full summary inside.

Soubi believed his heart was completely frozen, incapable of love, unwilling to love. But Fate was about to prove him wrong. Yaoi, shouta, AU

"It's just a minor cold. Don't worry, I'll be fine." Words hold great power over people, especially when they come from someone beloved.

Summary: A collection of one-shots. I'm putting it as complete since each story can stand on its own. Chapter 6: Wolfram is having a craving. MPREG/TOY

"That guy looks a lot like you, Hikaru," Haruhi said surprised and pointed at the boy that had just entered the classroom. Hikaru stopped his conversation with his friends and turned his head to look at the guy who had just entered. YAOI boyXboy

Derek is in Stiles' Room when he returns home from school, but what if Danny was sick that day at school and didn't meet Stiles at his house for the school project? Here's what I think would have happened.

Stiles stays at Derek's house one night, and he doesn't realize just how much trouble he gets into when he walks around in the dark. Slash, bottom!Stiles, top!Derek. First time.

Hikaru has 24 hours to do the dreadful dare that he have been given by his brother. Kaoru have threatened by moving out of their shared bedroom if Hikaru can't do it gasp , but there is also a reward if he CAN do it. YAOI: BoyXBoy - twincest

After a night of drunken antics, Derek & Stiles start to confront their feelings. Rating Changed. Slash. Stiles/Derek. Complete/Hibernating.

Derek's done ignoring his feelings. He wants Stiles. Unfortunately, his actions make Stiles stutter. A lot. That's okay though, because Derek likes it. SLASH.

Yuuri finds himself engaged to politics while Wolfram has troubles of his own. Wolfyuu. Post Season 2. Plenty of plot, politics, and porn. COMPLETE.

Ritsuka lost Soubi and his brother in a battle to the death. Ritsuka is now own his own. Not only that..He became a blank fighter! What will Ritsuka do with his abusive sacrifice? What will he do if Soubi just appears out of no where? PLEASE READ&REVIEW!

Back in Japan, Wolfram has his first experience of public transport, bringing him a Yuuri much closer together. A little OOC.

Who knew that Wolfram's temper could be so...sexy. WxY One shot.

The future is here! American's have made a drug that gives men the power to have children, and Usagi and Misaki want to try it out! But, an event takes place that leaves a pregnant Misaki out on his own.

AU-ish. After Wolfram loses his memory, he must reincorporate himself into life at Blood Pledge Castle. But King Yuuri only draws him into the life that he once had. Birthday fic for Airknitter. Yuuram. Yuuri/OC briefly. M just in case.

Ritsuka is kidnapped, and put up for auction. Who is his new owner? And will everything turn out okay? While Seimei searches for the neko, Ritsuka develops some new feelings.Rated M for future content.Pairings and full summary inside.Read for more info.

Kaoru's missing, Hikaru finds him, but is he the same as when he disappeared? Warnings : Yaoi, Twincest, Kittehs! MPreg!

Miyagi, an art teacher, meets a boy sketching in the park. Astounded by the drawing, he invites him to private lessons at his home. Although, the boy has a special condition, which will change Miyagi's view on the world forever. Junjou Terrorist AU.

Misaki and Usagi love each other. But what if something happened to Usagi-san? What would happen to them?

A boy, who wasn't very close to many people, meets a man during his summer vacation. He finds himself visiting him every day, learning to play piano, and many other things as they grow closer together. Junjo Romantica AU. Rating subject to change.

American scientists have created a drug that gives men the ability to concieve and give birth to children. Takes place in the future, when all the Ukes have kids;

To help his ill mother, Misaki marries into the wealthy Usami family. With having to keep the fact he's a boy a secret and having to deal with his dour husband, Misaki has a lot on his shoulders. Akihiko/Misaki, Mpreg, AU

Takahiro accidentally sees Misaki and Usagi in an alley. Then Takahiro starts seeing gay people everywhere he goes. This is essentially what would happen if I was writing the third season. COMPLETE...FINALLY

Yuri calls of the engagement leaving Wolfram devastated, but when Wolfram spends the night in his own room the unspeakable happens. Yuri wants to bring the culprit to justice as an apology to Wolfram, but how can that happen if Wolfram won't speak? Rape

What do you get when you mix Anissina, a plan to get Yuuri and Wolfram together, a truth serum, and an aphrodisiac? Well, read and find out!

Annisina’s inventions go awry and Wolfram undergoes unbearable heat. Yuuri is the only one who can save him, but will he?

Yuuri unintentionally passes Wolfram a parasite from Earth, and takes it upon himself to nurse him back to health. Wolfyuu/Yuuram. Now M as promised.

what will happen to the egoist's relationship when nowaki was cheating, junjou romantica: FIN junjou egoist: Half way

It's the middle of the night, Clary hears some private things coming from Alec's bed...

Seven years ago, Wolfram had been kidnapped from the castle, held against his will in isolation. After all this time, what has Yuri been up to? Has he remarried, or is he still looking for him? YuurixWolfram

Ritsuka is 18 and the only one of his friends that still has his ears. One weekend Soubi invites him to join him at the cabin he owns and Ritsuka accepts reluctantly. Rated for coarse language and the possibility of becoming a lemon in the last chapter.

Ritsuka just met Soubi and wants to get to know him... but not in the way Soubi has in mind. WARNING: Rape, Yaoi and Mature Themes. Don't read if you don't like.

A little over a hundred years ago, Alec and Magnus were together. When the unthinkable happens, Magnus makes the choice to find Alec again in the future. But when he finally finds him, will it still be the same? Don't own it, etc. Alec/Magnus.

Ritsuka and Soubi has been together for years, but their relationship still hasn't gone in 'that' direction. If anything, Soubi seems more distant now than when Ritsuka was twelve...