GT25's Versus Series: Fiends vs. Apes
Hello, and welcome to the Versus Series. In this series, we will compare warriors from across the many universes of all forms of fiction and analyze their weapons, armor, and x-factors to see who would win in a hypothetical battle. For this installment, we will compare two warriors who have control of land after nuclear war with the Fiends of the Mojave Wasteland and the Apes from the original Planet of the Apes. For this installment, we will take the Fiends during the events of Fallout: New Vegas and the Apes during the events of Beneath the Planet of the Apes with additional information provided from their respective universes. As these warriors aren't as well known from outside of their universes, I will provide a brief summary to ensure everyone is on the same page.
History of the Warriors
In the Mojave Wasteland, the people from Vault 3 were forced to seek out assistance once the water system started leaking and flooding the lower levels. However, they came across a gang of deadly raiders who would become known as Fiends who took advantage of the naivety of the vault dwellers. The raiders, lead by a man called Motor-Runner, would con the people into letting them into Vault 3 where they slaughter all the inhabitants to take the place as a safe haven. After they had taken the vault, they would steadily grow stronger and claim a large part of the southwestern New Vegas conurbation. Despite being hostile to all those around them, the Fiends were more than willing to work with another raider group known as the Great Khans who supply their fellow raiders with the chems they're addicted to. Much like other raider groups, the Fiends often are in small war parties which allow them to operate in the large territory that they control in the wasteland.
After the human race caused nuclear war, those that remained would become either primitive humans who are unable to speak or mutants who would reside under the remains of New York City. However, this would allow the Apes of the world to evolve and become the dominant race who would control parts of the Earth by the year 3978. As they establish their own city, the Apes would split into groups with the gorillas serving as the military while the orangutans took control of politics and chimpanzees doing science and medicine. Hunting the now primitive humans for sport, they would be forbidden from entering the Forbidden Zone though they would eventually invade the zone. Having to head to where the mutant humans reside, the Apes would enter the remains of the New York City Subway and would succeed in taking the subway. However, an astronaut from the past would set off the Alpha-Omega nuclear missile in the subway and result in all life on the planet being destroyed.
Close Range
Caravan Shotgun (Fiends): The Caravan Shotgun is a double barreled shotgun in an 'over-and-under' configuration that appears to be sawed down and operates on a break action system. This shotgun makes use of 20-gauge shells with the weapon having both barrels being able to hold a single shell each. The Caravan Shotgun most likely has a length of 28.63 inches and possibly weighs 4.5 pounds with a possible range of 20 meters.
Ape Handgun (Apes): The Ape Handgun is a type of double-action revolver that is housed in a wooden shell which was used by the Apes as their sidearm in battle. This revolver most likely has a five-shot cylinder that holds the .38 Special round with it possibly being loaded via a hinged gate on the right side of the frame to load and eject the rounds. The Ape Handgun most likely has a length of 6.5 inches and possibly weighs 1.22 pounds with a possible range of 23 meters.
Verdict: The Ape Handgun gets the edge. While the Caravan Shotgun has the larger round of the two and is quicker to reload, the Ape Handgun is shorter by 22.13 inches and lighter by 3.28 pounds. In addition, the handgun has three more rounds in its cylinder and slightly longer range by three meters.
Medium Range
American 180 (Fiends): The American 180, called the Silenced .22 SMG, is a type of submachine gun with an integrated suppressor that was used in the Mojave Wasteland and operates on a blowback system with an open bolt. This submachine gun fires the .22 Long Rifle round with the weapon having a hundred eighty round detachable pan magazine. This version of the American 180 most likely has a length of 25.5 inches and possibly weighs 10 pounds with a possible range of 100 meters.
Madsen M-50 (Apes): The Madsen M-50 is a type of submachine gun that is used by the Apes in a wooden shell around the actual gun and operates on a blowback system with an open bolt. This submachine gun most likely fires the 9x19mm Parabellum round with the weapon having a thirty-two round detachable box magazine. The Madsen M-50 most likely has a length of 31.3 inches and weighs 6.9 pounds with a range of 100 meters.
Verdict: The American 180 gets the edge. Despite the Madsen M-50 being lighter by 3.1 pounds and firing the larger of the two rounds, the American 180 was shorter by 5.8 inches and has a hundred forty-eight more rounds in its larger pan magazine. Along with this, its integrated suppressor would enable the user to use it in ambushes or when firing from a hidden position.
