PHO Finds Out

Topic: Downfall
In: Boards ► Capes ► Brockton Bay ► General

3ndless (The Guy in the Know) (Original Poster)
Posted on August 13, 2011:
Yeah so the Empire is fucked.

Celestial Being just posted this over on their thread: link. Apparently, Hookwolf and some goons tried to grab a girl of the street.

It was Newtype.

Newtype and Celestial Being have now declared that they will not respect the Empire's secret identities.

So yeah.

Empire is fucked?

UPDATED: And holy shit that was fast. Celestial Being's original post can be found here. They've since amended it. The other link now goes to an updated one they put up a few hours ago. The PRT and Protectorate responses can be found here and here. The Empire has issued no response, presumably because they're all in jail?

STATUS:
-Cricket, arrested
-Stormtiger, arrested
-Fenja, arrested
-Menja, arrested
-Krieg, hospitalized (drug overdose? rumor)
-Hookwolf, hospitalized

So. That was the last big gang in Brockton Bay. They're all gone now.

EDIT: And stop posting real names. The board rules are clear. We don't post real names, even for villains, unless they're the ones saying it.

UPDATE: The PRT has confirmed that everyone but Kaiser is in custody. There were about two dozen injuries in Newtype's initial attack and Medhall has been all but shut down pending the corruption investigations announced last week.

UPDATE: Yes. Newtype attacked the Empire's capes in their civilian identities. I honestly don't find it surprising. She straight up warned the villains she'd do it months ago.

UPDATE: Yes. Newtype apparently did cut out Hookwolf's eyes during their fight. Can we please stop breaking forum rules while talking about it? The mods and admins are banning people. They've had enough.

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► Holla
Replied on August 13, 2011:
Three for three! WOOOOO!

► O'Really
Replied on August 13, 2011:
So wait, this is serious? Newtype beat the Empire?

► Axis of Righteousness
Replied on August 13, 2011:
Celestial Being demolished the Empire.

► DanceDance Escalation
Replied on August 13, 2011:
The videos online right now are insane. You can literally find a few showing Newtype throwing Hookwolf through the air and blowing a building down right on top him!

► Char
Replied on August 13, 2011:
Why do I only find out about these things on PHO?

► ISawThat
Replied on August 13, 2011:
I SAW THE WHOLE THING!

There were explosions and stuff and the suits were flying around. Before I could even figure out what was going on, she'd dropped a building on Hookwolf and beat Fenja and Menja.

It was kind of like this, only with less signs and more robots.

And she did it by going after their civilian IDs after they went after hers!

MOD NOTE: It is still against site rules to out capes and at least for the moment the names of the Empire's capes have not been confirmed ~ Tin Mother

► PimpleTopper
Replied on August 13, 2011:
She actually did it? She hit the Empire in their own homes?

New Wave must be feeling some catharsis right now.

► ISawThat
Replied on August 13, 2011:
She blew right into Medhall and attacked Kaiser and the Valkyrie twins. Fought on her own too for a bit before StarGazer showed up with Queen Gundam.

► Hans88
Replied on August 13, 2011:
Char, because the media is controlled by the jews

► Popper
Replied on August 13, 2011:
It's bullshit that comments like that aren't against site rules.

► Otaku Collect
Replied on August 13, 2011:
ISawThat, Queen Gundam?

► ISawThat
Replied on August 13, 2011:
It's the name of the second suit. The first (I guess it's actually the fourth?) is Gundam Exia. I've got all the models!

► Otaku Collect
Replied on August 13, 2011:
There are models?!

► Cape-A-Palooza (Groupies)
Replied on August 13, 2011:
We sell Gundam models officially from Newtype! Just walk down a block from the PRT building we're right off Lord Street! We also have an online store but be warned the kits sell out fast!

► Hans88
Replied on August 13, 2011:
Popper, just telling the truth

► BACK IN CAPS
Replied on August 13, 2011:
I'm not sure if I should be happy the Nazis finally got what they had coming, or if I should be angry it took this damn long to happen.

► Osiris Green
Replied on August 13, 2011:
Newtype and the rest of Celestial Being are real fucking heroes.

► Hans88
Replied on August 13, 2011:
I'm hearing she cut Hookwolf's eyes out. Very heroic.

► ShoopHoop
Replied on August 13, 2011:
Stop making shit up.

► Char
Replied on August 13, 2011:
She wouldn't do that.

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► Empire4Ever (BANNED)
Replied on August 13, 2011:
This user has been banned.

