When the shooting happened, I thought for sure, there were like 5 people in the Trenchcoat Mafia clique, involved with it.

I took German as an elective, the year before, and I tried to get other members of the clique involved, to speak German.

I first met Dylan at the High School, back in May 1997.

He was wearing a lot of Rammstein shirts but, never wore a trenchcoat.

I would always see Robert Perry and Chris Morris argue a lot in the hallways.

Chris Morris "didn't like" the jocks, for some reason why, I'm not totally aware of what that occurred, at the school the year prior.

I remember one video the mafia made. (Not necessarily with Eric and Dylan)

But the video was that we made a dummy out of pillows, and we dressed it up, in football gear.

And they we "assaulted" the dummy to death.

I was off campus the entire time, during the shooting for lunch and I don't have anything to add or share here for my interview.

Thank you for your time.

It's possible to make pipe bombs within, a few days but, Eric or Dylan would never really discussed that kind of stuff with me.