This one seems to end abruptly, but the next one starts kind of off topic. Whatever, who even cares anymore? Random plug: I love the song Russian Unicorn! Check it out on youtube if you haven't, it's actually really catchy. Ummm...again, if I haven't fixed a link, then it probably is from mspaintadventures, so whatever you see just goes at the end.
KALYN
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D'awwwww, Karkat! DX
KALYN
For the record, I blame the entire screw up on Vriska for making John go to sleep. Through cause and effect, Vriska killed Bro! DX
Speaking of Bro, yeah that sword in the record was his from that battle. Jack got it out and then gave it to him for their rematch.
KALYN
.com/?s=6&p=004848
What is going on in this cloud here?
KALYN
It's so weird to me that Vriska is kind of projecting her failed relationship with Tavros onto John. He's like...her compensation. Her second Tavros. Except it's more successful than her other one, but you know. It's like all of the trolls with their failed relationships are finding what they're looking for in the human kids. Poor kids.
KALYN
So Rose and Dave are talking about the Horrorterrors and Rose said they need her and Dave's help because they're being massacred, which is threatening the perpetuation of all reality. So is that what Lord English is doing? Threatening reality? So they have to take the Tumor to the Green Sun, his (my guess) source of power? Because green fire seems to be a trait of first guardians.
Okay. I think the point of the comic has become more clear to me now. It's to save all of reality by destroying the Green Sun, which is the source of those threatening reality.
That's their purpose. Anything else is generally secondary to that, since I think the perpetuation of reality is on a bit grander scale than any other problems.
KALYN
.com/?s=6&p=004942
This is what was going on in that cloud there.
KALYN
TT: It's a man who exists in another universe.
TT: He wants to die.
Explains why Doc Scratch might have been helping Rose, I guess. Does he really want to die? He always seemed so damn proud and pretentious. But whatever. Maybe when we actually meet Lord English, we'll see why being in his service for eternity would absolutely fucking suck.
KALYN
TT: He no longer has a purpose now that he's done everything required to summon his master.
TT: As a first guardian, he's completely indestructible.
That's why. Okay. So this is...long after Doc Scratch has completed his purpose. Long after we've seen him, I guess.
KALYN
Hm. I think each of their patron trolls have some sort of red feelings for the kids. Just sayin.
KALYN
Rose's patron troll (Kanaya, obviously) was referred to as a "fairy god troll" and the command was "Answer fairy god troll." Then Jade got the same command, but it was Tavros, so is he her patron troll, or was that just an allusion to his enamorment (not a word, I know) for fairies and Pupa Pan?
Hahaha, Jade's grandpa died in much a similar way as his own adoptive father. He was shot with the pistols accidentally.
D'aww, Tavros thinks Jade is pretty. Despite alien looks, he automatically thinks that, I think it's sweet.
KALYN
Oh wow Tavros is modeling himself after Vriska a little bit. When he's going on about how to have high self-esteem, and basically he wanted to involve himself in Jade's life a little bit and save her when she was little, because he wanted to be responsible for something like that and that's how one feels good about himself. So...does he see Vriska as the opposite of him? He has low self esteem, therefore she has high self esteem and must be doing something to have that? Wow, poor misguided Tavros.
KALYN
God, Vriska literally did every fucking thing she could to make sure Bec Noir happened. She put people to sleep so Bec would be prototyped, she mind-controlled CD to tell DD of the DNA sequence for Bec so they would create him-why? All because she wanted to be responsible for making the ultimate boss and then defeating him. She's like... there's a profile for this. Angel of Death. People who commit crimes so they can come in and be the hero.
She wanted to be a part of every major event. So this is what she was talking about with all her irons in the fire.
I love how Vriska has this like Nic Cage shrine in some corner of the lab.
KALYN
.com/?s=6&p=004969
She has very many irons in the fire.
KALYN
.com/?s=6&p=004971
KALYN
Hehe, found Lord English.
Apparently 612 is another significant number. It was notable to note on the video entitled "John: Rise Up" that it was the 612th day. And when Aradia was being random (or trying to) she randomly typed (413^612).
What are fraymotifs? Apparently Terezi sent Dave to get them all, but I don't know what they are.
KALYN
.com/?s=6&p=005064
I really hope this can be used later.
KALYN
"It is so fancy. You cannot imagine wearing it on anything other than super special occasions. Not to mention you'll freeze your ass off in this thing!" And yet, this is what she wears when she and Dave are hunting for frogs. What the hell.
KALYN
GG: werent you the guy who was always trying to hit on me?