► RaptorZeus
Replied on August 13, 2011:
Jesus dude

► ChocoNoso
Replied on August 13, 2011:
Reported.

Seriously, wtf is wrong with you?

► Tin Mother (Administrator)
Replied on August 13, 2011:
There's been enough of that.

This thread is now on watch. Threatening violence, outing capes, speculating on cape identities, and wishing violent crimes against capes are all against forum rules. From this point forward the admin and mod teams will be handing out bans.

► Vindicate
Replied on August 13, 2011:
So it's okay for Newtype to cut out a man's eyes but anyone who points out the same could happen to her is breaking the rules?

► 3ndless (The Guy in the Know) (Original Poster)
Replied on August 13, 2011:
I think it was more the threatening to go to her house and cut out her eyes and posting an address.

► NeverForget
Replied on August 14, 2011:
Serves him fucking right. If a murderer came at me, I'd cut his eyes out too given the chance.

► JusticeWarrior
Replied on August 14, 2011:
Damn straight. What? A little over half a year and all three of the big gangs in Brockton Bay are toast? Why do we even have the Protectorate?

► ForumMonkey
Replied on August 14, 2011:
Is the PRT going to arrest Newtype?

► Char
Replied on August 14, 2011:
They can't do that.

► TGoodMarsh L.
Replied on August 14, 2011:
JusticeWarrior, because the Protectorate doesn't let teenage girls cut a man's eyes out? That's not heroism. It's not even vigilantism. It's sociopathic.

► H. Major
Replied on August 14, 2011:
Who cares? He's a Nazi.

► Hans88
Replied on August 14, 2011:
Ever notice how Nazis are the only people you can subject to any amount of violence and no one cares?

► NeverForget
Replied on August 14, 2011:
Yeah, because you're fucking Nazis.

► BahDumDum
Replied on August 14, 2011:
There is such a thing as a stupid question. Never let anyone tell you otherwise.

► Hans88
Replied on August 14, 2011:
Who said I'm a Nazi?

► PJF
Replied on August 14, 2011:
Not sure if serious…

ForumMonkey, don't know. They haven't said anything like that. Her response to the attack was extreme though, truth about Nazis and how little we care aside.

► Schwartz_Bruder (Unverified Cape)
Replied on August 14, 2011:
I'm certainly no Nazi and I'm saying Newtype made a mistake.

The Empire isn't dumb enough to go after her like this. They were set up and Newtype was used to get rid of them. It's the only way this makes sense.

The question is who did it. I've got a few theories I'm looking into.

► Hans88
Replied on August 14, 2011:
More make believe from the guy who can't even spell the name right?

► Bagrat (The Guy in the Know) (Veteran Member)
Replied on August 14, 2011:
He was right about Bastard Son and Wells Fargo and he was absolutely right about Medhall.

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► PJF
Replied on August 14, 2011:
Hans88, pretty seriously, come on. How fucking stupid do you think we are?

► Schwartz_Bruder (Unverified Cape)
Replied on August 15, 2011:
Newtype definitely made a mistake.

One of the guys they arrested for going after her? His name is Eric Hamlen. He's old school neo-Nazi and I recognized his name. He used to be pretty big in the Empire but he got sidelined hard after Othala was captured. He's been out of favor ever since.

No one in the Empire would give him anything important to do, but he might be desperate enough to be goaded into doing something.

Check here. I've compiled a bunch of social media posts together. I've edited out Newtype's real name and blacked out the photos.

Looks like the kidnapping was proposed as some kind of blackmail scheme. A way to get an inside man at Newtype's factory. Hookwolf isn't mentioned in any of these posts, so I'm not sure how he got involved but I think his presence was a fortuitous coincidence. Newtype was never the target, her civilian identity's parent was.

This is definitely a frame job, but I honestly can't tell who set it up. Not enough data. Presumably it's someone new. Maybe the Elite. This is similar to a scam they ran in Atlanta back in 95 (ish). They got rid of an entire corporate team by setting them up to attack a villain in her own home. The team got shut down by the end of the month.

► Thinker101
Replied on August 14, 2011:
How the hell is Kaiser still free? It's been a whole day.

EDIT: Mother of all ninjas batman!

► VicksVapoTub
Replied on August 14, 2011:
That's… Wow.

The posts have everything. You can even see whoever that White guy is goading Hamlen along in some of them, pushing him to do it!

And fuck now I feel kind of bad for a Nazi.

