Jess will very likely be taking a break from Homestuck (and this, consequently) due to medical issues, so I can't say when the next chapter will be up, if any. Therefore, I am putting up the rest of that conversation (which has tragically turned into a rather one-sided pile of research anyway) up to what I submitted today. Hopefully she's just fine and will be able to get back to this eventually, but right now there's absolutely no pressure.

Special shout out to JExy-tan for noticing that in this flash (mspaintadventures(dot)com/?s=6&p=003568) we see the kids' guardians fighting their denizens (presumably), which leads one to believe that we missed many other pivotal plot points throughout this whole comic and may have to reread it all again! And also a thanks to you for keeping up the conversation when Jessica was too busy!

More random, potentially-but-probably-not related research here (really, it's more of a lens that you can look through when reading the comic and its characters) and it's very one-sided. I hope to be able to talk more about this soon, but I can't really say. If not, thanks for being interested this far and I hope we were able to spark some interest and help to make some connections. :)

Ursca on DA, if you ever see this, sorry about the gender thing. I think I just started switching genders with each sentence because I decided that you are some sort of hermaphrodite or someone who can switch, just like every other anonymous on the internet. But your art is amazing!

Also, I still haven't seen any erotic alien-taboo troll/human fics! What's up with that?

KALYN

I JUST FUCKING SAW DAVE WALKING DOWN MY STREET.

I mean...a blond dude wearing a shirt that looks like Dave's...

KALYN

Timeline's linear again.

Sort of.

Catch up first, cause I'm about to dish some spoilers.

KALYN

Karkat, from right before he has to take care of a murderous Gamzee, talks to Jade and tells her that he believes he is in a doomed timeline, because everyone is just dying. He also blames the failures of both games on himself now instead of the human kids. He thinks that he fucked up the frog genome project (Kanaya was right about that) and, when they made that frog (which turned out to also be the kids' universe...a giant frog is also a universe. That's how they made the universe, by making the frog.) he thought it looked sick because it was missing a critical gene. And then he said he gave it cancer. He gave the universe cancer.

This is obviously that tumor thing, but I think the pun on his astrological sign is hilarious.

Anyway. I fucking love this update, I could stare at that giant pulsating rainbow frog universe for hours. On acid. Listening to MGMT. Fucking yes.

JESSICA

So, did you notice that Karkat totally knew it was Gamzee? Although this feels like standard procedure for Gamz, asking for sloppy makeout sessions. It's like his schtick or something. Ok, I will know continue reading (and I will get back to you on the other stuff, i just need to freaking take notes for it all, and I need syphon through your Criminal Minds ff stuff. That might be what threw me off in the first place .)

So it's only the one panel this time? And I agree, the whole cancer thing was funny.

Lol, that would be some trip, huh?

They all ready covered that the universe was made by a frog, I thought, didn't they?

And did I read right that you think the The Tumor was the hiccup in the genetic sequence? Because if that's the case, then Kar didn't totally mess everything up. He only allowed the two groups to actually meet. See Karkat? Not everything is bad

KALYN

Yes I did notice. Remember back when I was trying to figure out Karkat's thoughts when he answered that message? I think we came to the conclusion that he knew it was Gamzee and assumed Terezi was dead. Don't worry about the Criminal Minds stuff, haha. Sorry about all that. But I was watching that show today, and let me tell you it is the ONLY show I have ever seen that showed a trial (as in legal trial, court case, judge and jury stuff) accurately. They were spot on with the procedures and everything, it was beautiful. I guess yeah, the vast croak was the big bang, made by a frog, but I didn't realize that the universe WAS a frog... And I think the Tumor was the cancer Karkat was talking about, so yeah, I guess that would make it the hiccup in the sequence, which isn't a totally bad thing if it lets them meet...And it would make sense that resetting the game would fix the whole problem since Karkat's blaming the entire fuck up on his general capacity to screw things up from the get go.

JESSICA

Poor Karkat though it's not surprising. Hmmm, maybe Karkat believed he deserved to be raped by Gamzee (so morbid ):O ) but, really, if Terezi was dead, and Kar KNEW it was Gamz, then what other reason would he have gone up there for? Guh!

KALYN

Confrontation? I think he realized shit was going down, and someone had to do something about it.

