Epicly long update because I'm lazy! Spoilers up to the most recent update guys, so don't read unless you're caught up. Also, some AH plagiarism, just because his explanations of the end of Act 5 fit in so well with our attempts to make sense of everything, since he actually does make sense of everything for us. Jessica takes a while to realize that it's Hussie's words though. Ummm...links are generally unimportant to me (or I'm just being a lazy fuck, like always) but most likely they're mspaintadventures or youtube or something. You can usually tell if it's youtube. Too lazy to write more. Just read the shit. Kbye.
JESSICA
this is actually really interesting looking back at it (well, actually reading it .) /?s=6&p=003752
there seem to be potential allusions to twelve trolls, but i don't think they are our current trolls, but the Ancestors. I'm not sure. Also, Zazzerpan does not like Magic, which makes me think of Eridan, but this came from Rose who uses "magic wands."
"We're going to need more wands." Does Eridan not say something to that effect and ask Kanaya to make him some more? I'm not entirely sure, but I thought I would pass this by you (especially since we haven't talked about Homestuck in a while, *cough cough*)
wait, what was the genetic code for? the one Rose had written out but burned because "The gods from the Furthest Ring asked [her] to"
KALYN
The genetic code was for making Bec, Earth's first guardian.
The flaw I see in that theory of it being the ancestors is that the ancestors were never all on the same side, like these wizards are. Unless you mean it alludes to their first session, but even then, it's a bit of a stretch. I think it's just another set of twelve. It's a very popular number.
KALYN
Are they trolls? I'm not sure. Meh.
One was holding a human bone.
JESSICA
Ohp! That proves everything! He was holding a human bone! although don't forget it was rose writing it. So I am not entirely sure. It just struck me as odd.
JESSICA
Have you seen this yet? It's sooooo greeeaaaaaattttt! I think you will love it! .com/watch?v=dsuYYl9RUOk&NR=1
JESSICA
So, I was looking on the MSPAWiki, and I was a little confused to see Nepeta was shipping Dave and Tavros? Is there any basis for that?
And Nepeta really doesn't like Eridan. I wonder why.
I wonder if Nepeta is really as cheerful as she plays off to be? Or is she really that stupid? I can't tell. I hope it's just that she is just acting for Equius's sake... Or that she's in denial.
JESSICA
Now Vriska's little conversation with John after she killed Tavros is extremely interesting (sorry if you all ready covered this, by the way).
So, Vriska said she almost killed someone else she liked when she tried to kill Tavros the first time. The only choices there are Terezi and Aradia, right? (Although, I guess technically she did kill Aradia...) Were she and Terezi pals before that incident? I wouldn't have thought so, since they were always sort of adversaries (although before then she and Eridan sort of had a kismesis going, sort of). It just confused me a little. Vriska is too good at hiding how she actually feels and then it comes and bites her in the butt.
KALYN
Terezi and Vriska were both on the same RP team. They were like rivals, but they always worked together in the games. Vriska just always took it too far, so Terezi stopped playing with her, and then they had their whole indirect faceoff, when they screwed up each others' eyes.
Because Terezi was friends with the trolls on the other team, like Aradia and Tavros.
I think Vriska was probably talking about Tavros there, maybe. Since she tries the hardest to live like her guardian did, and her and Tavros' guardians were matesprits.
JESSICA
When are you saying she was talking about Tavros?
JESSICA
Guardians? Do you mean Ancestors? Because I do not think the giant spider and Twinklebull were matesprits ;P
I knew that Terezi and Vriska were rivals, and that makes sense. However, there were only two people she could have been talking about and I see what you are talking about. Bluh bluh bluh, that's all I can say for now
JESSICA
why is it so much easier to read the walls of text you sent me on ? I'll try and read some of it and react to the stuff i never did, although most of it would be redundant for me to do so. So just the questions I guess
KALYN
Oh, do you get updates when I put up new chapters? Okay then.
JESSICA
I wish I did, but Emily told me that it was updated.
KALYN
Oh okay, well she probably added it to favorites or something like that.
Anyway.
JESSICA
Ok, so I was rereading the stuff from before, and I noticed that I suggested that one of the reasons for Sassacre's/Sanders' dog would be named Halley was because of Halley's comet. Well, the dog was hit by a comet, lol. Therefore we can call said comet "Halley's Comet" hahaha. I really shouldn't be so amused by that
KALYN
Oh! That's great! haha
JESSICA
Ok, and we were talking about Jade's grandpa a little after that point, and you mentionedd his ship was named Jade. I thought at one point (after he found Jade) that he named his ship after her. I could be wrong, but that is what I thought. I need to actually get to that point (I've been jumping around a lot because emily has been sending me links), but long story short that is what I thought. Which is totally possible still, since if he went to the Medium during his adventuring at the ripe age of 13 he would know about her. He knows a lot of stuff, and I think one of us has mentioned before (I'm pretty sure it was me though) that it was Grandpa who told all of the Guardians what was up. Although, Nana could have told Dad since Betty Crocker probably told HER was was up, since we are pretty sure she is the troll queen.
KALYN
This was a bit hard to follow...
What are you telling me about the ship?
JESSICA
I thought his ship was named after Jade.
KALYN
Yes
JESSICA
Which is why at first I didn't think that the Grandpa in the Medium was the Grandpa before he raised Jade
KALYN
Oh. Well he died while raising Jade, so...
I figured that was his final stop.
Also, he brought back all of his trophies from the medium to earth, and then found Baby Jade on earth, and then settled on that island.
I'm pretty sure, with given evidence, he went to the medium and then went back to earth and raised Jade.
JESSICA
Yeah, I know about that.
KALYN
Okay.
I guess I'm still confused then.
I'm gonna go to lunch. Keep talking!
JESSICA
Yeah, and I was just saying he could have named his ship after Jade before he raised Jade because he would have known about Jade in the Medium
I shall
Did you get the part about Nana? And how Grandpa probably enlightened the other Guardians (at least Bro and Mom)?