Long Range
Cowboy Repeater (Fiends): The Cowboy Repeater is a type of rifle that is a common weapon used by many groups in the Mojave Wasteland and operates on a lever action mechanism. This rifle fires the .357 Magnum round with the weapon having a six round tubular magazine plus an extra round in the chamber when fully loaded. The Cowboy Repeater most likely has a length of 37.8 inches and possibly weighs 6.5 pounds with a possible range of 182.9 meters.
M1 Carbine (Apes): The M1 Carbine, often called the 'Ape Rifle', is a type of carbine which was stored in a wooden shell by the Apes as their main rifle and operates on a gas-operated system with a rotating bolt. This carbine most likely fires the .30 Carbine round with the weapon possibly using a fifteen round detachable box magazine. The M1 Carbine most likely has a length of 35.6 inches and possibly weighs 5.8 pounds with a possible range of 270 meters.
Verdict: The M1 Carbine gets the edge. When looking at the bullets, the .357 Magnum is the larger and heavier bullet while the .30 Carbine has the greater velocity and energy behind it. This does make them even in terms of the rounds used, but the M1 Carbine is still slightly shorter by 2.2 inches and lighter by 11.2 ounces. In addition to this, it has the greater range of the two by 87.1 meters and has eight more rounds in its magazine which also gives it a quicker reloading speed.
Special Weapons
Kitchen Knife (Fiends): The Kitchen Knife, also known as a chef's knife, is a type of knife that can be commonly found in the Mojave Wasteland and is used by many groups in melee combat. The Kitchen Knife has an 8 inch steel blade with a total length of 13.5 inches and weighs a pound.
Knob-lock Bayonet (Apes): The Knob-lock Bayonet is a type of bayonet with possibly a steel triangular blade that was stored in the M1 Carbine used by the Apes. Normally retracted, this bayonet could be extended out for battle by a knob located in the stock under the barrel. This bayonet most likely has a blade length of 10 inches and possibly weighs 8.5 ounces.
Verdict: The Knob-lock Bayonet gets the edge. The Kitchen Knife can be used when engaging in hand to hand combat, but the Knob-lock Bayonet has a slightly longer blade by two inches and is lighter by 7.5 ounces. Even though the bayonet can't come off the rifle its on, it still can turn the M1 Carbine into a spear when its extended for use.
X-Factors
Physicality: The Fiends are one of the many human raider groups that come from the Mojave Wasteland with them being similar to other survivors except having higher than normal stamina due to being high on chems. When looking at the soldiers among them, these Apes are gorillas who have a similar body structure to human beings though they most likely have more strength when compared to most normal humans.
Killer Instinct: The Fiends get the edge. As they are constantly high on chem, the Fiends are more than willing to jump those in the wasteland along with performing acts such as murder and burning innocents for sport just to bring chaos into the areas they are station in. Due to believing they have been the original rulers of Earth, the Apes are willing to hunt the more primitive humans for sport and even kill them along with taking on the mutant humans that lived in the ruins of the New York City Subway.
Psychological Health: As they are more than happy to bring chaos to where they are, the Fiends are often erratic and dangerous compared to other survivors that isn't helped by them being almost constantly high on chem. Often hunting and killing the more primitive humans, the Apes who performed these acts often were of sound mind with their believes based more on them thinking they were superior and taught to never kill other Apes.
Logistics: The Apes get the edge. As a raider group from a nuclear wasteland, the Fiends most likely scavenge, stolen, or looted their weapons and items such as first aid and ammo boxes from those that they attacked and killed while in their war parties. Despite being more primitive than humans in the 20th century, the Apes were most likely able to create their own firearms and were most likely able to gather their own supplies for food, shelter, and equipment for medical purposes.
Match Information: This will be a five on five battle with nothing else being taken into account.
Set Up: In a rocky area close to an area of grassland, a squad of Apes are walking through it as they search for some humans while a Fiend war party are at a small camp with a few captured young apes.
BATTLE
In a rocky area that is very close to an area of grassland on many sides, five gorillas with a body structure of a human in dark bluish grey uniforms with brown shoulder belts over their left shoulders are walking on the rocky terrain. The leader of these gorillas is one holding an M1 Carbine with a small knob just below the barrel and has an Ape Handgun in a holster on their shoulder belt. The other four gorillas follow him in a straight line with the second one having a Madsen M-50 in his hands with an Ape Handgun in a holster on their shoulder belt.
Behind him is a gorilla with an M1 Carbine with a small knob just below the barrel in his hands with the fourth gorilla having a Madsen M-50 in his hands with an Ape Handgun in a holster on their shoulder belt. The last gorilla has a normal M1 Carbine slung over his shoulder with him holding an Ape Handgun in his right hand as he keeps checking their rear. These five gorillas, in order of appearance, are Veska, Aldo, Cornelius, Ursus, and Maximus. They are five Apes who are searching for humans who have been rumored to have killed a small town close by.
