Beach Day, a percy jackson and the olympians fanfic

Preface:
I have read all books and seen the movies.
Most importantly, the fact that it's fantasy doesn't excuse the themes and messages in the book. Fiction is merely a vehicle humans developed to communicate important lessons, values and philosophies. I am not claiming any of the implications I discuss were intentional on SMeyer's part. Whether or not the author or readers are aware of it, though, the Twilight series communicates dangerous messages about what is acceptable or admirable or desirable.
Also, I highly recommend link. It's long, but fascinating and deeper than the books themselves.

Stephenie Meyer's rebuttal to claims that Bella is anti-feminist is based on her own odd and simple definition of feminism:

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"In my own opinion (key word), the foundation of feminism is this: being able to choose."

I think women who have fought and are still fighting for women's equality through the Feminist movement would take issue with Meyer's implication that a person can apply whatever definition they wish to another's political ideology. For those who firmly believe that it is impossible for an opinion to be wrong, though, this definition is still, at the very least, meaningless. The simple proof of this is that a woman can choose to be subservient to men or value men and masculinity more than women and femininity. This is undeniably anti-feminist. However, it is her choice to be anti-feminist. Therefore, according to Meyer's definition, anti-feminism can be a form of feminism. A self-negating concept would not have made a very sturdy "foundation" for such a huge movement.

"The core of anti-feminism is, conversely, telling a woman she can't do something solely because she's a woman—taking any choice away from her specifically because of her gender. 'You can't be an astronaut, because you're a woman. You can't be president because you're a woman. You can't run a company because you're a woman.' All of those oppressive 'can'ts.'"

What she is describing is only intentional and direct sexism, pretty easy to spot. Oppression is far more subtle, institutionalized into our basic instincts and daily treatment of gender. It is also unintentional and unnoticed by the oppressing class. For example, a male boss rationalizes promoting males because he gets to know them better through after hours drinks and games of golf. Men usually tell themselves women wouldn't want to be invited to these things. Otherwise, they don't have the time because of society's expectations that wives take care of the majority of housework. The male boss tells himself he would be open to promoting a woman he felt was qualified but doesn't even realize that he isn't giving her equal opportunity.

The widely agreed upon definition of feminism by reference sources and scholars in the field of women's studies is "belief in the political, economic, and social equality of the sexes." (please note that equality does not mean sameness)

Arzim's Rebuttals (the first argument on Edward's abusive traits) explains rather thoroughly how Edward does not treat Bella as an equal in their relationship. For those who still believe that Bella is a feminist figure because she makes choices, I'm going to expand on the prevalent theme in the series of women having the illusion of choice.

Throughout the whole series, we never really see Bella struggle over a decision or a choice she has to make. Rather, quite the opposite occurs, her decisions invariably come immediately. The closest thing she has to a decision making process is "What is best for Edward or brings me closer to Edward?" [Presumably, Stephenie Meyer believes that Bella's severe devotion to Edward (that starts after they've had just a few conversations) that not only tops, but also erases all her other priorities, values, aspirations, and thought processes is proof of their true love.] Even Bella herself admits to her lack of choice when it comes to Edward.

"I didn't know if there ever was a choice, really. I was already in too deep. Now that I knew — if I knew — I could do nothing about my frightening secret. Because when I thought of him, of his voice, his hypnotic eyes, the magnetic force of his personality, I wanted nothing more than to be with him right now." Bella Swan, Twilight, Chapter 7, p.139

Bella repeatedly describes a "hypnotic" sensation whenever she hears Edward's voice or looks at him. Although it is intended to be romantic, Meyer's word choice describing Edward's "hypnotic" effect and "magnetic force" on Bella alerts the reader (without much subtlety) that the "choice" is being controlled by an outside force, specifically Edward. Whether he intends to or not, Edward's presence in Bella's life weakens her strength of will and even of body, causing her to faint at one point. Any self-respecting woman or woman-respecting man would remove themselves from such a situation.

(side note: I thought the fainting spell was unintentionally symbolic of the unequal and unhealthy nature of their relationship. Just one of the many reasons the first book could have been amazing if it had been in a series about a boy who manipulates a girl into worshiping him and believing they are in love but really it's a destructive, obsessive relationship. The first book being from her fantastical, idealized point of view and the rest showing how her dependency-fueled decisions end up messing up everyone in her life. Depressing? Yeah, but a million times more fascinating.)
(side side note: Does Meyer think the fact that Edward, intentionally or otherwise, made Bella pass out is another symptom of true love or was there some purpose to that happening? Not rhetorical, I was really confused as to what the point of the fainting was.)