Also, you seemed a little confused about Terezi's comment on Dave's crying. I'm wondering if you are still confused. I assume (or rather hope) not, since a little while after they talk about that, Dave was being stewed up by the nak-ing crocs (or alligators, not sure if that was ever verified XD) and in the stew pot there were fresh cut onions.
JESSICA
Also, I'm thinking that the frog temples are probably the original homing beacons for the "game." The one on Earth is at Jade's, right? And her island was hit by a meteor in the past, right? (that last part was said hesitantly and in a slightly confused manner) So the frog temples are on meteors that crash on the doomed planets sometime in their past, which starts a countdown? I'm really not sure about that last part.
JESSICA
You were talking about the penpal as well and who could have coerced him. All of the weapons are used by the trolls (except maybe the sword, do any of them use swords?), so I wonder if the trolls coerced him. Or the trolls and humans did. Jade sent him the kickass rabbit. Most likely they had to be sent from the dream bubbles, which confuses me a little bit. Can the dream bubbles interact with the "real" world?
JESSICA
If you remember, Karkat is all about the quadrants and romances. He did ship the kids. (why I mentioned that " he watches ROMCOMs without being ashamed-he seemed like he could be so happy-go-lucky with this description!") lol, if he let himself, he would probably have a shipping chart very much like Nepeta's. Or he does and he's just keeping it to himself XD
JESSICA
"Gawd, all you trolls just have to be SO FUCKING SPECIAL" Yes, they do. They were prepared so they could kick ass at the game and not fail like the previous team did (right?). They were overpowered actually.
I was thinking... You mentioned at one point that Sollux's walls were covered with runes, frogs and turtles. The kids had creatures residing on their planets (John salamanders, Dave crocodile/alligators, Rose turtles, and Jade frogs [I guess]), so did the trolls have creatures that lived on their planets too?
JESSICA
Also, John and Jade had amphibians while Rose and Dave had reptiles. Rose and Dave are paradox siblings (i don't know how else to put it) whle John and Jade are paradox siblings.
Do we know how much longer the trolls have to wait for Lord English to appear? (which is essentially, how much longer do we have to wait until LE appears, lol)
Like is there a timer? Or was it in Sollux's virus and we couldn't read it?
JESSICA
"Curbside confections, no longer afraid of what you'll say" lol
KALYN
I understood all of that mostly. Countdown? Not sure. Dream bubbles can interact with the real world because they exist on the outer rings of the real world. The living trolls are headed toward the dream bubbles right now. They might be able to talk to their dead comrades. I'm not sure Karkat's the shipping type like Nepeta is. I think he likes helping trolls figure out their romantic problems, but he doesn't get any sort of pleasure out of trying to predict who goes together and who doesn't. He understands just how fucked up and convoluted and confusing troll romance can be, so he's not gonna put any stock into long-term relationship predictions. Yes, I'm pretty sure all the trolls had creatures. They're called cohorts or something like that. LE appears hundreds of years after their sessions, during Aradia's ancestor's life. But you see, there is nothing to look forward to. Because he is already here. Sollux's virus was one of the things used to bring in LE though. It started the game. And I don't understand that last quote.
JESSICA
Aradi's ancestor? She's from the future? Curse this comic and it's convoluted time crap. I'm feeling very much like jade right now. Look up streetlights by ludo Iol (you can't even tell that first letter is actually an i!
KALYN
Yes, Aradia's ancestor's meteor went like hundreds of years into the future, where Doc Scratch took her in and raised her until she was about 6 sweeps and then AH came in and ancestor escaped, and then LE was officially introduced into the universe.
JESSICA
oh
...
well then
JESSICA
Woo! 75% baby!
KALYN
on what?
why did I look up streetlights again?
JESSICA
curbside confections
JESSICA
Ok, so, there is this girl that sits with one of my friends/acquaintances between my classes, right? Well, she pisses me off in general, because she doesn't know when to shut up, and she just talks about things that we clearly don't a) care about or b) want to listen to, like she fucking talked about her bodily fucking functions while I was fucking eating D:
JESSICA
Well, today, she showed me this poem (she didn't ask if I wanted to see it, she just put it under my nose and was like "read it" and I was like, fine... lolololol I love when I talk like that, even though I totally shouldn't) BACK TO THE STORY! So, it was totally mediocre, terrible, atrocious, and the only thing that would justify it as being "poetry" was that it rhymed. She said "I thought of it while we were watching a video documentary on the Depression" (THE FUCK? Was my reaction, although I bet she wouldn't even know John Steinbeck if you waggled Grapes of Wrath or Of Mice and Men in front of her face) "Everyone else was sleeping, but this came to my mind, so I wrote it. Oh, I love myself so much! I am totally the best, aah" I can't even make the face I want on the computer... anyway, so I read it, and it was totally something a fifth grader could write. the only thing that made it at all "worth reading" was that it was about a couple who were having their first kid. So, whatever. It was atrocious, immature, and it really pissed me off. Then it made me think of you (lol, not because your poetry is immature or atrocious...although I know you would argue to the contrary about the stuff you wrote in middle school)
JESSICA
She kept saying "I would give anything for my poetry to be published" and I very nearly said "Would you give up your crappy poetry?" But I didn't...because I am not confrontational... I guess I'm kind of passive agressive, huh? ...
Anyway, the point of that last little bit, was I sent her to DeviantArt to look up people who write poetry, since she "would give anything to get it published" so she could "connect with 'other' poets and see what they did to get their stuff published" you know, since a good number of them have to be published. So, yeah, hopefully she will see how crappy her stuff really is
JESSICA
...
You know, I really don't want to pay her the slightest mind, since she is clearly not intelligent, well, intelligent as far as I'm concerned. She has no manners: I came to the table today because I get out of class after they get there, and she pointed to my friend's/acquaintance's backpack and said "move your backpack" like I couldn't take care of it myself! She's rude, full of herself, entitled, AND SHE DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO BACK IT UP!