CA: that couldvve been anyone
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
KALYN
GG: the guy who helps me build the present
GG: we worked on it together but he supplied the bunnys weapons
GG: im pretty sure hes from the future!
CA: wwhy
GG: because he said hes my grandson
Yeah, see? Grandson, it says here. So that's...still a possibility, I guess. Sort of? Maybe from wayyy in the future and stuff. Or it's grandpa, and he's being misleading.
KALYN
Seems like several people just wanted to be the one to kill Bec Noir. Eridan was hoping to use his science wands to do that.
So much crying. Sollux cries when Aradia blows up, Terezi cries when doomed Dave dies. Cry cry cry.
KALYN
Hm. Apparently Gamzee is "the most important character in Homestuck." According to this page.
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KALYN
This is after his murder spree, I think. At least after he killed Nepeta.
JESSICA
Ok, I agree with you about Vriska. Totally her fault. Actually, that was exactly what I was thinking while watching Jade: Enter. Well, that and "What the fuck, Li'l Cal!" He's everywhere! He just ... he's freaky!
But you know what, if Vriska hadn't done what she did, what would have happened? Everything would have been totally different. Karkat would have opened the door, and then who knows what would have happened?
JESSICA
I don't remember what's going on in that cloud, but it is familiar. Also, do you remember when we were talking about the blood color of the pawns? They both have red blood. Anything we had been talking about can basically be thrown out the window.
I can sort of see where you are getting at with the trolls are finding second chances with the kids thing. Who else finds a second chance? Terezi definitely, Kanaya potentially, Karkat sort of? But at least he has a moirail now.
Vriska doing everything she could to make sure Bec Noir came about intrigues me. She was talking to Doc Scratch before during her RPing, right? What if she was being influenced by him somehow? (And by somehow I mean reverse psychology.) And yeah, Tavros is a sweetheart.
JESSICA
He probably does see Vriska as the exact opposite of him. She does everything she wants to, she doesn't let anything hold her back (or at least very little holds her back). Tavros would fit in better among the kids. He just isn't cut out to be a troll XD He was considered a weakling by the trolls when he was in the wheelchair. Actually, who invited him? Karkat, Kanaya or Gamzee? They seem like the most likely candidates. Actually, it was Gamzee wasn't it?
JESSICA
Anyway, back to how he's a "weakling," he didn't kill any of the enemies, he just controlled them-Maybe that's another reason Tavros compares himself to Vriska? Vriska can control sentient creatures (trolls and humans) while he controls "brainless" animals. So maybe he sees that as a short-coming. They both have mind control, so why can't he control sentient creatures as well? Maybe, I'm just shooting in the dark here.
No matter what, Tavros seems like he belongs with the kids more than with the trolls. That is my semi-professional opinion.
JESSICA
You did indeed find Lord English!
"She has many irons in the fire" Does that refer to AH riding the Luck Dragon with Lord English's eyes? I never even realized that Vriska was controlling him. I just thought "Oh look, he's a Scorpio too!" Bin ich ein Dummkopf? Ja, ein bisschen.
JESSICA
I knew there was something somewhere about the mysterious helper being someone's grandson!
I found Lord English? .com/?s=6&p=005127
JESSICA
Actually, interesting to note, Lord Enlgish's coat has the same symbol as Dave's shirt .com/?s=6&p=005128
JESSICA
And jegus! Is no one allowed to cry?
Some of us need to release emotions!
I think that just about covers it for this time around! Other than Gamzee being the most important character. I have no idea what that means.
KALYN
That symbol on Dave's shirt was actually on AH's felt suit, not the coat.
I'm on recap #3 now!
He called Gamzee "the most important character in Homestuck" again.
Jadesprite really wants to die too, and I think since she's been prototyped with Bec, then destroying the Green Sun might do that for her.
Yeah, so Tavros is totally not her patron troll. It's been denounced, ignore what I said before. It's Karkat. Which was already established.
KALYN
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So I love how Karkat thinks of this only after he gets Jade to admit that her fighting with herself is the exact same thing as him fighting with himself. Do you realize the implications here?
KALYN
CG: I'M NOT AS MUCH OF A SCUMBAG AS I WAS SO DETERMINED TO MAKE OUT WITH MYSELF TO BE.
CG: FUCK I MEAN
CG: MAKE MYSELF OUT TO BE
See? Freudian slip. Right here.
KALYN
.com/?s=6&p=005161
This is cryptic. HOW THE HELL DID I MISS SOMETHING THIS IMPORTANT SOUNDING THE FIRST TIME.
KALYN
So the White King is gonna get involved. K cool. Also he seems to be enjoying Rose's wizard fanfiction.
