"Speaking of which. What can you tell me about your nephew?" "Ah yes. When I took him in, my own Jedi Order had only been around for 16 years. I also offered to train Jaina and Leia the ways of the Jedi."
"Jaina AND Leia?" "Yes. Jaina has some semblance of force sensitivity. Only she prefers to become… An 'adventure merchant' as she calls it like her father. I'm not sure what she meant by that either. I myself trained Leia a few tricks before she decided to pursue a career of politics. When it came to training Ben, Han was… Han about it. But Leia… Trusted me with her son. I thought that if I taught him along with my own son, that I can turn them into prodigal Jedi."
"Leia never told me you had a son." "She must've figured that the loss of her own son was devastating enough. But yes, I had both a wife and a son. Mara Jade, and Jacen respectively. I met Mara a year after Endor, she too was strong in the force, and we had Jacen around the same time Han and Leia had Ben and Jaina." "What happened to them all?"
"In the five years I trained the boys along with dozens of other students, I noticed how aggressive Ben was in training, and how reckless he was. He even almost killed a few students in sparring lessons. *this is where the flashback begins (also, the temple in the flashback's on Yavin)* And then… One night, I decided to confront his inner darkness. And I saw terrible things in his mind. I was startled to turn my lightsaber on and off almost instantaneously. But Ben heard it and brought his quarters down on top of me. He must've thought I was dead. When I came to, I saw that the temple was burning. Me and Artoo scoured the temple for survivors. But we found none except for the students that Ben took with him." "And Mara and Jacen?" "...They were among the bodies…" *flashback ends*
"Before Ben and his followers left, I heard them calling themselves the Knights of Ren, I figured it must be an allusion to Ajunta Pall's old master, the master of the first Jedi to become a Sith lord. Either way, I let Ben fall to the dark side, kill all my students, including his aunt and cousin, all because I was too arrogant to believe that I can repeat the mistakes of the past, and so was the rest of the galaxy. They too thought I can do no wrong with my status as a legend."
"The galaxy may need a legend. I need to know my place in all of this. And you didn't fail Kylo. He failed you. I won't. He sought to become as powerful as Vader. I don't." "It all makes so much sense… I tell Ben about his grandfather, he wanted to follow in his footsteps, regardless of the costs…" "Even if I want to redeem him, and build yet another Jedi order, some other dark being will tear it all down again two years from now, three years, 10 years, 16, it doesn't matter. Darkness and light will continuously rise up to destroy each other, and let themselves and the galaxy suffer for it."