JESSICA
If she was the hottest thing since sliced bread, then yeah, maybe I could accept her acting like a total, well, maybe not bitch, but incredibly rude and ordering people around.
but she's not
guh
ok
i'm done
JESSICA
So, after my bitching and moaning, I hope this makes you smile .com/
JESSICA
.com/965/ that's the one I meant, I don't know why it put the previous day's up But it's great I think you both will love this
(Finally, Homestuck updated with the end of Act 5)
JESSICA
"CG: AND IN CASE NONE OF THIS WORKS AND WE DON'T ACTUALLY GET TO MEET
CG: I GUESS I SHOULD SAY...
CG: SINCE APPARENTLY MY GUTLESS FUTURE SELF CAN'T EXPRESS HIMSELF AND NEVER GOT AROUND TO SAYING SO
CG: THUS LEAVING IT UP TO ME AS USUAL
CG: TO SAY
CG: THAT
GG: oh sorry!"
JESSICA
GOD DAMMIT JADE!
What is up with that tadpole? It's in an eight ball O.O which, as we know, is probably linked to Lord English, most likely is linked to Lord English (but, really, it could be Vriska too, I think? One of those darn trolls) But then it's flashing and it's kind of like Lord English
Let me look again
don't you dare stop me!
lol
I can't quite tell how many colors it's flashing in, but yeah, Jade is looking into the sky and shit's going to fly!
I guess this will probably be irrelevant when I get to the end of the update, but I figured I should ... narrate my exact reactions...
yes
teehee, Bec Noir, teehee
He's just standing there with a silly question mark above his head (and of course he's not going to kill Jade)
WHAT THE FUCK! Shaving cream? *reads on*...*tries not to spam with constant feedback about the obvious*...*not likely able to contain herself*...
Someone needs to give Karkat a hug
shaving cream bomb? with the little short clubs guy? WTF? D:
Well fuck Now what? WHY DID YOU FAIL BEC? WHY DID YOU FAIL TO PROTECT JADE! That was my initial reaction too, when he wasn't killing Jade, I figured he would protect her from anything (and by anything I mean Lord English) Although I feel like him protecting Jade was all ready established? I could be incredibly wrong though. Wouldn't be the first time
JESSICA
and OH NOES!
WHAT THE FUCK! .com/?s=6&p=006007 (and I was right about Bec :D)
JESSICA
I'm left with more questions than answers,, and i BALGUAODSIHFNKJLAESDHGJ ASLDHGJFYNGVIJDFKADNSKFNH IOKFJASKJGH NURHJVDHAFJKLSUDJ
That is how I feel right now
So, Jadesprite is now godtier, because bec noir left main (dead) Jade on her god bed thing. So instead of Jade reaching God Tier, Jadesprite took over being the main Jade and is now the God Witch of Space (which I think her outfit is pretty cool, but the whole Twilek tentacle things confuses me a little). She pulls up the fourth wall of their entire story, and then she and John blast through it on the Prospit version of the Jade Harley (is that the ships name?) and who the fuck knows where they went. What I want to know is, why did Bec Noir take things out on the trolls? I don't know
JESSICA
Snowball bleeds blue blood, is that just because she was royalty? I'm pretty sure it has to correlate with the blood of the people being plagued (I guess? I can't think of a better way to put that) by the game, because the white king and queen had red blood
I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO FEEL!
I'm going to watch it again, maybe it will make more sense then, probably not
Ok, there is one more act after this, plus the green and white dots ... whatever those are for. Maybe the green is for Lord English? Since all of the Felt wear green. The white I have no clue
I should seriously stop guessing right now
ok, John is scratching the record with what looks to be one of the wands of "science", and his warhammer (of zillyhoo) has the scorpio symbol on it
Ok, the 413 thing was Bec Noir's timer
The Bec Head Transporter thing was where the frog head should have been, wasn't it? because it totally looked for a moment there that it belonged and that the temple suddenly changed from being a frog to being a Bec Noir
Also, we talked about this before, about where the frog temples came from, and they are definitely from the ring. I can't remember if we verified or came to an agreement or not
The White King had a notebook. It was either the "meowmeowmeow" book or the "crappy fanfiction" which I desperately need to read again, just to see how exactly it all correlates with the rest of the story, because I definitely remember their being undertones and almost allusions to the trolls
JESSICA
Bec Noir also left PM alive for some reason, I dont' know why that would be, he killed WQ and WK (maybe out of spite, maybe because he thought it was their fault, maybe because he wanted them dead from the beginning?) He killed AR because he was blowing the pods up, because he needed them to get somewhere? I wonder if he knew he was going to go to the Trolls' session, or if he just landed there "randomly". then he killed WV for the uranium (or whatever) in his stomach (part of the green sun? or just kryptonite, lol)
JESSICA
I guess I was just wondering if leaving PM alive had anything to do with her little quest for him or...
although was she Jade's exile? Because WQ was Rose's, AR was Dave's and WV was John's
WK had no chance to be anyone's exile, so it had to be PM, right? Yeah she was, never mind
Although, I must admit I enjoyed the Wizard of Oz reference with Jade's outfit
Now, who was it who said "SUCKERS."? Was it Gamzee or Doc Scratch? Now that I say it, I think it was probably Gamzee...
ok, that's enough from me, I'm assuming you haven't read it yet, and I apologize for all this stuff you now have to read along with watching Homestuck... But now it's your turn to have to deal with a massive wall of text
KALYN
holy shit I haven't watched it yet. O.O I should probably do that first...
KALYN
watching...
Oh, Karkat.
Oh shit.
Oh shit!
OH SHIT!
Dead tadpole AND dead Jade?
Who hatched this harebrained scheme?
Gonna watch the vid now...
I just restarted the video somewhere in the middle because it was growing... Was I zooming unconsciously or something?
I was missing stuff!
But yeah, okay. Bec Noir's loyalty to Jade has caused him to turn against CD and spread the red miles in place of the green miles. Is he destroying the universe, or is he healing it?
And WK is here. Great. Wonder what role he'll play?
Just realized I could have paused it. lol
I love how John looks and Bec's forlorn face is too adorable.