Other examples of how Edwards's involvement in her life weakens Bella:
- "I'd given more information than necessary in my unwilling honesty, and I worried it would provoke the strange anger that flared whenever I slipped and revealed too clearly how obsessed I was." Twilight, Chapter 11, p.230
- "Our relationship couldn't continue to balance, as it did, on the point of a knife. We would fall off one edge or the other, depending entirely upon HIS decision, or HIS instincts. My decision was made, made before I'd ever consciously chosen, and I was committed to seeing it through. Because there was nothing more terrifying to me, more excruciating, than the thought of turning away from him. It was an impossibility." Twilight, Chapter 12, p.248
- "There was no way around it; I couldn't resist him in anything." Twilight, Chapter 13, p.284
- "His eyes were melting all my fury. It was impossible to fight with him when he cheated like that." Twilight, Epilogue, p.485
- "His mouth was on mine then, and I couldn't fight him. Not because he was so many thousand times stronger than me, but because my will crumbled into dust the second our lips met." New Moon, Chapter 23, p.512

Also, notice that Edward himself is not enchanting and attracting her. He is a complete jerk when they first meet for no reason apparent to her. If she cared about personality or being respected, she would have written him off and spent her time developing relationships with the people who were warm and welcoming to her (literally every human in Forks.) However, this doesn't deter her because she's fallen in love with Edward's body, not Edward. From what I recall, the only quality she even mentions, other than his inhuman beauty, is that he is over-protective. As much as I hate Edward, Bella can be pretty bad, too. She's not only anti-feminist, she's also completely objectifying Edward!

Bella often puts up with Edward directly taking away her ability to choose without putting up much of a fight or being upset for more than a moment. She credits it to is protectiveness, which she believes makes it excusable. "Over-protective" is a red flag for a potential physical or emotional abuser. This shouldn't attract Bella if she's half as smart as Meyer says. As part of his role of being completely in control of Bella, their relationship and her other relationships, Edward frequently decides he knows what is best for Bella and leaves no room for discussion: dragging her across the parking lot without trying to reason with her first, removing her engine, etc. The argument is "That's because he's a vampire. He has to protect her. He really does know what's best for her. He apologizes later." Perhaps this is an inherent quality of vampire-human relationships and there is no way to avoid the vampire having all authority and control. If so, then all vampire-human relationships are inherently unequal partnerships and inherently unhealthy.

GOOD INTENTIONS OR APOLOGIES DO NOT MATTER WHEN IT COMES TO A CONTROLLING, SHORT-TEMPERED SIGNIFICANT OTHER!

In fact, these are often the main reasons women feel trapped in abusive relationships.

In New Moon, Edward lies to Bella about his reasons for leaving. Since there was no way she could stop him, he clearly does not see her as an equal who deserves to know why someone who claimed she was the most important thing in the world is leaving her. He also takes away her ability to choose how to handle his departure, removing everything that he thinks will remind her of him. Bella has become so dependent on Edward for happiness and meaning that in her life after his departure, she becomes an empty, emotionless "zombie." Not for a few days or weeks, for months. It seems that by leaving, Edward has put her on auto-pilot, as she has no interest in choices or oppurtunities she may have that won't help her bring Edward back. She literally has no life, personality, aspirations, happiness, anything without Edward. She only manages to even partially regain any of these things by coming dependent on another man, Jacob, and using him as an emotional crutch.

There is topic on which she does appear to make a conscious, if stupid, decision. She decides to start cheating death on a regular basis so that she can hear Edward's voice. However, it becomes obvious that she's not really in control of this supposed "choice" either.

"I was addicted to the sound of my delusions. It made things worse if I went too long without them." New Moon, Chapter 15, p.352
[[ad⋅dic⋅tion
–noun
the state of being enslaved to a habit or practice or to something that is psychologically or physically habit-forming, as narcotics, to such an extent that its cessation causes severe trauma.]]

Clearly, this is a very good description of Bella's daredevil exploits. Addiction is not decision, it's severely dangerous compulsion. Even with her new emotional crutch, Bella's decisions are still being entirely made involuntarily and immediately by her obsession with Edward.

