JestaAriadne Date: 2002-01-14 Ch: 1 Signed
wow- you're one of the most thought provoking people out there! Right. MY opinion... OK, I actually am a Christian and therefore do believe in God & Jesus and 'all that stuff'... I won't be able to explain everything I understand or believe here and I don't understand everything (duh!) so I won't try, but a coupla things. I certainly don't believe we're living in a perfect world right now. Jesus came to save everyone so that we can know that things WILL be good - in the end, whenever that's gonna be. And of course there's the whole "If God is love, why does he allow suffering??" and I can't say I completely know that one. I don't believe that God WANTS us to suffer, but sometimes its our own fault or the fault of other people obviously. I read a poem once about war and God and it was saying that God must be in the worst, hardest, saddest position out of anyone in the middle of a war, cos he's seeing all his people killing each other. I suppose he could just magically zap people, but then what would happen to our free will which we seem to like so much? God is a comfort, certainly, but I don't think merely a comfort object- the comfort comes from the assurance of someone being out there - the only one who really knows what's happening in the world and who can bring about good in the end and who really cares about everyone.
OK... I'm not preaching or forcing my opinion on anyone; you didn't have to read this people! I know I didn't explain very satisfactorily; I'm not very good at explaining anything. This is just my belief.
Figure it out. () Date: 2001-12-29 Ch: 1 Anonymous
Looks like "God" had to bend to Satan's level in the Book of Job. And they were talking about infinite wisdom... omnipotence doesn't seem to be all it's cut out to be.
I quite agree with all said so far. But if there is a God, and this socalled Scripture is correct, it's either a cruel one or one that has no other recourse than to torture its creations.
True omnipotence has no limits. So either God doesn't care or he doesn't exist or he's not omnipotent.
As far as offending people goes, offense starts with the thought of what some might call "sin". Not the action of writing. It's possible to offend others simply by existing. Don't worry about it.
Kurayami Date: 2001-12-28 Ch: 1 Signed
Hm. Does God exist and if so why does he allow us to be tortured? Those are questions that I don't think we are meant to know. I don't think humans have the capability of understand God completely (should he exist at all.)I understand how you feel, for I am in the process of doubting his existance as well but I'll tell you what I have decided for myself.
In the case of Job, Satan bet God that he could turn any of his followers away from him and since Job was too faithful for his own good Satan chose him. God gave human the power of free will. In a sense, he was proof that we can make the right choices. No matter what happened Job chose to stay with God. If God had interferred, then the point wouldn't have been proven to Satan.
Religion is a hazt subject and I, myself, am not fond of organized religions. I think that if God exits our relationship with him should be personal. At the moment, I don't care if he does or not. I live according to my own morals and judgement. That is free will. He gave us the rigt. We should utilize.
lizardbreath Date: 2001-12-27 Ch: 1 Signed
This was a very nice and strong piece. I thought it was very nice, but then again, I am coming from the same standpoint. I too question this kind of stuff. I also question the 'stupidity' (not trying to be offensive to anyone who reads this) of people sometimes. If g-d gives us a brain than why don't we use it? Your writing was excellent.
wow- you're one of the most thought provoking people out there! Right. MY opinion... OK, I actually am a Christian and therefore do believe in God & Jesus and 'all that stuff'... I won't be able to explain everything I understand or believe here and I don't understand everything (duh!) so I won't try, but a coupla things. I certainly don't believe we're living in a perfect world right now. Jesus came to save everyone so that we can know that things WILL be good - in the end, whenever that's gonna be. And of course there's the whole "If God is love, why does he allow suffering??" and I can't say I completely know that one. I don't believe that God WANTS us to suffer, but sometimes its our own fault or the fault of other people obviously. I read a poem once about war and God and it was saying that God must be in the worst, hardest, saddest position out of anyone in the middle of a war, cos he's seeing all his people killing each other. I suppose he could just magically zap people, but then what would happen to our free will which we seem to like so much? God is a comfort, certainly, but I don't think merely a comfort object- the comfort comes from the assurance of someone being out there - the only one who really knows what's happening in the world and who can bring about good in the end and who really cares about everyone.
OK... I'm not preaching or forcing my opinion on anyone; you didn't have to read this people! I know I didn't explain very satisfactorily; I'm not very good at explaining anything. This is just my belief.
Figure it out. () Date: 2001-12-29 Ch: 1 Anonymous
Looks like "God" had to bend to Satan's level in the Book of Job. And they were talking about infinite wisdom... omnipotence doesn't seem to be all it's cut out to be.
I quite agree with all said so far. But if there is a God, and this socalled Scripture is correct, it's either a cruel one or one that has no other recourse than to torture its creations.
True omnipotence has no limits. So either God doesn't care or he doesn't exist or he's not omnipotent.
As far as offending people goes, offense starts with the thought of what some might call "sin". Not the action of writing. It's possible to offend others simply by existing. Don't worry about it.
Kurayami Date: 2001-12-28 Ch: 1 Signed
Hm. Does God exist and if so why does he allow us to be tortured? Those are questions that I don't think we are meant to know. I don't think humans have the capability of understand God completely (should he exist at all.)I understand how you feel, for I am in the process of doubting his existance as well but I'll tell you what I have decided for myself.
In the case of Job, Satan bet God that he could turn any of his followers away from him and since Job was too faithful for his own good Satan chose him. God gave human the power of free will. In a sense, he was proof that we can make the right choices. No matter what happened Job chose to stay with God. If God had interferred, then the point wouldn't have been proven to Satan.
Religion is a hazt subject and I, myself, am not fond of organized religions. I think that if God exits our relationship with him should be personal. At the moment, I don't care if he does or not. I live according to my own morals and judgement. That is free will. He gave us the rigt. We should utilize.
lizardbreath Date: 2001-12-27 Ch: 1 Signed
This was a very nice and strong piece. I thought it was very nice, but then again, I am coming from the same standpoint. I too question this kind of stuff. I also question the 'stupidity' (not trying to be offensive to anyone who reads this) of people sometimes. If g-d gives us a brain than why don't we use it? Your writing was excellent.