There aren't two Bec's here are there? Wait...no, that's his power. Moving through space like a boss.
And time. Both.
I think it is growing.
coolest thing! I don't know if it happens on other things, but when you pause the video with Serenity in frame, she'll continue to flash and spark. Fun fact!
Oh. Same deal when you pause it on the stars that are flying through the universe! They continue to pass by-anyway. Jade's gonna be god tier! GO PROSPIT SIBLINGS.
Man, I canNOT watch a video all the way through the first time! I have a problem.
Wow. WK never had a chance, did he? How did Bec Noir get into the hobo flower? And where in the timeline is this one from?
KALYN
THE FUCK. What is Bec's motive for killing all the Wanderers? I should keep watching...
Sad to see them die though. They were my favorite... I was so convinced that it was truly their story! Oh well...
Okay. So that was early in the timeline. Is this another timefuck reacharound? What is the... Chronologically (in Bec's perspective) which came first? The destruction of the Wanderers and trolls, or Jade's death?
Because either all that destruction and troll haunting happened at the beginning of his life as a Bec-thing, or it happened because of his rage after Jade died. Hm.
Rose and Dave won against DD. Awesome. And I think that pause thing can happen to about anything in this video.
SHIT YES. THEY ALL GET TO LIVE. GOD'S, ALL OF THEM. The trolls just didn't think so, because their timeline was all blocked by this point! WIN!
Hmmmm...on the left side of the universe test tube machine is their universe (currently being ravaged by Bec's red miles) and on the right is the trolls'. By the way, you can totally see these in Sollux's glasses. I mentioned them before, how you can see universes. It's them.
That's weird. Blue blood. It looked almost like the universe was in her heart (literally, not in the stupid cheesy sense) and started to be destroyed when the cue ball hit her. Is this like Lord English's figurative (maybe literal, but how?) entrance into the universe?
What the hell happened to Jadesprite? Did she get transformed after Jade reached God tier (makes a very cute Witch of Space, by the way, I like the Wizard of Oz reference) or...did she disappear?
Or did she run away?
I think she transformed. Because she has dog ears.
Hahahaha, just realized that her fanfiction from wayyyy early on came true. Lawl.
Heh. Just realized, the ravaging of the universes (being red or blue) happened 413 years after all of this SBURB shit. Duh. Stating the obvious, just because it's noteworthy and has only just occurred to me. It's important to stay on top of this timeline shit!
HOLY FUCKING CRAP IT'S STILL NOT OVER. GAMZEE NOOOO WHYYYYYYYYY what is even happening here. A lot happened just then. Okay. Jadesprite(godtier) just made a science project out of the planets, Rose and Dave are contemplating the function of the universe tube machine, John's on the battleship, Jade is...still dead. On the bed. Did she switch minds with Jadesprite or something, or mix? Eh. We are finding out why Gamzee is "the most important character in Homestuck" and he is apparently much more aware of things than we think. Bastard. Still not quite sure what he did though. Doc Scratch is dead, and he says "suckers." Is it because Cal is talking to him? Hmmmm... Cal is the real mastermind!
KALYN
Keep watching. I'll be watching it again after this, and then I'll read what you said.
Oh, and PM was putting on the ring. Okay.
One foot on both sides. Remember when Aradia said that? Is Sollux conscious in both the dream bubbles and on the meteor? Maybe that's what she meant.
Pfffftthahahahahahaha! Dave's hood looks silly!
Wow. The destroyed curtains are a nice touch...but...why did Jade just break through the fourth wall? Or was it the fifth? Hm. What's she going for?
I eagerly await your response, and I have no desire to copy/paste all this just yet.
Oh sweet you can also skip to different parts of the video from the beginning! All those little red and blue and white and green dots are the video parts. XD
I'm discovering easter eggs!
KALYN
Okay. It was after Jade died that he went into the temple, got into the hobo flower, and came out to destroy the Wanderers and then the trolls and their planets. But...okay, so does this mean that DD and CD and everyone were from after Jade died as well? Because they were working with pissed off, angry Bec Noir, and DD told him he should stop destroying planets and shit. Hmmm... I wonder if Bec Noir was relatively tame when...no, that still doesn't make sense. He was still scheming against the kids in their session. It's just after Jade died that he went into the trolls' as well.
Oh and that was Rose's wizard fanfiction, which WK was reading in the temple. And Bec was going for PM before AR started blowing up the stations.
That's so weird. That universe tube machine was inside the tumor. Why? How did it get there? Who put the tumor in the universe, was it Bec or Karkat or Gamzee? Or someone else entirely? And what is the main purpose of the machine?
Those are my questions.
Was it Cal?
I would feel so weird if I was Davesprite, being all tiny chilling on that little planet while Jade did her giant Jade thing.
KALYN
Okay. Gamzee didn't type suckers. He highlighted it because it was written in white text. However, Doc Scratch's head had a flash where it was the nose to Gamzee's purple painted clown face. Cal is a piece of Scratch's genetic code. Gamzee has some weird connection with Cal. I am rather freaked out about this right now.
What is Sollux even doing when he gets all bleedy and telekinetic like that?
I think Rose and Dave have met Sollux and Aradia in the outer ring.
Okay I think I fully understand everything that happened now.
Do you know if Morgan's watched this yet? I can't wait to watch it with her!
Wow. Either I'm retarded, or Facebook is. I totally missed that rant on October 18 about that chick that annoys you! Glad I read it now, because it's quite interesting to me. I might...copy/paste it. .
"not because your poetry is immature or atrocious...although I know you would argue to the contrary about the stuff you wrote in middle school"
Actually, I never wrote a bad poem in my life. *stuck up* No, I had really immature concepts and feelings and shit, and some of my stuff was truly crap, but I think I had a gift for coming up with unique rhythms and rhyme patterns. But at least I didn't bullshit myself and pretend to be inspired by clouds, like I've witnessed other "poets" do.