► Schwartz_Bruder (Unverified Cape)
Replied on August 15, 2011:
Yeah. John White doesn't exist. I've checked. The account is a fake accessed through a VPN. Some of the pictures in the profile are from winter sports magazines from the early 90s and that address goes right in Hudson Bay. It's not real.

► 3ndless (The Guy in the Know) (Original Poster)
Replied on August 15, 2011:
Schwartz, you need to edit that right now.

You've blacked out the name and pictures, but the posts still give way too much info on Newtype. Her description, age, and details about both of her parents. It's enough that someone could hunt down her real ID.

► XxVoid_CowboyxX
Replied on August 15, 2011:
And I'm done. I don't know what possessed you to even remotely put a name in this post but patience for your carelessness has officially run out. You may request a lifting of your ban in 12 months, though I wouldn't hold any breath. ~ Tin Mother

► Flighto o'Fancy
Replied on August 15, 2011:
Not cool Void. Edit that post right now!

► DisGunBGud
Replied on August 15, 2011:
Void's house exploding in 3, 2, 1

EDIT: Ban hamma swing!

► SuckerPunched
Replied on August 15, 2011:
Damnit Void

► ThePurple1 (Verified HARO)
Replied on August 15, 2011:
Pay up, pay up

► Schwartz_Bruder (Unverified Cape)
Replied on August 15, 2011:
3ndless, working on it. Not sure how much I can block out without rendering the posts completely useless though.

► Tin Mother (Administrator)
Replied on August 15, 2011:
Schwartz_Bruder, do. I am blocking out the URL for now. Resubmit the information to me in a PM and if it is properly sanitized I will consider restoring the link.

This information, unedited, may additionally be of use to the PRT. I'd suggest sending it to them.

EDIT: Link restored.

► Char
Replied on August 15, 2011:
If the Empire really didn't do it, who did?

► Schwartz_Bruder (Unverified Cape)
Replied on August 15, 2011:
I honestly don't know. I'm not magic.

EDIT: Fixed.

► Sucker Punched
Replied on August 15, 2011:
ThePurple1, bloody doombot

► ThePurple1 (Verified HARO)
Replied on August 15, 2011:
Doom doom doom doom

► InsertGrr
Replied on August 15, 2011:
Fuck they found out about Invader Zim. Let's hope they haven't seen the episode with the Hamster yet.

*prays for giant tinkertech hamsters*

► TheBlack1 (Verified HARO)
Replied on August 15, 2011:
White winter or roborovskii?

► Georgios
Replied on August 15, 2011:
And now there's a black one

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► ActuallyImpressed
Replied on August 15, 2011:
I have to admit, I am actually impressed (I know right?)

5 pages and we're still going on about how Georgios is a racist against black robots.

► Forecast (Verified Cape) (Celestial Being)
Replied on August 15, 2011:
Black bots matter

► SawitC0ming
Replied on August 15, 2011:
This is the best thread ever

► Megusmind
Replied on August 15, 2011:
Okay, hold up. I think I'm over thinking this. Maybe.

So right. No judging people by skin color. Cool. Got it. No problem. But like, so say your gameboy has feelings. Is it racist to like a red gameboy more than a blue gameboy? I mean it's my gameboy but if the gameboy has feeling that's like slavery or some shit how do we deal with that?

► Valens
Replied on August 15, 2011:
You're overthinking

► AllSeeingEye
Replied on August 15, 2011:
Is he though?

I mean, think about it. We keep finding out that animals are capable of emotional connections. Assuming a machine exists that can do the same, how exactly do we fit that 'might as well have a soul' existence into an egalitarian society?

If it breaks into someone's home, is it liable criminally or is it 'just a machine.'

► Valens
Replied on August 15, 2011:
You're still overthinking it

► StarGazer (Verified Cape) (Celestial Being)
Replied on August 15, 2011:
Megusmind, I suspect you will be fine as long as you judge the machine by the content of its character rather than the color of its casing. The gameboy, like a human being, does not chose the latter.

The machines I know are simply happy to be of service. It is what they are made for, but that is perhaps something that will change some day. Morality will need to adapt to new realities in a world of manufactured consciousnesses designed to fulfill certain needs.

Per AllSeeingEye, if a machine's personal items are stolen, has a crime been committed?

► Megamind
Replied on August 15, 2011:
Oh. Neat!

I'm still confused… Like, does my gameboy have a soul? Theoretically, I mean.

► Georgios
Replied on August 15, 2011:
Machines don't have souls

► O'Really
Replied on August 15, 2011:
Georgios, just the black ones?