Here are a few more examples of Bella's lack or illusion of choice that I'm not going to delve into:
-She never has the ability to decide whether or not or when she becomes a vampire. When it finally does happen, it's Edward's only choice if he wants her to survive.
-She doesn't choose to marry Edward, but rather is blackmailed into it by him.
-Edward and Alice frequently withholding information that directly relates to Bella's life and well-being.

The supposed "choice" that bothered me the most was that of the werewolves' infant imprints. An infant who is imprinted on is going to grow up her entire life with the imprinter constantly around as an authority figure. In order to make imprinting a child acceptable, it is explained that he will be "whatever is needed, whether that's a brother or uncle or father." Jacob doesn't say it out loud, but once she starts to mature, he's going to find her irresistibly sexually attractive and expect a sexual relationship with her. He doesn't say it out loud because Meyer apparently wishes to remain in massive denial about how messed up this is.
Arzim's Rebuttals likens the situation to child-grooming, which I think is spot on.

[["Child grooming"
The deliberate actions taken by an adult to form a trusting relationship with a child, with the intent of later having sexual contact is known as child grooming. The act of grooming a child sexually may include activities that are legal in and of themselves, but later lead to sexual contact. Typically, this is done to gain the child's trust as well as the trust of those responsible for the child's well-being.]]

These children are going to be raised to trust their imprinters and view them as guardians who have authority over them. Since their parents are okay about the imprinting, they will raise the children to believe that an adult man's supernatural fixation on her is acceptable. Since parents typically explain to their children what love is, they and the man himself will tell her that the imprinter loves her and she will grow up believing that this is a fact rather than something she can judge from herself. Meyer casually dismisses the possibility of the feelings not being reciprocated because it's "hard to resist that level of devotion." Apparently, the girls are going to be told that someone having strong feelings for you is reason enough to love them. The extreme "level of devotion" throughout their entire childhoods and constantly being told how much their imprinters love them will create the impression that rejecting the imprinter would be wrong, that they "owe it" to the imprinter or that it is their duty to their community.

It is a typical subconscious attitude ingrained in men that when they are rejected, it is the fault of the women. There are a million reasons for a women to reject a man, i.e. her comfort level, his manner of approach, feelings for someone else. However women who reject for any reason tend to be labeled as "ice queens," "b****es," "conceited," etc. Compare this to the typical reaction of a rejected female: depression, lowered sense of self-worth, etc. This is because men are taught to believe that the only reason that matters is their interest in the woman. This attitude is more dangerous than playground insults however. Some men become convinced that a woman has no right to reject them because they deserve whatever they want. It is simply one type of "blaming the victim" tactics that is used to justify rape.
(side note: I know not all guys and girls react the way I described, definitely not the guys I hand out with, but it is a trend)

When children are sexually abused by an authority figure they trust, they often do not tell anyone because they are afraid and confused about what's going on. Meyer claims that the imprinted children have a choice, but it's an illusion. After being prepared and pampered and guided down the aisle to her life's purpose of reproducing with someone who pretended to be her "brother or uncle or father" her entire life, she's not going to feel like she has a choice.

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I have read all books and seen the /

Most importantly, the fact that it's fantasy doesn't excuse the themes and messages in the book. Fiction is merely a vehicle humans developed to communicate important lessons, values and philosophies. bI am not claiming any of the implications I discuss were intentional on SMeyer's part./b Whether or not the author or readers are aware of it, though, the Twilight series communicates dangerous messages about what is acceptable or admirable or /

Also, I highly recommend a href="/register"link/a. It's long, but fascinating and deeper than the books /

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Stephenie Meyer's rebuttal to claims that Bella is anti-feminist is based on her own odd and simple definition of feminism:br /

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"In my own iopinion/i (key word), the foundation of feminism is this: being able to choose."br /

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(side side note: Does Meyer think the fact that Edward, intentionally or otherwise, made Bella pass out is another symptom of true love or was there some purpose to that happening? Not rhetorical, I was really confused as to what the point of the fainting was.)br /

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Other examples of how Edwards's involvement in her life weakens Bella:br /

- "I'd given more information than necessary in my unwilling honesty, and I worried it would provoke the strange anger that flared whenever I slipped and revealed too clearly how obsessed I was." Twilight, Chapter 11, p.230br /