KALYN
Just realized: It was Jadesprite that transformed because she was made with DreamJade. It was DreamJohn that transformed after John died. Also. I forgot the other one. Oh. Sollux, since I asked the question, was transporting the meteor to the rendezvous point. Alright!
Okay. "Suckers." Scratch was taunting Gamzee.
Read the parts of the conversation that Gamzee wrote. Since Scratch's was unreadable.
Seems like he was also carrying out Scratch's orders though.
I'll type his parts here:
KALYN
"TC: that's all motherfuckin done white texted bro.
TC: NOW WHAT?
KALYN
(three spaces of white text)
KALYN
TC: oh yeah?
TC: AND JUST WHAT THE MOTHERFUCK IS IT
TC: that we are?
TC: ?"
KALYN
fucking Facebook.
KALYN
The reason they are suckers is actually something we've known for a long time. This all was said in a conversation between Rose and Scratch. Everything happens when you destroy the green sun: it kills Scratch, it causes the Scratch of their session, because Scratch dies then Lord English is able to come into the universe, and because their session is Scratched it gives them a chance to survive because their session was never meant to "bear fruit." They are "suckers" (mostly the trolls, since the kids, at least Rose, knew this would be the outcome) because the allowed Lord English to come into the universe through this. Also, remember when Hussie was shaking Scratch around? I don't think it's the reverse puppet thing... I think Scratch was killed at that moment because they had just destroyed the Green Sun.
JESSICA
Gah! stop that!
Oh, wait...
nevermind
KALYN
Stop...what?
JESSICA
I thought you just said something now... but you didn't, but I have to find my place again
KALYN
I'm talking to Emily
Ask her about my confusing statements
Tell her to give you that part of the conversation
She didn't get what I was saying
JESSICA
me too, back to where I was I have a real lovely thing for you though when I finish reading everything
KALYN
I thought you woould
Yay!
Wait, she already told me
Skype with 4 people?
FOR A WEEK
almost
Have fun in Council Bluffs!
JESSICA
See, I only know have of this conversation, what did you say before the "Wait, she already told me"?
KALYN
I said "I thought you would
Yay!"
JESSICA
... see, here's the thing
I don't know who's saying what, is it entirely you?
is Emily in there somewhere?
KALYN
...what?
This conversation is just betweenus...
JESSICA
What's the email about that it's just not the same?huh?What do you need to don't want to hang out with me talk to your advisor about?
please explain those statements and tell me they are full coherent thoughts
KALYN
Bleh she didn't send you the whole thing
Here:
JESSICA
(i think that's because that was the part she was confused about...)
KALYN
yes, but here's where I was coming from:
KALYN
Me: I want to hang out with you.
Her: thanks
but it's just not the same...
me: :'(
her: i wish it was
me: D':
her: yeah
so, i'm writing an email to my adviser and don't really know what to say
me: What's the email about that it's just not the same?
her: huh?
11:27pm
me: What do you need to don't want to hang out with me talk to your advisor about?
her: YOU'RE CONFUSING THE FUCK OUT OF ME
me: -sighhhhhh-
JESSICA
you seem to be missing punctuation, which is making things a little confusing
KALYN
What do you mean?
JESSICA
unless you didn't intend "What's the email about" and "that it's not the same" to be different thoughts
KALYN
right
JESSICA
were you just guilt-tripping her?
KALYN
yes lawl
JESSICA
hahahaha
that's great XD
KALYN
I thought at least you would get it
JESSICA
eventually, lol
KALYN
because afterward I was like "Show it to Jessica.
:O
SNITCH!
JESSICA
ok, back to homestuck, I shall return to you with a play-by-play of me reading, and :D
KALYN
K!
JESSICA
I didn't know about the Serenity or the star thing. Isn't it Jadesprite who has reached god tier? She does have dog ears (James thinks they have morphed into one). Jade's death, I think, came first, because he doesn't get to the trolls until he takes the green radioactive stone out of WV's stomach. I don't know why it would have happened at the beginning of his life. That just doesn't make any sense to me
"Rose and Dave won against DD" What?
And I know, I was super-psyched when they all reached god tier They have one-up on the trolls ^^
I also noticed the tubes were just like Sollux's glasses, but I don't know WHY, you know?
That was what I noticed with Snowman as well (who I think I might have called Snowball at one point .)
I dont' think what's up with Gamzee happened after his reconcilliation with Karkat, I think that was before. But then, maybe he knows something we don't, maybe Cal whispered the secrets of the universe into his ear. He was chilling with AH for a while. Just sayin'.
Ok, nevermind on the Jadesprite thing, totally and completely (the one I said up there)
DAMMIT! I read what you say, and then a little farther down you say exactly what I was going to D: (I'm taking notes off to the side, just so you know. That's the only reason it bothers me. It's like a play-by-play :D)
That would make sense with Sollux, that he is aware in both, it is totally possible, but I think it would get a little confusing for him, wouldn't it? Unless he's used to it by now.
Also, please note the Dave looks like a knight.
I am extremely aggravated with Jade right now, BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHAT SHE'S DOING! Maybe she's going to have a little chat with AH?
Why are you calling it a hobo flower? It is a rotting flower. All the others look like beautiful and healthy lotuses (or something) and his is orange-ish, wilting and diseased. Not a "hobo" flower. That's just silly. Bec Noir was always pretty pissy to begin with. CD is too dead to have worked with Bec after he "flipped total shit" so that would have been before hand. He just flipped extra shit after Jade died. Bec Noir was always, ALWAYS trying to stop the kids for some reason. He hated the black queen for humiliating him (Jack Noir seems to always hate the black king, it has to be in his genetic make-up, or the black queen has been informed to be a total bitch to him, either one, which might make sense with the whole thing where Snowman told Jack to kill her.)
Anyway, he was always distracted by Jade, so he told CD and DD to kill her, since he can't and he wanted to get her out of the way. CD completed his task, but foolishly did it in front of Bec Noir (he's not very bright, clearly). He has Becquerel's fierce loyalty for Jade, so really, she was the only thing holding him back. Don't forget how he decimated those pawns (I guess) after he put on the ring and became this super-insane Bec hybrid.