Apes: 5
In a small camp in an area of grassland close to the rocky area, humans in different types of raider armor and leather helmets with young bighorner skulls affixed to them are next to wooden cages which have young apes in them. Stepping close to them, their leader is a man wearing blastmaster armor looking at the apes with him having a Caravan Shotgun in his right hand with a Cowboy Repeater slung over his shoulder and a Kitchen Knife strapped to his belt. Walking up to them is another man in badlands armor whose holding an American 180 in his hands with him having a Caravan Shotgun in a holster on his back.
Close to them is a woman in blastmaster armor who has a Cowboy Repeater in her left hand as she lays its barrel on her shoulder while a Kitchen Knife is strapped to her belt. As she lowers an inhaler from her mouth, two other raiders come towards them with an elderly and beaten orangutan with both having a Kitchen Knife strapped to their belts. The first is a woman in sadist armor with an American 180 in her right hand while the other is a man in badland armor holding a Caravan Shotgun in his left hand.
These people, in order of appearance, are Daniel, Jackson, Shelly, Indigo, and Hotshot. These five are Fiends who have set up a small camp after having attacked the small village full of Ape citizens.
Fiends: 5
Apes: 5
Walking over, Daniel watches as Indigo and Hotshot throw the elderly orangutan to the ground at his feet with him putting his Caravan Shotgun to the ape's head. As the being looks up at him, the Fiend leader says, "So, there are others who we need to deal with. Ready to talk about it?"
"I won't tell you anything, human." The orangutan says, breathing heavily as he keeps looking at the man with some anger.
"Have it your way," Daniel replies before pulling the trigger of his gun.
As the squad of Apes keep moving forward, they suddenly hear a loud gunshot coming from their right and all of them turn to look in that direction. Motioning to the others, Veska leads the other gorillas forward in the direction with all of them ready for whatever they come across. After about two minutes, they reach an outcrop of boulders that allows them to see the rocky area transition into an area of grassland.
An area that holds the Fiends camp about sixty feet from them.
"Humans!" Ursus exclaims quietly, "The rumors were true!"
"They're armed," Veska says to his fellow apes, "But not with our weapons. Prepare to move forward and engage them."
The other gorillas nod in agreement before Veska quietly moves forward with his M1 Carbine pointed ahead of him. As he moves, the others follow suit with their weapons at ready for whatever events that were to come to pass.
As the Fiends move around their small camp, Shelly comes over to Daniel and asks, "Hey, is there any more Jet around here?"
"I have the last one," Daniel tells her, "Guess we'll have to head back to Vault 3 to get some more."
"Hey, sir," Jackson states, looking away from the young apes, "If we sell these monkeys to the Legion, we may get some money and use that to pay for more chem."
"Ah, a good idea," Daniel replies, "Tomorrow, we'll head back to the Mojave and march them to Caesar."
As they talk, Hotshot is looking in the ammo box at the far end of the camp for any shotgun shells only to not see any. Closing the box, he's about to ask where some shells are only to look up and see the Apes twenty five feet away as they walk towards him.
"We're being ambushed!" Hotshot shouts, causing the other Fiends to snap towards him.
Seeing this and knowing that violent is necessary, Veska shouts, "Open fire!"
Before the Fiends can properly react, the other gorillas move to get to their leader's side as he aims his M1 Carbine and pulls the trigger. In an instant, a bullet hits Hotshot in the chest with a second bullet from Veska hitting his heart and causing him to fall onto his back dead.
Fiends: 4
Apes: 5
With Daniel putting his shotgun in a holster on his back, the Apes fire their weapons off as the raiders attempt to avoid being hit by their attackers. However, Jackson aims his American 180 and starts spraying bullets at the gorillas to make them fall back to safety. Forcing his foes back, Jackson notices Indigo firing her own American 180 as his leader takes his Cowboy Repeater into his hands. However, Shelly fires a round from her own rifle that goes into Aldo's right eye and causes him to collapse to the ground.
Fiends: 4
Apes: 4
"Quick, behind the rocks!" Veska orders, causing the remaining Apes to turn and run back to a few boulders about a few feet behind them. As they get into cover, Maximus fires his Ape Handgun twice more before having to duck for cover from Jackson firing his American 180. With the gorillas now taking cover, Maximus opens his handgun to reload it while Daniel and Shelly open fire with their Cowboy Repeaters.