- "Our relationship couldn't continue to balance, as it did, on the point of a knife. We would fall off one edge or the other, depending entirely upon HIS decision, or HIS instincts. My decision was made, made before I'd ever consciously chosen, and I was committed to seeing it through. Because there was nothing more terrifying to me, more excruciating, than the thought of turning away from him. It was an impossibility." Twilight, Chapter 12, p.248br /

- "There was no way around it; I couldn't resist him in anything." Twilight, Chapter 13, p.284br /

- "His eyes were melting all my fury. It was impossible to fight with him when he cheated like that." Twilight, Epilogue, p.485br /

- "His mouth was on mine then, and I couldn't fight him. Not because he was so many thousand times stronger than me, but because my will crumbled into dust the second our lips met." New Moon, Chapter 23, p.512br /

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GOOD INTENTIONS OR APOLOGIES DO NOT MATTER WHEN IT COMES TO A CONTROLLING, SHORT-TEMPERED SIGNIFICANT OTHER!br /

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In fact, these are often the main reasons women feel trapped in abusive /

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"I was addicted to the sound of my delusions. It made things worse if I went too long without them." New Moon, Chapter 15, p.352br /

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the state of being enslaved to a habit or practice or to something that is psychologically or physically habit-forming, as narcotics, to such an extent that its cessation causes severe trauma.]]br /

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Here are a few more examples of Bella's lack or illusion of choice that I'm not going to delve into:br /

-She never has the ability to decide whether or not or when she becomes a vampire. When it finally does happen, it's Edward's only choice if he wants her to /

-She doesn't choose to marry Edward, but rather is blackmailed into it by /

-Edward and Alice frequently withholding information that directly relates to Bella's life and /

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Arzim's Rebuttals likens the situation to child-grooming, which I think is spot /

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The deliberate actions taken by an adult to form a trusting relationship with a child, with the intent of later having sexual contact is known as child grooming. The act of grooming a child sexually may include activities that are legal in and of themselves, but later lead to sexual contact. Typically, this is done to gain the child's trust as well as the trust of those responsible for the child's well-being.]]br /

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(side note: I know not all guys and girls react the way I described, definitely not the guys I hand out with, but it is a trend)br /

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div class="text"span class="commenter"div class="img" style="background-image:url( image/user_images/2510000/-Grace-2510260_16_ )"/div -Grace-/span"I'm not sure I understand what you mean here :/ I mention her not being able to live without a man because I know she is straight. If she has homosexual, she would still be dependent, just with women. It doesn't make a difference, I was merelly talking about the gender she is attracted to."

Oh good, that's fine then :) I thought you might be one of those people who blames everything on men, regardless of whether or not it would be just as bad if it had been a woman. But it appears not, so all is well :D

"You say that Bella is in love with simply because she (and literary Meyer) keep repeating it. But can you name somewhere in the books that Meyer actually shows, instead of telling (big writing mistake) why Bella and Edward are in "love"?"

Oh, I see why we disagree here! For me, Twilight is a light, fluffy romance. So the explanation "they just are" is good enough ^_^ I realy just like the humour and the characters, so I don't mind if it hasn't got much depth. I disagree that it's just lust and obsession, it is love, but we only know that because we know that was the author's intention. It hasn't got enough depth to be self-evident :)/div

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div class="text"span class="commenter"div class="img" style="background-image:url( image/user_images/4126000/KissOfDoom-4126430_16_ )"/div KissOfDoom/span^I agree that it's a light, fluffy read :) But I don't think that excuses bad/shallow writing. Besides Meyer didn't seem to [i]intend[/i] it to be so light. She tried to put drama and "forbidden love" in her books. But if you want drama and serious conflict, it has to have some depth and reason to support it. I saw nothing but lust between Edward and Bella, and I guess I'm not one of those readers that would tolerate it for the shake of the story. I don't know, probably it's because I think more as a writer than a reader at the first place. /div

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div class="text"span class="commenter"div class="img" style="background-image:url( image/user_images/2510000/-Grace-2510260_16_ )"/div -Grace-/spanIt comes down to the difference between "bad literature" and "bad book". I don't think there's any such thing as a bad book, because it's too subjective. But I'm sure Twilight is bad literature :) The difference betwen us is that I don't care about the quality of the literature, and so can love Twilight regardless!/div