Then WV has quite the prophetic dream while waiting for a radioactive bowel movement.
KALYN
So you know how Aradia didn't have a dream self? Well she actually did. Her dream self was sleeping it seemed deep within Derse rather than anywhere on the surface. I think she was sleeping on her Quest Bed too. She was looking pretty ghostly. But yeah, she probably died when Bec Noir destroyed Derse, and that's why Aradiabot exploded. Then she reached God Tier and froze Bec Noir in place 4 hours and 13 minutes before the CRITICAL MOMENT.
KALYN
GG: here ill save it all to a file and send it to you
- gardenGnostic [GG] sent grimAuxiliatrix [GA] the file "" -
GA: Okay Im Laughing Pretty Hard At All That
Do we get to see this conversation?
JESSICA
I totally forgot about the White King HOW THE HELL DID I MESS SOMETHING THIS OBVIOUS SOUNDING THE FIRST TIME? Anyway, yeah, I knew the White King would come, but only because of the Wanderer's Cover Art. Bin ich ein Dummkopf? Ja, mehr als ein bisschen.
JESSICA
I knew Aradia had a dream self. I knew all of that and I even referrenced it a few times!
"Then WV has quite the prophetic dream while waiting for a radioactive bowel movement." XD Ahem, sorry, you probably don't want me quoting what you just said, even though I find it hilarious ans well put!
And I don't believe we get to see the conversation between Jade and Dave. Unless you want to syphon through all of their conversations to see if any fit the bill.
JESSICA
And I never touched base with this one: Poor Karkat Poor, poor Karkat.
Do you think it could be a hate thing? He doesn't know whether he loves himself or if he hates himself? I don't know. But poor guy I find myself drawn to him even more
KALYN
I always love when he's talking to someone and they get on the topic of romance, because he gets pretty into it, haha. And I just played the game when Eridan challenges Sollux and when Eridan and Karkat talk, Karkat talks about how awkward the whole Nepeta thing is. Like Eridan was rejected by her (lol) and Karkat was all "I'm pretty sure she's still obsessed with me dude. Her rejection didn't reflect on you. It's very red, very unrequited situation" and pretty much he just avoids the subject.
I mean, maybe this is how the ancestors were. It could be possible, since most of the story came from Nepeta's ancestor's cave drawings. She could have shipped them together, it could have been total fanfiction (or partial fanfiction).
JESSICA
Don't forget that while John loves terrible movies, Karkat loves terrible romance movies, so he's going to be all over this like stink on a skunk
KALYN
Yeah, totally
Hey so Doc Scratch has numerous protegés (he even said this himself) however...aren't they all girls? He's like some sort of really creepy... I dunno. Like a perversion of Charlie from Charlie's angels.
He talks to Rose, Vriska, and Kanaya at least. I'm pretty sure. They're the angels. It's them.
JESSICA
Or not a perversion? lol
KALYN
...how not?
Like he's the real Charlie?
How would that make sense?
JESSICA
never mind, it is very suspect
KALYN
hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
JESSICA
No, I believe that might have been brought up sometime before too (the whole pedophilia thing). Most likely by Rose
A reason to look up Morse Code .com/?s=6&p=005169
actually, I'm on it!
KALYN
Oh yeah, I didn't actually start translating that stuff until the Vriska fairy lol
JESSICA
So far what I have is hilarious and cute!
This is it exactly: "HELP!MY/FRIEND/IS/SXC/INSIDE/THE/BIG/CAN,INSIDE/A/SMALL/HOUSE/HE/BUILT!YOU/MUST/HURRY,HE/IS/NOT/VERY/BRIGHT,AND/HE/ "
JESSICA
translated from: "... . .-.. .-. ! - -.- / ..-. .-. .. . -. -.. / .. ... / ... -..- -.-. / .. -. ... .. -.. . / - ... . / -... .. -. / -.-. .- -. , .. -. ... .. -.. . / .- / ... - .- .-.. .-.. / ... - ..- ... . / ... . / -... ..- .. .-.. - ! -.- - ..- / - ..- ... - / ... ..- .-. .-. -.- , ... . / .. ... / -. - - / ...- . .-. -.- / -... .-. .. -. ... - , .- -. -.. / ... . /"
(sxc should be "stuck" I just typed it in wrong)
KALYN
There's a translator that will translate the whole thing for you. You can just copy/paste it, and it will turn it into coherent sentences without all the extra symbols.
KALYN
www(dot)qbit(dot)it/lab/demorse(dot)php?text
JESSICA
except it is on a picture
can't copy and past it
KALYN
Ah. Well when it becomes copyable then you can do that.