As they do, Indigo takes a spare pan magazine off the ground before she goes after Jackson as her fellow raider goes towards an area of large grass. Getting down, the raider prepares his submachine gun as his fellow Fiend quickly lays in the grass as well upon reaching it. By this time, Daniel and Shelly fire their rifles before working the lever action to reload the firearms. Taking aim, they fire at the rocks the Apes are behind and start to work the actions again only for the levers to stop.
"Reload!" Shelly shouts, reaching into a pouch she has for spare ammo for her rifle as her leader does the same. As they do, Ursus stands up and aims his Madsen M-50 and opens fire with his submachine gun at the two raiders standing in the open. The other gorillas stand up and fire with their guns with Maximus, whose now holding his M1 Carbine, aiming and firing a shot at Shelly. The woman cries out as the bullet goes into her chest, but is quickly silenced as a burst from Ursus hits her in the chest as well.
As Daniel loads the last spare bullet into his Cowboy Repeater, he sees Shelly out of the corner of his eye as she falls backwards dead.
Fiends: 3
Apes: 4
Before the gorillas can focus in on the Fiend leader, both Jackson and Indigo open fire with their American 180s from the tall grass up towards their foes. Looking at the dead raider next to him, Daniel kneels down and puts his hand into the pouch on Shelly's body for any spare ammo for his rifle. As he finds two bullets and pulls them out, a burst from Indigo goes into the body of Cornelius and the Ape collapses to his side.
Fiends: 3
Apes: 3
As the remaining Apes keep behind their cover from the rounds, Veska looks over to the other two and motions to them to stay where they are. Both nod in agreement before their leader gets from behind cover and runs towards a series of rocks to get closer to their foes. As Maximus and Ursus fire their weapons and draws attention towards them, Veska stops behind a rock and grabs the knob on the rifle and uses it to extend the bayonet out.
As they keep firing their submachine guns, both Jackson and Indigo finish emptying the pan magazines of their guns with Indigo taking off the magazine from her weapon. However, as Jackson lets his gun go and starts to reach for the shotgun on his back, Daniel fires his Cowboy Repeater towards the two Apes as they empty their own guns. Deciding to leave their cover, Ursus and Maximus drop their guns and draw their Ape Handgun as they charge forward towards their foes.
Indigo gets the new pan magazine onto her American 180 and is about to pull the bolt back only for a hidden Veska to fire two shots at her. Shocked by this, the raider suddenly gets to her feet as her leader fires the final shot at the two Apes who are still charging. However, they quickly take aim at her with Ursus and Maximus both firing four shots from their Ape Handguns. The bullets strikes her in the chest and head with one bullet tearing her neck open before Indigo falls to the ground dead.
Fiends: 2
Apes: 3
Tossing his rifle away, Daniel reaches behind him and draws the Caravan Shotgun as Jackson gets to his feet with him aiming his own shotgun. Both men take aim at the two apes and fire their guns with Ursus getting hit in the chest and Maximus getting his right leg filled with shot. Without wasting a second, both Daniel and Jackson aim their shotguns at Ursus and fire with shot filling the Ape's chest. This causes Ursus to collapse backwards with Maximus having to step back as both raiders start to reload their Caravan Shotguns.
Fiends: 2
Apes: 2
However, Veska charges forward towards Jackson which surprises the raider and causes him to try to put the shells into his shotgun as fast as he can. Seeing this, Daniel tosses his own Caravan Shotgun away and takes his Kitchen Knife out before charging towards Maximus. As his fellow gorilla fires at the Fiend, Veska reaches Jackson and thrusts the Bayonet of his rifle into the raider's stomach. Jackson screams as the Ape leader draws the blade out and brings it back before thrusting it up which goes through the man's neck.
However, at the same time, Maximus looks on in shock as both shots from his Ape Handgun don't slow down the Fiend leader as he reaches him. Just as Veska takes his bayonet out of the dead man, Daniel grabs the gorilla and starts stabbing his Kitchen Knife several times into the ape's stomach and chest. Turning around, Veska watches as Daniel delivers a single stab to Maximus' neck with blood leaking onto the human's hand and body.
Fiends: 1
Apes: 1
Letting the ape fall forward dead, Daniel looks up and spots the Ape leader who looks at the human with rage in his eyes from his fellow ape being killed. Both the raider and the gorilla charge forward with their weapons at the ready as them reach each other within a few seconds. Bringing his rifle back, Veska performs a thrust with his weapon only for the Fiend leader to move to his side to dodge the strike.
Moving quickly, Daniel is able to perform a slash to the side of his adversary though it barely cuts through the ape's clothes. Letting out a grunt from the strike, Veska turns to strike his opponent with his rifle only for the raider to grab it with both hands. Quickly raising his foot, Daniel delivers a kick to the gorilla's chest and makes him step back before tossing the rifle away.