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div class="text"span class="commenter"div class="img" style="background-image:url(/images/user/0_16_ ?cache=1315205980)"/div kenderes/spanYour second to last paragraph sounds completely dehumanizing. It is as if you view your gender as the only one having souls, feelings or desires and the other one as just biorobots, empty shells without ghosts. /div

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div class="text"span class="commenter"div class="img" style="background-image:url(/images/user/0_16_ ?cache=1315205980)"/div OHSHClover/spanTwilight is awful! and Bellas a horrible character! /div

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div class="text"span class="commenter"div class="img" style="background-image:url( image/user_images/2510000/-Grace-2510260_16_ )"/div -Grace-/span^"Twilight is awful! And Bella's a horrible character!"

I almost get tired of explaining this...almost :D

Would you like to amend your statement to "I think Twilight is awful", or would you prefer to give me objective reasons for why it is? :)/div

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Personally, I don't like Twilight, but Midnight Sun seems like it could be a good book because one of the annoying things, to me, was Bella. (I read all the books as a favor to my friend).

I find her a bit boring, actually. I don't know, perhaps it's because I prefer TONS of action as well as a bit of romance and comedy, while Twilight was mostly romance and less action? It's certainly possible.

Midnight Sun, however, is Edwards' Point of View and, from the spoiler I've read online, it seems a lot more exciting. Perhaps I'm wrong, it's quite possible. But I think it seems better.

Now, onto reasons I dislike Bella/:

1. Her crush (Or love, if you prefer) is something I, personally, can't relate to. Yeah, most girls have that ONE crush they like so much-like Edward-but I've never really had that. I'm 13, I've got time, but it hasn't happened yet so a lot of it seems a bit silly. Perhaps when I have that first huge crush I'll know, but, to this moment, I don't.

2. She bores me. She's more romance than adventure, and I prefer adventure. Plus, she's more 'classic girl' while I (being a complete tomboy) prefer reading in a boys mind. There's nothing really wrong with this, and some girls, the tomboys, are interesting. But Bellas 'classic girl' and has od (Should od be in capitals or is lowercase fine?) thoughts about her crush. A lot of girls in my school do that, but I prefer mainly action with little snippets of a crush thrown in there.

3. She's a bit co-dependent. She constantly needs a figure in her life telling her what to do or she's lost and can't really make her own decisions. Perhaps it's her mothers doing, picking a man over Bella when she sent her to Forks, but she constantly needs someone there. I find it a bit annoying because we just see her thinking over what OTHERS said versus sorting her own thoughts out which I don't really like.

These are my main reasons for dislike of Bella and I'm sorry if anything came out rude. Like I said, I have high hopes for Midnight Sun because it's Edwards Point of View. Anyway, anything you have to say is appreciated!/div

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div class="text"span class="commenter"div class="img" style="background-image:url( image/user_images/2510000/-Grace-2510260_16_ )"/div -Grace-/span^I very much approve of you and everything you just said ^_^ You're very mature, I can hardly believe you're only 13 D:/div

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div class="text"span class="commenter"div class="img" style="background-image:url( image/user_images/2510000/-Grace-2510260_16_ )"/div -Grace-/span""In my own opinion (key word), the foundation of feminism is this: being able to choose."

The definition of feminism only specifies that for someone to be a feminist/agree with feminism, they must advocate the political, social and economic equality of women to men. Someone who personally valued men/masculinity more than women/femininity could still believe that men and women should be equal, but that they personally value men/masculinity more :D I believe that atheism is more valuable than theism, but I still believe that atheists and theists are equal as human beings.

Also, you almost imply here that Bella values men/masculinity more than women/femininity :\ I don't think that's shown anywhere in the novels. She's very devoted to Edward, but I think that's just becausse she's in love with him, I don't think it has anything to do with the fact that she's subservient to men. I'm sure if she were a lesbian she would be just as obsessively devoted to her partner :) I explained Bella/Edward to an impartial male friend of mine who has never read the series, and when I described their relationship, he said (I'm paraphrasing)

"In real life that would be really creepy, but in context I think it's just the author trying to make a point of how much they're in love. Isn't that how people are supposed to feel when they're in love? Like the other person is their whole world? Obviously in real life if someone's whole world revolved around their boyfriend, it would be unhealthy, but in context I think it just makes a point."