► Georgious
Replied on August 15, 2011:
No not just the black ones damnnit. All of them.

► TheBlack1 (Verified HARO)
Replied on August 15, 2011:
Soulist

► SawitC0ming
Replied on August 15, 2011:
Just put the machines in camps why don't you.

TheBlack1, HA!

► Sliptock
Replied on August 15, 2011:
I suspect that comment will age marvelously.

► Hans88
Replied on August 15, 2011:
Even when mocking someone else the Empire is still the joke.

► nFrosty
Replied on August 15, 2011:
Oh yeah, that's a real shame.

► 3ndless (Guy in the Know) (Original Poster)
Replied on August 15, 2011:
Wonder if he'll ever notice the entire thread is trolling him

► Char
Replied on August 15, 2011:
Georgios or Hans?

► 3ndless (Guy in the Know) (Original Poster)
Replied on August 15, 2011:
Both

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► Rabid Rabbit
Replied on August 14, 2011:
Seriously, she cut a man's eyes out. How does that not matter?

► Bartomwolf
Replied on August 14, 2011:
Because what goes around comes around.

► CouchPotato
Replied on August 15, 2011:
I mean, I kind of care. Just not enough to do anything about it.

► LawnOrder
Replied on August 15, 2011:
Fuck nazis.

That said, heroes can't go around cutting out people's eyes. That's fucked up.

► Punisher
Replied on August 15, 2011:
Maybe there'd be fewer villains if being an inhuman prick resulted in having your eyes cut out.

► Shethinksshe'sfunny
Replied on August 15, 2011:
Look on the bright side.

Now he's color blind.

► Mr. Mumbles
Replied on August 15, 2011:
Come on. She cut a man's eyes out!

Seriously, how is this not an issue for people?

► WGAS
Replied on August 15, 2011:
Nazis eyes. More specifically, Nazi murderer eyes.

I'm only hoping he still gets sent to the Birdcage. If anyone ever belonged there, it's Hookwolf.

► Love and War
Replied on August 15, 2011:
I'm not exactly sympathetic to his plight, but isn't that basically a death sentence?

► Djbirloholic
Replied on August 15, 2011:
Probably. Would be cleaner to just execute him.

A black man with no powers kills a kid in a gangland shooting and gets the needle. Hookwolf kills a father of three and a mother of two, escapes custody twice, and he gets life in prison.

Really feeling the equality there.

► O'Really
Replied on August 15, 2011:
Great, now we can add BC to the mocking list

► Char
Replied on August 15, 2011:
He kind of has a point.

► Conscious Objective
Replied on August 15, 2011:
Is it even possible to execute Hookwolf? He's like made of metal and stuff.

► Alex Andy
Replied on August 15, 2011:
I'm all for taking a stab at it anyway.

► SSFan
Replied on August 15, 2011:
Pretty sure Shadow Stalker got in a lot of trouble for things less than cutting out eyes.

EDIT: Not that SS. Look I've tried changing my screen name but PHO mods only let you do it once!

► PLF
Replied on August 15, 2011:
*squints*

► LoopthaHoops
Replied on August 15, 2011:
Oh look another Nazi.

► 3ndless (The Guy in the Know) (Original Poster)
Replied on August 15, 2011:
SSFan isn't a Nazi. Just a Shadow Stalker fan who didn't think their username all the way through. Lighten up on him. He really has tried to change it.

► Char
Replied on August 15, 2011:
SSFan, you think Newtype deserves that? At least she cares about people. She's helping.

► SSFan
Replied on August 15, 2011:
Don't get me wrong. Newtype's cleaning up the trash. I'm saying the Protectorate hates it when someone shows them up and look what happened to Stalker?

She vanished for months and then she's just dead.

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► Bagrat (The Guy in the Know) (Veteran Member)
Replied on August 15, 2011:
I think we get it. A hero cutting a villain's eyes out is extreme stuff. Can we stop lambasting the point?

I think we need to keep in mind that often our expectations are unrealistic. Some villains are murderers. Murderers with super powers. I'm not sure we can honestly expect heroes to only ever be boy scouts while dealing with some of them, especially brutes who just attacked you in your civilian ID.

Also he's a Nazi, so yeah.

► O'Really
Replied on August 15, 2011:
Bagrat nails it.

People need to stop expecting heroes to be comic book characters and accept that they're real people dealing with some real assholes and in that mess some of them are going to get fucked up.

► BCesus
Replied on August 15, 2011:
Real people who can blow cities into oblivion

► Call0ut
Replied on August 15, 2011:
Its a special thread that has the Nazis, Blue Cosmos, and Georgios all making fools of themselves.