I wonder if he even really knew about the trolls, unless the rings gives them knowledge about how the game works, and that there are other worlds? I'm not entirely sure.
I thought it was her fanfiction after I took a closer look the second time through (I had to watch it more than once, naturally...it still didn't make a whole hell of a lot more sense XD)
Ok, clearly Davesprite wasn't just "chilling." When Jadesprite started her whole transformation thing, he looked a little freaked out, thank you very much. He was also watching her as she stared down at the world. He was not just "chilling"
I am extremely intrigued by Cal's relationship with Gamzee (other than they are both arbiters of mirth... not entirely sure if I used that right XD)
I have no idea what Sollux is doing, other than it looks like when he eats mind honey, except he has no eyes to shoot lasers from, so he's bleeding from his sockets. That is my only explanation, and that is the only explanation I can think of given the information right now. Damn, you just made me look stupid... "Sollux, since I asked the question, was transporting the meteor to the rendezcous point"
Ok, so, I just thought of this randomly, but do you remember when Karkat spoke to ... fuck, lost my train of thought talking to you about guilt-tripping emily... Oh! Now I remember, my random little thought. When Karkat told John if one of them kissed the other (I'm assuming John and Kar here) that John shouldn't be weirded out or anything. But Karkat had no idea what is going to happen when everyone meets, so it was legitimately what he was feeling at the time. Aw, Karkat, you're such a darling (Not as Darling as Kanaya, of course, but that's in her name for crying out loud! Ok, maybe not, but that's what I call her, and I'm pretty sure I saw it somewhere else)
You're theory about Jadesprite makes a ton of sense, so she would have all of Jade's memories up to date, wouldn't she? Since even though the kids are not aware of what their dream selves are doing while they are awake (sleeping?) but she was awake the entire time, so she would have her own memories, but whenever the kids were asleep, their dream selves were their current state of being. I never thought of that before (clearly).
Did you not read Doc Scratch's text? THat seems a little odd, and I got the ? thing.
Well then... I really wish I could memorize every conversation for easy and instant referral
All right! I'm all up and motherfucking caught up! :oD
JESSICA
have fun
hehehe, you are too cruel XD stop lying to Emily
JESSICA
also, do you know why the book is called ~ath?
JESSICA
"Who the fuck you think your dealin' with? I've got lips plus"
JESSICA
Ok, do you remember a while back, how I said that Eridan killed other trolls' lusi? well, here is what I was talking about, it was after Eridan killed that whale and then sent it down into the water for Feferi to feed to her lusus Oglogoth or whoever /?s=6&p=004337
KALYN
They have essentially morphed into one. The main reason it was Jadesprite was because she was prototyped with DreamJade, and when a player reaches god tier, it's their dream self that is transformed and takes the place of their other self. That's what happened with John, his dream self took over.
Rose and Dave were just about to have a faceoff with DD, who came into Rose's room on Derse's moon just before Dave woke up from that conversation they were having as they were hurtling toward the green sun. Then he woke up and headed straight for the moon to help Rose fight off DD. They were just about to begin the fight when we last saw them, and we didn't get to see that fight apparently because DD's dead already.
Psh, smartass. I meant they were like Sollux's glasses because you can see the universes in them, not just because of the obvious reason! DX
I called her Snowball, actually. XD
I am ignoring your nevermind, because I have already answered it! (maybe I should read the whole message, THEN respond?)
Yeah, I know the flower's cancerous. I just thought it also looked like a hobo. XP
I don't quite know what you're saying with the fanfiction. I think I understood that video pretty well after a couple times (the second time just to catch the minor details I might have missed the first time)
Psh. Davesprite is ALWAYS "chilling" because he's DAVEsprite. But yeah, don't get picky over the wording. I meant "chillin" in the sense that he's not really doing anything else other than being there.
I don't think Karkat was talking about kissing John, he was referring to a conversation he had already had with him (that John would also have) in which he proposes that they could be potential kismeses. It was his first conversation with him I think. Or his second. One of the first ones. And Darling Kanaya is the name of a song on one of the albums.
I couldn't read Doc Scratch's text. It was in the video. You can't highlight the video. Besides, it could be inferred what he said from Gamzee's response.
What the hell is ~ath and lips plus?
Annnd...I know. I know that Eridan kills lusi. If you're sending me a link to one of the pages, I don't need to click on it. I know what it is. I'm going to picture it in my head, and then when I click on it it'll be the same thing. Mleh.
KALYN
Hm. Close to the same thing.
JESSICA
~ is called a tilde. So ~ath is said tildeath (or written, I guess). One of the books Karkat has is called that: ~ath.
KALYN
He has books? What...? I don't even...
KALYN
Straight from Hussie: The tumor was a bomb that physically contained both our universe (red side) and the troll universe (blue side). It was counting down to the "simultaneous" destruction of both universes. On detonation, it did not destroy the green sun as intended. It created it.
KALYN
I believe some people thought they were witnessing the destruction of the sun when the bomb went off. Though if you examine the scene objectively, there's no reason to think this, other than that it was the stated mission for so long. There was no sun in sight. They were drifting through empty space. Then, boom. The sun was growing from ground zero. The fact that this misapprehension was somewhat common probably speaks to how cemented the mission to destroy the sun had become as a critical plot point. And maybe also, to how well Scratch deceived everyone on the subject.
All of act 5, and to some extent all of Homestuck, has been the result of a very, very long con by Doc Scratch. His power source, and the source that fueled all this calamity in many other ways, was always going to be created in this way, by combined efforts of the kids and the trolls to save reality. Part of his job was to make sure that happened. That was the secret part of his job. The other part, openly stated, was to pave the way for the entrance of his master, which is triggered on the destruction of the troll universe, as illustrated by this virus. It turns out that doing these two things is one and the same. No green sun without the death of a universe. No Lord English either.
You may retrace his conversations in light of this new fact. He says he never lies, and while he's certainly deceptive, I think you are hard pressed to find him saying something that is absolutely untrue. He misdirects, and lies by omission (which is something he makes clear he doesn't believe in). But just about everything he says can be validated in some way. There are clues to this outcome everywhere, hiding in plain sight.