I completely agree with him!

"Bella repeatedly describes a "hypnotic" sensation whenever she hears Edward's voice or looks at him. Although it is intended to be romantic, Meyer's word choice describing Edward's "hypnotic" effect and "magnetic force" on Bella alerts the reader (without much subtlety) that the "choice" is being controlled by an outside force, specifically Edward. Whether he intends to or not, Edward's presence in Bella's life weakens her strength of will and even of body, causing her to faint at one point. Any self-respecting woman or woman-respecting man would remove themselves from such a situation."

I don't think it means that he literally hypnotised her ^_^ I think it's more "I have no choice, because I'm already genuinely in love with him and genuinely can't be happy without him because of it" It's not the bad kind of "I have no choice", where she'd love to leave, but can't because he's manipulated and abused her into believing that her happiness depends upon his constant presence in her life.

In real life if someone said that, of course there'd be room for interpretation. "You can't be happy without him?! Of course you can! Have some self respect!" but in context, we know she genuinely is happy with him because that is the author's intention, and the author's intentions are the characters intentions :)

I'll probably be back for more later :D This is fun, thank you for writing this article!/div

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div class="text"span class="commenter"div class="img" style="background-image:url( image/user_images/2201000/sylviakitty348-2201947_16_ )"/div sylviakitty348/spanI got about half way down reading the comments, and when I didnt see any mention of something on my mind, I decided to point it out here.

Does no one else also find how Edward was ordering Bella never to set foot on LaPush grounds and never to see Jacob again a very large, very obvious example of him controlling her? I thought so. I was wondering why I didn't see it come up sooner in past discussions.

I remember a specific scene in Bella's kitchen, after everything is all said and done and Jacob is tossed out the window after Edward returns, where he specifically commands she never make contact with a werewolf ever again. She protests for about two lines, then stares into his beautiful, mesmerizing, golden eyes and goes to sit on his lap and either forgets or knows and doesnt care that he's forbidding her from seeing her bestfriend.

Personally, I think it is the latter. And a little bit of forgetting, as well, due to Edward's supposed hunky-dreamyness. Now tell me, [i]how is that a solid, determined, strong attempt at an argument?[/i] I was always so frustrated whenever reading those kinds of scenes, [i]especially[/i] that one. It annoyed me SO much, I could barely stand to read one more line of her obsessive thoughts. She completely disregards everything, throws every aspect of her life, even decides what college to go to, based on him!

I felt my self worth as a female teenager slowly decline with every paragraph that passed under my eyes. Every time she submitted to him felt like a slap in the face. As a fifteen year old who knows love is NOT about sex and physical looks, I am disgusted by Bella's lack of description of Edward on his personality.

In all honesty, I would have hated someone like Edward had I had the unfortunate chance to meet one. Controlling, quiet (not in a good way) and solemn, way too serious, overly-dramatic, cheesy, and totally creepy-stalkeresque.

Thats why I love your article so much: because it puts these kinds of things to light in a very sophisticated, well referenced and cited article. I love how you backed your theories with quotes from the book, page number and all. It makes for a much stronger and more seriously taken piece of argument. I thank god for people with sense like you :)/div

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div class="text"span class="commenter"div class="img" style="background-image:url( image/user_images/2510000/-Grace-2510260_16_ )"/div -Grace-/span sylviakitty348:

It is a bit controlling him to forbid her from seeing Jacob, yes. Still, I often liken it to a real-world boyfriend forbidding his girlfriend from spending time alone with an unmedicated schizophrenic with a rifle :) That's about how dangerous Edward considers Jacob, so I think it would be a little remiss of him not to be concerned about her spending time with him.

Of course, it could also be considered extremely self-righteous of Edward to let Bella spend time with someone he is sure is extremely dangerous. "Oh, I'm sure she's putting her life at risk, there's a good chance he'll snap and kill her, but I wouldn't want to be controlling, it's her choice." There comes a point where it's nothing more than self-righteousness to make calls like that. I'm not sure if the situation in Twilight IS that point, but it's something to consider :)

And they compromise in the end anyway. I think it's a good compromise :) Twilight taught me a valuable lesson about the importance of compromise in relationships./div

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div class="text"span class="commenter"div class="img" style="background-image:url(/images/user/0_16_ ?cache=1315205980)"/div sophiellisa/spanI mean, people can say whatever, but Twilight does have A GREAT DEAL of fans, and 93% of people who either read a book or saw the movie loves it! Girls wants to be like Bella, copy her and have exactly the same life as she has! And yeah, the life's purpose is to find a love, man who will love you and protect you, nothing can replace that! The women who runs towards career or so called "dreams" are actually the frustrated single pathetic ones! Face it guys!