Which it will.
JESSICA
HELP!MY/FRIEND/IS/STUCK/INSIDE/THE/BIG/CAN,INSIDE/A/SMALL/HOUSE/HE/BUILT!YOU/MUST/HURRY,HE/IS/NOT/VERY/BRIGHT,AND/HE/DOESN'T/UNDERSTAND/IT/WHEN/I/BLINK!ARE/YOU/WATCHING/ME?OH/NO,DON'T/BLINK/ME/YOU/DON'T/UNDERSTAND/BLINKING/EITHER!HOW/DO/YOU/PEOPLE/EVEN/EXCHANGE/IDEAS/WITHOUT/LUMINOUS/REAR/ENDS!
there
all done!
with only minor carpal tunnel!
KALYN
.com/?s=6&p=005314
Gamzee's frightening glaring eye is in this cloud.
JESSICA
So it is!
Did you translate what Serenity says a few pages later when WV is asleep? Dreaming of what looks suspiciously like the laboratory at Jade's house about to be destroyed by the itty bitty moon chained to Prospit.
KALYN
no, I just translated the Vriska fairy part
JESSICA
TO/COMBINE/THE/FINEST/QUALITIES/OF/HUMANITY/WITH/THE/ELEGANCE/AND/NOBILITY/OF/THE/ANIMAL/KINGDOM HOW/YOU/WISH/YOU/COULD/KNOW/THEIR/WORLD TO/HEAR/ONE/NIGHT/THOSE/MUTED/PAWPADS/TRAIPSE/UP/YOUR/STAIRS A/LOW/BUT/FRIENDLY/GROWL/UNSETTLES/YOUR/SLUMBER AND/AS/THE/SOPOR/SEEPS/FROM/YOUR/EYES (sopor slime?) THEY/DETECT/A/SHARP/PAIR/OF/EARS/CUTTING/MOONLIGHT A/MYSTERIOUS/WOLVEN/TONGUE/INVITES WOULDN'T/THESE/EARS/SUIT/YOU? WOULD/NOT/THIS/PROUD/LONG/SNOUT/ASSIST/YOU/IN/THE/HUNT?
For those following at home, that monstrosity begins with the command "WV: Dream"
KALYN
haha
JESSICA
And then Vriska's part (since I never really translated it, and I feel like it should be recorded. You aren't the only one with the recording bug!) (Also still during WV's dream)
HEY/YOU!
JUST/WHAT/DO/YOU/THINK/YOURE/PLANNING/ON/DOING/WITH/THAT/RING?
WHATEVER/IT/IS/FORGET/IT!
THE/SLAYER/IS/MIIIIIIIINE::::)
JESSICA
NOW/W8KE/UP!
I/SAID/W88888888KE!
There had to be a reason why Vriska felt bad for killing Tavros, because if you remember, she told John that she felt guilty for killing him. I thought it was because she had feelings for him, but what if there was another reason for it?
I dunno exactly, it's just bothering me. I said a little bit ago that Tavros belongs more with the trolls than with the trolls. His hero is Pupa Pan (Peter Pan) who can we assume is the symbolic form of child-like innocence?
KALYN
humans*
JESSICA
oh, hahah
oops
KALYN
If I didn't just spend the last 25 minutes copy/pasting all the shit from the past couple days, I would have pointed out to you that the beginning of that dream there, the morse code that you just translated, was word-for-word a piece of some sort of fanfiction of Jade's about like...people-animals.
JESSICA
I was wondering about that. It baffled me.
But it makes sense, since in the dream, WV hears Bec Noir and then turns into Bec Noir himself.
KALYN
Yeah, haha
JESSICA
What was with that lab "next door" to Rose's house? It wasn't simply there for the wireless internet, was it? It confuses me.
JESSICA
There's your number 413 again. The unsecured lab connection Rose uses is from SN_LAB0413.
SN=SkaiaNet? Or did I just pull that out of my butt?
JESSICA
Or rather from Terminator
JESSICA
So, the items each kid used to enter the game were: an apple for John, and egg for Dave, a (wine) bottle for Rose, and a Bec pinata for Jade. Jade's was the only one truly specific to her, or at least that I can tell. Dave also wasn't the first one to have an egg. One of the failed Earth attempts had an egg as well (which actually spurred this little tangent on). I don't know if the items have any significance or not, but since Jade's was very specific, I just wondered how specific the others were.
Rose's would be simple if it was a wine bottle, since her mother drinks and she has deeply seeded issues because of that.
The apple for John. I don't know. Johnny Appleseed? Is that the connection? Which doesn't make any sense.