► Han88
Replied on August 15, 2011:
Gotta love the intolerance in this thread.

► Popper
Replied on August 15, 2011:
I didn't realize you were being dragged into the gas chambers already. I thought we settled for mocking your childish antics with mean words.

► Hans88
Replied on August 15, 2011:
I need to stop going to this pussy ass circle jerk. I was having such a good day.

► Schwartz_Bruder (Unverified Cape)
Replied on August 15, 2011:
Living in ignorance is not a good day. The Empire aren't even good Nazis.

Track their guns through the supply chain and you find out they're buying them from the same guys south of the Border supplying the streets with coke and weed. The Cartels are the main suppliers for all the guns Newtype has been destroying.

One of the groups they sell drugs to is the Storm Angels, a biker gang. The Storm Angels are all white, but more by coincidence than ideology. The Angels sell those drugs to bunch of different groups including the Black Guerrilla Family, the original rivals of the Aryan Brotherhood.

And it is just a pet theory, but in 2009, two Gesellschaft capes (Baron and Wikinger) were killed by the DAP, the German Worker's Party. You'd think they were Nazis from the name, but they're actually Anarcho-Communists (they are nativist though). Baron was a point of contact between Gesellschaft and the Empire. A week after he and Wikinger died prescription meds started showing up in bulk in the Hamburg area via proxies. That's DAP territory. Coincidence?

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The Empire is not about white power, just money.

► WazzUp
Replied on August 15, 2011:
Why would the Empire need to buy guns from Mexico? Guns are everywhere in the US.

► Rick Astley (Verified Rick Astley)
Replied on August 15, 2011:
I really should know better.

► Hans88
Replied on August 15, 2011:
Only thing I see is shit coming out of your mouth 'brother'.

► meansynic
Replied on August 15, 2011:
Let me get this strait

The Empire is buying guns from brown guys, selling drugs to black guys, and supplying intel to communists to kill other Nazis?

► Alpha_Church
Replied on August 15, 2011:
They're not just Nazis, they're also team killing fucktard Nazis. That's like, two things they are that we can all hate.

► Schwartz_Bruder (Unverified Cape)
Replied on August 15, 2011:
WazzUp, sure, guns are a lot easier to get in the US than other places but getting guns in bulk is virtually impossible with all the laws passed in 2007. ATF is watching bulk and coordinated purchase orders hard. If you want enough guns to take over a city you have to buy out of South America and Africa these days.

meansynic, after you cut out all the middle men.

Alpha_Church, basically yes?

► DanceDanceEscalation
Replied on August 15, 2011:
Seriously, where do you find this stuff?

► Dr. Jones
Replied on August 15, 2011:
Top men.

► Timothy610
Replied on August 15, 2011:
So, the Empire is all about money?

► O'Really
Replied on August 15, 2011:
Pretty sure the only thing most nazis care about is money. It's all bullshit.

► cape in a suit
Replied on August 15, 2011:
The real question is, does Coil consider his plan to destroy the Empire a success?

► 3ndless (The Guy in the Know) (Original Poster)
Replied on August 15, 2011:
Wait waht?

Cape in a suit. Drudging up the old wives tale and using it against her target. How very clever. The stories were so old now. It would never cross anyone's mind someone had stumbled into taking advantage of it. And sabotaging the Empire's relationship with Gesellschaft by pointing out Kaiser's hypocrisy. Leaking her own identity.

Now that was inventive.

"Well played."

Fortuna closed the web browser and shut the computer down.

She rose from the seat and turned to leave the office. The clock on the desk struck midnight. The guard would come by on his nightly patrol soon, just in time to see her leave.

It was nostalgic wearing her old attire. She particularly missed the Fedora. Such a stylish garment, even if the past few years had turned it into something of a cliche. A good hat in her mind all the same, and excellent for a special occasion.

Not often she found herself furthering someone else's goals. Such a pleasant change of pace, and so very curious. Her part was small of course, and perhaps unnecessary in the grand scheme. It was a good plan, and Thomas was such a paranoid man. He'd buy into it easily and never see the wool over his eyes.

A brief appearance on her part only sealed the deal further.

She waited and at the right moment said, "Door." She sighed when nothing happened. She shouldn't feel frustrated, but it did used to be so much easier. "Please."

The portal opened. She left the halls of Fortress Construction behind and the confused guard as well. She needed to get dressed.

Miss Relena had an appointment to keep.