"You mean like how your dream centers around having Batman kill the Joker? Doesn't seem like you've managed to break away from the family either."

"Heh, that's only part of the plan. Everyone has a dream. Most of the fuckers running around this place, just wants to be famous for killing the Bat. Not like Joker would let them live long, if they ever managed to come close."

"Why do you say that?"

"He wants to see the Batman lose control. He thinks the best punch line is seeing the hero slowly become the same as the monsters he fights."