KALYN

Hey so someone on DA called Ursca drew the denizens (3 of them anyway, among a bunch of other amazing things) and they look totally awesome. Typheus looks just as horrifying as I would imagine! Here, check out her stuff. ursca(dot)deviantart(dot)com/gallery/

KALYN

Or his. I always assume everyone on the internet is a she. So, check out his/her stuff, I guess.

JESSICA

Is Ursca one of the artists for Homestuck? Because that's what it looks like.

KALYN

Could be, I guess. I honestly have no idea. It's not pixelated or anything like I would expect from the comic though, she could just be a fan. But what do I know? I know that she's really fucking good is all.

JESSICA

That is very true. There should be a list on the extras page or something. I might check it out later

KALYN

Would you know if it was him? What if it didn't say Ursca? If you found one of the pictures from his gallery somewhere on the MSPA site I guess you would know then.

KALYN

So apparently Bec Noir is that cancer. How did he get out of the humans' session again? I'm liking that countdown, it lets me know how close the climax of this giant clusterfucked universe of a comic is. XD

My ships are sinking.

I don't like Terezi that much. Or Vriska. STOP MESSING WITH MY PAIRING YOU HUSSIES!

And we are still left with the question of what will happen once the scratch has been ...scratched and the kids and trolls have finally met? What will they do then? Clearly not save the universe, since the scratch prevents that and they've all fucked it up too much (Karkat). Just...float around in Dream Bubbles for all of eternity? What about those abominations Rose always talks to? Hmmmmmmmmmm...

JESSICA

Ok, Jack got out via the scratch they make using the tumor. Who knows what they will do once they all join up? Maybe they will go and stop Jack? Maybe they will just have a huge orgy because of all the suppressed hormones they couldn't express properly through the pesterlog.

So I was really disapointed when I tried to see Gamzee and Dave's conversation, but Gamzee just shook his head at me! That coy devil! I'm assuming the same happened to you though

I think you should go to the music, listen to the new Wanderer's album and listen to Mayor Maynot It is really hilarious about half way through. I think you and Morgan will especially appreciate it

KALYN

we have listened to it. LOVE IT. it's my favorite album of theirs. it makes me want to create animated videos for it. of the wanderers... yeah

oh, and this is morgan... not sure why kalyn was logged on on my acounty thingy...

Actually Kalyn now. I believe I mentioned before that The Wanderers is the coolest HS soundtrack.

KALYN

I just read Gamzee's and Dave's conversation, apparently it updated since then. I haven't finished it, so I guess I'm commenting on it here as I go through it. First of all, it's confusing with the picture because there seems to be another Gamzee running around with the powers of Dave's Bro. He even puts Lil Cal right beside Gamzee. I'm slightly confused. Why would there be two Gamzees? And isn't Bro dead at this point? Is there someone being a Gamzee/Bro imposter? Who knows...

Also he probably gave Dave the idea to send him that ICP video during this conversation, so ultimately it's his fault anyway.

We do hear about Gamzee's religion though, and what's in that prophecy that he believes so much in.

The Vast Honk sounds very close to the Vast Croak (or whatever that was) that began the universe. It would make a lot of sense if this prophecy was about him and the other trolls all along.

KALYN

And Gamzee's basically pissed because apparently ICP was the answer to his religion. Just like he didn't want to know about science because it took away the miracles, the video just explained how his religion came to be, and it wasn't miraculous anymore. That was the blasphemy of it.

Now that Dave's made him question his faith, he doesn't see a reason for anything anymore.

KALYN

Delirious Biznasty message board is hilarious. "Dude I hit a bird bath and broke my collarbone. I'm hungry." "Was it the same collarbone you broke before? Make that hunger your bitch." "You should buy a new bird bath. That shit's messed up." "It was the same collarbone. Nah, the bird bath's fine." And then some random dude like "Faaaaaaaaaaagzzzzzzz! Peace out!"

KALYN

And freaking Betty Crocker gave Dave that music video. Is Betty Crocker some villain that foresaw the events of Gamzee's murderous rage as the effect of this video being shown to him through Dave? Betty Crocker's the one that planted this fucking seed in the first place, causing the deaths of many trolls! Fucking Betty Crocker.

KALYN

I think Gamzee's blaming himself a little bit for the cancerous universe of the humans as well. He says he made it terminal. With clowns. Apparently he's the one that affected John's dreams with clowns (by thinking reeeaalllly hard about it!) and caused lots of clowny things to be ingrained in this whole webcomic as an effect.