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div class="text"span class="commenter"div class="img" style="background-image:url(/images/user/0_16_ ?cache=1315205980)"/div SiRiUsLy_bLaCk/spanit's frightening when u hear girls saying they wanna b like bella and find the "perfect" guy like edward. call me cynical but in 2day's corrupt society, few men will truly take care of a woman if she has no money; ive seen it dozens of times. in reality, men arent intimidated if women r successful, only if theyre more successful. truth is, many men want financially independent women so that their own financial burdens are lessened.

twilight is giving these young girls a false sense of security, the idea that they dont hav 2 work hard 2 achieve success because theyll find a man who will protect them. some will, no doubt, but some wont. and in the long run, when women become a burden to men, men will hurt them, and its back 2 the good ol' days where women were forced 2 endure abuse. u cant even get divorced bcuz where will u get the money 4 a lawyer? how will u take care of urself when u hav no financial support?

choosing a successful career doesnt mean giving up family. rather, it provides a better family, where children dont hav 2 endure parents' bickering over money problems. plenty of successful women r happily married, with beautiful, healthy children. this is the image of women that should b promoted, not the false perception twilight givs./div

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div class="text"span class="commenter"div class="img" style="background-image:url( image/user_images/5959000/Renarimae-5959525_16_ )"/div Renarimae/span^Well said. /div

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div class="text"span class="commenter"div class="img" style="background-image:url( image/user_images/3936000/cassie-1-2-3-3936973_16_ )"/div cassie-1-2-3/spanI think this entire article is insulting feminism.

That is all./div

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div class="text"span class="commenter"div class="img" style="background-image:url(/images/user/0_16_ ?cache=1315205980)"/div SiRiUsLy_bLaCk/spanthe biggest thing i find disturbing about meyer's "definition" of "feminism" is the whole "choosing" thing. so she's basically saying that if a woman "chooses" 2 put herself in a position unequal and inferior 2 men (which is the exact OPPOSITE of the dictionary definition of "feminism"), she's a feminist? does that even make sense?/div

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div class="text"span class="commenter"div class="img" style="background-image:url( image/user_images/3936000/cassie-1-2-3-3936973_16_ )"/div cassie-1-2-3/spanIt makes perfect sense.

Saying a feminist is a person who tells women what they shouldn't decide to do with her life makes less sense./div

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div class="text"span class="commenter"div class="img" style="background-image:url( image/user_images/3282000/Ivana2804-3282315_16_ )"/div Ivana2804/spanGreat article.

cassie 1-2-3: So, you've just told another woman (the author of the article) what she shouldn't do. That makes you anti-feminist by your definition, no?/div

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div class="text"span class="commenter"div class="img" style="background-image:url(/images/user/0_16_ ?cache=1315205980)"/div Fluffers/spanI think it's interesting how people blame popular books and television shows for dragging feminism back so many years. If anything, they are useful diagnostic tools. Do you think readers would flock to the books the way they do if they didn't relate to the characters? Anti-feminism is not a contagious disease. You can't catch it from reading a book. What can happen is you can re-evaluate your values and see how the new ideas fit with your old ones, and you can choose to include the new ideas or dismiss them, which is good for the process of self-discovery.

Personally, I can understand the lack of equality in the relationship. Edward is so much older than she is, so he is much wiser and smarter than her, not to mention his superior physical strength. Frankly, it must be hard for him not to treat her like an infant at times. While I might not take the kind of stuff he does from a guy around my age, after a couple centuries age difference, I imagine I would be more inclined to accept that this person has more experience, and it might behoove me to listen. I don't think the dynamics of their relationship apply very well to relationships in reality, but I don't see the relationship being very realistic as far as the book goes if Edward was just like "Okay, Bella. You're right. I've only been around hundreds of years, but your 17 years of life has given you equal experience and judgement. I'll trust you not to get yourself killed by doing those stupid things you love to do. Also, go ahead and jeopardize our pact with the werewolves. My family would only have to leave our home, and somebody might get killed, but hey! Stuff happens. No big deal." I think the role the age difference might play in the relationship should be discussed in the book to clarify that this is not necessarily a normal dynamic, if it does indeed play a role. Maybe it could be left to assumption had it been geared to an older audience, but I suppose I feel like the kids need a little guidance in why the relationship would be acceptable in this situation as opposed to how it applies to them. Bella submits to Edward, though, out of some combination of love and lust, not out of respect for his opinion. However, the fact that she does not respect Edward's opinion just means her decision process is negative to him as well as herself. It is more a character flaw than a flaw in her ideology.