Consider his conversation here. He speaks primarily in hypotheticals, about what would happen if they destroyed the sun. He says things often arranged like this: "And it is certainly true that The Tumor you will deliver to its location has enough power to destroy it completely." He says they will deliver the bomb to the sun's location. He just doesn't mention the sun won't be there yet. He also says its powerful enough to destroy it, hypothetically. Also true. He just doesn't mention it won't be around to destroy, until the bomb goes off!
There's also this tidbit. "TT: It is nearly twice the mass of our universe." Because it is literally comprised of the detonated mass of two dead universes. And so on.
KALYN
When you click on that link on "this virus" you see ~ath again. I think it has something to do with computer programming, so it makes sense Karkat would have something like that.
KALYN
Next up. Even though this isn't a "revelation", it should probably be bolded and discussed.
Time and space do not work comprehensibly in the furthest ring.
How can the sun just have been created, when it was there all along, fueling Bec and Doc Scratch for ages, and more recently, Bec Noir, Jadesprite, etc? See above.
TT: The greater the distance you travel through it, the less reliably time flows.
TT: And the more time you spend in it, the less reliably space behaves.
TT: Time and space aren't as different as you might think.
So in other words, what really happened is Rose and Dave's journey took them quite a distance through the furthest ring. The longer they traveled, the less reliably you could place them on the timeline. They may have traveled a few miles, while simultaneously wandering millions of years into the future. And after another few miles, may have gone eons into the past, way before the green sun existed. This is in fact what happened. The dark gods helped chart their course through this spacetime maze to deliver them to this location, at this time. Take that for what you will.
This is also at the heart of why the sun became visible to the trolls the moment it did, rather than always being visible. It is not because it "just happened", since the respective timeframes are incompatible, and that notion doesn't actually make sense. The moment of Bilious Slick's detonation (our universe), that was the moment the light from the green sun's ancient explosion finally managed to reach their session, after its long circuitous travel through knotted spacetime. In fact, we don't even need a complex spacetime model to understand this. Right now, there is celestial phenomena happening in our universe that we cannot see, because the light hasn't reached us yet! It won't for millions of years.
The light from the sun is important to the trolls not only as a beacon, but as a momentary illumination of a "straight line" through the furthest ring. If light can make it from here to there through the broken space, then so can a meteor, as long as it travels fast and doesn't miss the opportunity. This is a decent reason for the urgent getaway, as well as, presumably, the need to escape Jack's ire while he is distracted. So Sollux went all out, putting a little extra mustard on it so to speak, and reprised his ill fated ancestor's role as helmsman.
Aradia's chronology is also worth noting. She is not actually witnessing the birth of the sun, as this (remember, nonlinear) animation seems to illustrate. When she flew inside Jack to escape, the sun was already there waiting for her. Every time we have seen Aradia hanging out in front of the sun, or hanging out with Sollux's (half-)ghost, that was well after the sun was created.
AA: i am waiting for friends to arrive
AA: they will need my help
TA: what friends?
TA: m0re ghosts?
AA: no theyre alive
AA: first
AA: there will be two humans
AA: they should be joining us any minute
She's of course referring to Rose and Dave. And of course, at the time, we're meant to believe they will arrive in the moon they are piloting, ready to crash kamikaze style into the sun and blow it up. There's little reason to question this. But it turns out all along, she was waiting for them to COME OUT of the sun! As freshly minted god tiers. The nonlinear flow of the story was at every turn directing you away from the suspicion that their mission would create the sun, rather than destroy it.
TA: then what?
AA: then rest of our party
AA: the survivors
TA: 0h
TA: so then, we made it 0ut here alright.
AA: yes
AA: well
AA: they made it
AA: your body will arrive with them
Then the trolls, who are now in transit, will theoretically rendezvous with all of them at the sun. And then what? We'll see.
I think that's enough to digest for now. I'll make another part later, talking about some other aspects of the Flash, like Jack's convoluted inter-session journey, the scratch, the expanding 4th wall and all that stuff.
KALYN
More about what happened. There's still plenty to cover. I won't be totally exhaustive, but I'll mention what I think is worth noting. At this point, I believe most people have understood most of this stuff. Still, there may be a few things mentioned here that didn't quite occur to you, or some connections you haven't made yet.
The Flash answers most major questions still dangling in the story up to this point. What happens at the critical moment. (Two universes are destroyed, creating the green sun, while the kids complete the scratch and escape through the 4th wall. This has also been referred to at points as "The Great Undoing." From early in Hivebent: "AA: and we twelve will behave simultane0usly as the pawns and the 0rchestrat0rs of the great und0ing") We know who reaches god tier and how. (All the kids!) Which trolls survive, the fate of the exiles, who wears the white queen's ring, and how the blood got on Jack's hand. That last question was probably the most maddening of the bunch for a long time. The bloody hand was first shown in Jade: Enter, and as Jack's list of victims grew, his hand continued to be clean. The list of possibilities kept narrowing, until we finally found out here, along with an answer to another major question, how he actually got into the troll session.
The circuitous journey of Bec Noir
A summary: after he put Jade on her quest bed, he looked up and realized he didn't have much time. The scratch was about to wipe out the session. So, he fled the session through one of the only ways available, by riding a meteor through a portal back to Earth. The meteor was the one host to the frog ruins, and he tucked himself in the same time capsule the White King did not too long ago. The meteor crashed on prehistoric Earth, formed the ruins, and waited about 413 million years. Then the king came out of the capsule to greet the queen. Jack followed about ten seconds later to their surprise, and killed them immediately. He exited the ruins, and AR began detonating the four stations. These were rigged presumably as part of the exiles' unspoken plan, as a failsafe to prevent Jack from doing just this, in case he found his way there. AR hesitated to blow up WV's station, because he knew WV was still trapped inside. At this pause, Jack killed AR, and quickly entered the final remaining station to investigate, while (foolishly, it turns out) dismissing PM as irrelevant.