Acting fast, Veska closes the distance with him sending a punch to the Fiend leader's face which sends him back and reaches forward to grab him. However, he pauses for a second upon gripping something from the human's belt and ends up getting a slash to his left shoulder. Despite it barely going into his clothing, it makes the Ape leader step back before Daniel grabbing them by their chest.
Throwing the gorilla backwards onto his back, the raider is ready to deliver the final kill as the Ape gets onto his hands to try and get to his feet. However, the Fiend leader sees something in the ape's right hand and starts to freak out.
"My Jet!" Daniel shouts in anger and horror.
Raising his right hand, Veska sees an inhaler in his hand with the gorilla quickly connecting the name with the item.
"You need this?" Veska asks, quickly getting an idea in his head, "You truly value something like this?"
"Of course," the Fiend leader says with rage in his voice and raising his knife up, "Give that to me now!"
"Then have it!" the Ape leader replies, throwing the inhaler away from him with the raider watching where the item fly through the air. Seeing where it landed, Daniel moves forward towards where the inhaler was and grabs it from the ground. Deciding to get more stamina, the raider uses the inhaler and allows the Jet to take hold of his body again.
"You fool," Daniel says to himself, tossing the empty inhaler away, "Now it's time to finish this."
Turning around with a smile, the Fiend leader looses it as he looks in horror as Veska stands about ten feet from him holding a Caravan Shotgun. Briefly looking over at the dead body of Hotshot, Daniel is unable to do anything as the gorilla pulls the trigger and blows the top of his head off.
Fiends: 0
Apes: 1
Taking a breath, the Ape watches the body drop to the ground before looking at the shotgun in awe and rushes towards the human's body. Kneeling down next to it, Veska sees a pouch on their belt and reaches into it as he ends up pulling about five shotgun shells from it.
"Ah, guess you humans are useful for something," Veska says, pocketing the shells before standing up and moving to free the young apes in the cages.
Final Verdict: These two warriors who control land after nuclear war could hold their ground in a fight, yet when it came down to the wire it was the Apes who emerged as the victors with a possible outcome of 5.4 out of 10 battles. Starting with weapons, the Fiends had the edge in medium range while the Apes had the edge in the other categories. This gave the Apes the better rifle and melee weapon though it still gave the Fiends the best weapon in medium range. Moving onto x-factors, the Apes took a solid edge in both psychological health and logistics while the Fiends had a solid edge in killer instinct. With physicality, both were even in many aspects but the Fiends took a slight edge as their better stamina while on chems would factor more than the strength of the Apes. This means that the Fiends would be harder to take down, but most of the Ape's firearms could neutralize this edge and their edge in logistics is just as likely to come into play as physicality. Ultimately, the killer instinct of the Fiends along with their slightly better physicality were unable to overcome the more mentally healthy Apes along with their better logistics and rifle.
Got a battle you want to see? Tell me and I'll see if I can get it into the series! Next time, it's a battle of government agencies that fight for the United States and Japan.
Ray Tanaka: Hey, everyone! This was quite an interesting battle to do and it has gone through an evolution from when I first had this in my old Deadliest Warrior story. When I first had the concept, it was against another Fallout group known as the Scorpions who were still marked as the Apes' foes when I added the fight for this series. However, after thinking about it and looking around, I found the Fiends who had a larger presence in the Mojave and fit better for the fight so they replaced the Scorpions here. Though, in that they originally had the .357 Magnum Revolver and Varmint Rifle since it gave them a handgun and the Varmint Rifle was said to be one of the more common rifles they had.
However, when I started writing this, I looked at the Fiends again and decided to drop the revolver for the Caravan Shotgun due to being a common weapon for them. At the same time, I decided to use the Cowboy Repeater since they can be found with that weapon and I thought it made for a more unique comparison than with the Varmint Rifle, which is in 5.56mm and a bolt action. Looking at the Apes' weapons, most of them come from the film Beneath the Planet of the Apes with the only weapon that comes from the original film being their M1 Carbine
I had to guess more at the Apes' guns info using the stats of the actual weapons except the Ape Handgun since it was mostly a guess. Not surprised about that, since the prop for the Ape Handgun looks more like a wooden prop with no real way to load the weapon or even how to it works. As for next time, two previous warriors are coming back with it being a battle of two fictional warriors with modern weapons. On a final note, I currently have a poll for battles for the Historical Series still up. If you wish to vote, see the latest chapter of the Historical Series to see the details. Hope you all enjoy!