Dave and the egg. Because of the crow being his first prototyping act, Dave has been connected with birds in my mind. However he wasn't really connected with them before, was he?
That's another thing. Jade and Dave's sprites are connected to their initial item.
Well, here's a monstrosity of a message for you when you get back
JESSICA
(I guess it wasn't that bad, was it?)
JESSICA
PipeFan413 = John's Dad
KALYN
"And what about the OTHER twelve wigglers you spawned? Who were they? Probably further proof this was all meaningless and random. Could it be that they were the true heroes meant to be sent back to play this game, while your team was the superfluous crop? Could a mistake have been made during the reckoning?" Initially, yes.
KALYN
The apple was possibly an allusion to Genesis. The fruit from the tree of knowledge, y'know? Makes sense, since John was sort of the first player into the medium.
That connection...very true.
Anyway, after that quote up there from Karkat pondering his ectobiology exploits, then we get this one: "Or just maybe, she was right about them all along. Not that it makes any difference now." That's so fucking cryptic!
Oh, I think that was talking about Vriska. She was convinced they were their ancestors, but Karkat didn't really want to believe it.
KALYN
You know how it was suspected that Mindfang's slave girl was Aradia's ancestor? How would that be possible if Aradia's ancestor was travelling through time as a ghost, scaring people and stirring up legends? So either it was some random troll girl, or a different ancestor. I was thinking Kanaya, but would that make sense? Given the description of the slave? She was sold into slavery after the whole rebellion, wasn't she?
JESSICA
It couldn't have been Kanaya's ancestor, or at least not from the information given about her. She was one of the trolls that tended to the Mothergrub (or whatever, I'm not even going to bother thinking of the right word right now x.x). They could easily have been wrong about it, that could become a plot point, or something. But no, not Kanaya (plus, Kanaya has green blood, wouldn't it just have been red bloods who were slaves?).
JESSICA
Oh, after the rebellion, totally didn't see that. I should probably read things more thoroughly.
I was thinking about the whole Genesis thing too, but how else would John be connected to Adam (presumably not Eve). You could say something to the effect that he created life? I don't know. Only it would be a perverted version of Adam's story...Or would it? I'm not familiar with my Old Testament... or my New Testament for that matter... However. When John took a bite of the apple, his life changed forever (although if he hadn't taken that bite his life would have changed too... it would have changed into death). He left suburbia (which is pretty easy living... so long as you aren't the care giver... but even still, it's really comfortable) to LoWaS (which I just now realized is short for Land of Wind and Shade *2X Facepalm combo*) So, I don't know. Am I analyzing this too much? I don't really think so...
JESSICA
ARE they their ancestors? I don't remember. Was their something from when the ancestor's game was restarted? Or did I just misread that too? But yeah, I remember Karkat talking about that, and I'm pretty sure you're right about it being Vriska.
Also, I don't know if this belongs there, but if you go to the MSPAWiki, there are these two "secret" outfits for John. They are... something else to say the least.
JESSICA
Hehehe, if you read the MSPAWiki page for Vriska, it says that she has an unrequited matesprit with Nicolas Cage ^^
However, they are missing five of the trolls
"However, he admits that he often just makes things up as he goes along and still gets ideas from forum discussions." (MSPAWiki) If this is true, then maybe the mutterings about Tavros and Gamzee were originally purely fanon, but he made it canon... (I sort of suspected that, by the way)
KALYN
LoWaS...how did you not notice that before? I just figured it was an allusion, not an exact parallel. They ARE creating a universe. Except they aren't, since their session wasn't meant to "bear fruit" (another allusion to the same thing?). It's like...a blanket sweep of the book of Genesis. "God created the universe, and then someone ate an apple and NOTHING WOULD EVER BE THE SAME."
The twelve other grubs? Yes. They are their ancestors. Who else would they be?
Link me to the secret outfits?
lol
Yeah, I figured he did that too. I noticed that most people drew Tavros/Gamzee from that one discussion they had, which AH never really finished with the rap, so it would make sense if he went right back to that and was all, "Fine, you want this ship? Here's how it would go down!" Ignore that pun...
JESSICA
I don't know, but I was always like "Why are they called LoWaS and LoHaC?"
And I know the 12 other grubs are the ancestors, but was there something about the ancestors being or becoming the current trolls? I guess I don't really know
KALYN
The current trolls, in the previous session (pre-scratch, the original session of trolls playing SGRUB) were the ancestors and vice-versa. They couldn't handle the pressures of the game (and also Lord English was involved) so they scratched the session, which caused the roles to be switched.
JESSICA
Ok, so they were the same people? That is the point I am confused about.