As for the shallow writing, I think the editor should have done something about that. I don't expect a mom from Phoenix to be able to navigate the intricacies of writing meaningful, thought-provoking prose, even if she did major in Literature in college.

I think what girls like about Twilight is the idea of being so deeply enamored by a guy that you would easily be able to stay with him forever, on the condition that he is equally devoted and submissive. Had Edward's more jerkish actions been out of selfishness, I think girls would have written him off as a bad person. However, it's the intention and devotion behind the actions that girls crave. I think as girls date, they will quickly find that kind of devotion does not work for everyone, and there will ultimately be no harm to their relationships.

I find the most successfully independent female characters center around a plot that does not include romance, although perhaps some romance can be sprinkled in here and there. Independent women are simply hard to pull off in a romance.

Twilight is not the first romance story to feature googly-eyed teenage girls whose sole purpose is to love their lover, and it's certainly not going to be the last. However, I still see great advances on the feminism front, so I imagine these books cannot be the feminism time machine so many people imagine them to be./div

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div class="text"span class="commenter"div class="img" style="background-image:url( image/user_images/5455000/Book-Freak-5455004_16_ )"/div Book-Freak/spanFantastic article, props for you! /div

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div class="text"span class="commenter"div class="img" style="background-image:url( image/user_images/5880000/AudreyFreak-5880387_16_ )"/div AudreyFreak/spanit's also antifeminist to degrade another woman for not fitting your idea of how a woman should be. ^_^/div

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div class="text"span class="commenter"div class="img" style="background-image:url( image/user_images/3936000/cassie-1-2-3-3936973_16_ )"/div cassie-1-2-3/span^This one./div

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div class="text"span class="commenter"div class="img" style="background-image:url( image/user_images/5183000/razorblade31-5183328_16_ )"/div razorblade31/spanI love you for writing this article!/div

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div id='article_remainder_button_id22047397'OK, I know you guys are thinking: "What?! How dare you! Bella and Edward's love is the best and most romantic love of all times!111Elevntyone!1" And then, you're going to say I'm just some guy who hasn't read the books. I'm not. I'm a teenage girl, and I have read all the books. Even Bree Tanner and that bit of Midnight Sun on Meyer's website. br /br /I'll just discuss the reasons why it's not true love. br /br /bPhysical Attraction/bbr /...And more of /Picture this. Our great female lead is in an average high-school cafetaria, surrounded by average, high school kids. It's noisy and loud, and she wishes she was.../div

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div id='article_remainder_button_id18708896'1. In Twilight, the "romance" as they call it is just there from the beginning. In Percy Jackson and the Olympians (We'll call it PJO), the Percy-Annabeth relationship was apparent from the start, but built up until the kiss in Battle of The Labryrinth and eventually their relationship began in The Last Olympian. br /2. In Battle Of The Labryrinth, Percy ran into Greek mythology's equivilent to vampires: the empousai. These were ugly creatures who had flaming hair, one goat leg, one metal leg, fangs, were deadly poisonous, and usually disguised themselves as mean cheerleaders. In Twilight, the.../div

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div id='article_remainder_button_id7960365'iI would like to note that anne rice wrote the entire series before Meyer in case any idea's that anne stole it from stephanie/i _br /br /br /br /b1./b The character louis thinks he deserves to be in hell...ihmmmm/i sound familar to another vampire?Edward perhapsbr /br /b2./bAnimal Blood can be drank by vampires but they prefer human blood in Interview with a Vampire AND Twilight soon followed this waybr /br /b3./b The Vampires skin dazzles humans apparently...Which is a lot like the sparkling skin that the cullens posessbr /br /b4./b There are immortal children in both of the books. The unnamed children.../div

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