Which apparently is cancerous.

Gamzee knows Dave's fears. Of Lil Cal. How did he find out about that? How did he get Cal again?

He knows that Bro is dead. How does he know all of this? Did Dave tell him before, was he dead when he sent that video? Why is Gamzee suddenly omnipotent? You'll probably remind me of some things again, but right now I am quite confused.

Oh God.

I think Cal told him.

I think Lil Cal told Gamzee everything about Dave and Bro.

Shit...

Gamzee's pretty sad about Tavros dying though.

Dave didn't help the situation though. He just told Gamzee to go kill people. Because Cal told him to.

Sounds like Gamzee's eating Tavros. "THIS PEANUT BUTTER SANDWICH I'M MOTHERFUCKING MAKING BETWEEN MY LIPS." He wants to add some of Dave's "STRAWBERRY JAM" to it.

They have an awesome rap-off. I hope we get to hear that soon.

KALYN

So the latest update is confusing. There's a fifth wall, Andrew Hussie is in God Tier form, and Aradia looks like an Asian maid (maid of time?) working for Doc Scratch. Scratch calls AH self-indulgent and says he doesn't fit into this universe. Why a fifth wall? Is that like the wall between an author and his works?

KALYN

Regardless, I'm not sure if it fits in with the plot. Usually when AH does his self-insertions, they're quite random and not really all that effectual to the universe.

JESSICA

Yeah, I see that Gamzee, he's really wierd

KALYN

Aradia is now Doc Scratch's maid? And she's pissed off at him for something and tries to fight him. He's rather immune to all of it though and even stops her breathing for a bit just by thinking about it. And they're headed to her home planet, if I've paid the right amount of attention. Why is she with him? I'm so confused...

KALYN

Oh now it looks like he's treating her as a spoiled, sheltered daughter. She has a frilly bed and a table and chairs that looks like it's for tea parties. And she threatens suicide. Losing her another privilege (electricity)... Hm. Still confused about how she got into this predicament.

KALYN

Remember when I said the kids were like the four humors? "LaHaye believes there are twelve mixtures of the four temperaments, representing people who have the traits of two temperaments, called Mel-Chlor, Chlor-San, San-Phleg, Phleg-Mel, Mel-San, Chlor-Phleg; and the reverse of these: Chlor-Mel, San-Chlor, Phleg-San, Mel-Phleg, San-Mel, and Phleg-Chlor. The order of temperaments in these pairs was based on which temperament was the "dominant" one (this is usually expressed by percentages)." Does this sound familiar? Notice the correlation between this and the 12 combinations of 4 DNA genome things? Could be similar to the trolls, and it might also have something to do with the humans that each troll interacts with. So if John was sanguine and Jade was melancholic, then Karkat, who spends most of his time talking to these two, could be San-Mel (with John as his primary correspondent and Jade as his secondary) or vise versa. Just something interesting to think about as well.

KALYN

Apparently the previous descriptions of the four temperaments I had used before were outdated, but the new ones don't deviate too much from them. Maybe a couple stray traits added or taken away, but generally the gist is the same.

KALYN

www(dot)goingthedistance(dot)org/pages(dot)asp?pageid=18155

Through reading and deciding and some processes of elimination (there were several that were between the same trolls, and we were getting to the point where it didn't matter all that much) Morgan and I have matched up the trolls to (what we think) is the best combinations of the four humors that fits each personality. If you click the link though, you'll see that it's all written through a Christian lens (which is kind of what made it more difficult to apply to the trolls, since it's irrelevant) and that's because the guy who wrote this and came up with the blending ideas was a Christian. But anyway: San-Chlor=Karkat; San-Mel=Equius; San-Pleg=Nepeta; Clor-San=Vriska; Chlor-Mel=Terezi; Chlor-Pleg=Aradia; Mel-San=Eridan; Mel-Chlor=Gamzee; Mel-Pleg=Sollux; Phleg-San=Tavros; Pleg-Chlor=Feferi; Phleg-Mel=Kanaya. Don't you just love how into this crap we get?

KALYN

Gar, I kept saying "Pleg." I meant "Phleg" for all of those. x_x

Shorter than most, but that's the rest of it, at least for now. Feel free to keep the conversation going in the reviews (there are already some points people brought up there that I haven't fully addressed here anyway, so if you're absolutely captivated by all of this, there are some fresh opinions for you). Thanks for everything, guys! :)