In the station, he found this device, which had been switched to the left side of the frog with the queen's key, most likely by the queen at an earlier point. Thus it would transport the user to the session outside this universe, i.e. the troll session, as opposed to the one inside it, the kid session. But it was out of power, and had been ever since WV flew the station halfway around the world to find the ruins. So Jack, looking for a power source, located the uranium in WV's belly, probably via his keen sense of smell as an omnipotent dog. He ripped the uranium out of a hapless WV's gut, thus bloodying his hand. He powered the station, which both opened its hatch, and allowed him to flee from yet another doomed reality. He likely knew he couldn't stay in that universe for long, since he recognized the red miles destroying it above. But he probably didn't understand that would be his own doing from outside the universe, hours in his future.
Jack, bloody hand and all, then appeared in the troll session just as the trolls were about to enter the universe they created, as we saw in Jade: Enter. He then went on his murderous rampage through their session, some of which we saw in quick replays during this animation. He destroyed all 12 planets, Prospit, Derse, and finally, turned his red miles attack on Bilious Slick, destroying the very universe he just narrowly escaped from. And in doing so, he contributed his share to the critical moment. His alternate session self, Spades Slick, contributed the other part by killing Snowman, "simultaneously." All of Act 5 could be subtitled "Jack Noir Kills Everybody" and that's pretty much the guiding principle I had in structuring it from the start. Jack Noir has killed every major character, in one way or another (with maybe a few exceptions, like PM), including the entire population of two universes.
Then, finally, as he viewed the aftermath of Bilious Slick's destruction in Skaia's water-sphere, and noticed the green sun appearing in the distance, he saw PM enter with WV's body on the frog platform, the same way Jack arrived about 10 hours prior. After he left the desert, she went into the now-open station, and dragged WV's body to safety, away from the bombs, but was faced with the universe's imminent destruction overhead. She noticed WV had dropped the ring he'd been hiding all along, so she put it on and assumed all of Jack's powers. Then, again probably due to enhanced canine tracking abilities, immediately knew where to follow Jack. She brought WV, likely with the hope that he may survive, as well as his firefly Serenity, and is now prepared for a duel.
Slick kills Snowman
It was established in the intermission that when Snowman dies, the universe is destroyed. (Relating of course to her 8-ball theme, and billiards rules involving pocketing that ball, or scratching while pocketing it.) Hence, when Slick shoots her through the heart with Scratch's single-cueball-bullet-firing gun, the trolls' universe (blue) comes to an end. Recall that Scratch browbeat Slick into agreeing to take his gun and kill her. With nothing in particular left to lose, or live for, Slick complied, and more than likely took enjoyment from settling this old score, even though it meant his own death too. Note that during the standoff, it seemed Snowman welcomed the attack. This was, after all, the culmination of her role, both as the black queen, and as a servant of Lord English.
As the black queen of Derse, her basic role is to oppose creation. She wars with Prospit, and stands in the way of the heroes who seek to create a universe. Since she was exiled from the session, she could no longer fulfill that role. So she was offered another way, by Doc Scratch, in an agreement of mutual interest. Since she couldn't oppose the creation of a new universe, she could facilitate the destruction of another. Scratch gave the queen the powers of Snowman, and bound her life in some mysterious way to the troll universe itself (turning the typically red blood of a queen to blue, the color signifying that universe). Which is of course, another giant frog much like the one Jack killed, which we have never seen from the outside. Ironically, to fulfill her role, she was bound to the life of a creature she loathed, which happened once before in the troll session when they prototyped a frog. She was disgusted by the transformation, and removed the ring, which lead to her eventual exile, and meeting with Scratch in the desert.
Her role as Snowman also suited Lord English's purposes, as her death provided the mechanism for his entrance, as well as contributed to the creation of the green sun. This appears to be a pattern with LE, enslaving various women, who can only die by completing their term of service, and vice versa. He recruited Aradia's and Feferi's ancestors in the same way. From the perspective of LE as a crime boss rather than an immortal demon, he's somewhat like a ruthless pimp. Whoever he is. This is one of the few major questions lingering, in case you didn't notice.
Anyway, more to talk about, but enough words for now.
KALYN
Ehhh I've got to get back to work soon so let's see how fast I can knock out the rest of this.
Let's continue from the point of all the stuff about Jack's massacre through Exile Town, and address issues surrounding
The big chess game
After all this, events involving the carapace people still resemble an extremely complicated interdimensional game of chess. Everything the royalty does is strategic in the bigger picture. The black queen was exiled, but found another way to fulfill her role through a complex maneuver of self sacrifice. The white queen's retreat from the session, after Jack stole the black queen's ring and wrecked Prospit and the Battlefield, was a defensive regrouping strategy on post-apocalypse Earth. She formed an elaborate plan, most of which went unwritten but could be understood mostly by deduction. Basically, she mobilized remaining exiles there, planned to leave this universe via one of the stations, destroying them all behind them to burn the bridge, but not before reuniting with the king from the time capsule. She also bestowed her title as queen to PM as her successor to rule the new kingdom they would build, and privately bestowed the responsibility on WV to some day wear the ring and hunt down Jack, wherever he might be. The problem is, Jack short-circuited her strategy by appearing immediately after the king arrived, killed WK and WQ right away, thus finally winning the chess game for his kingdom, or more particularly, himself.
Almost.
The final gambit belonged to PM though, when she found the ring, put it on, and inherited the true powers of a queen, more than just in name. Neither PM, nor any carapace creature, can literally be considered a pawn. But she is pawn-like in rank, as many are in this exotic and diverse race of chess people, and being the only piece left standing, she put the ring on and became the most powerful type of piece possible. Much like a pawn reaching the end of a chess board, and becoming a queen. For now, with her and Jack's powers being about equal, the chess game sits in stalemate.
God Tiers
First let's look at what happened to Rose and Dave.
When Rose asks Scratch whether she will reach god tier, he responds,
You have exactly a fifty percent chance of ascending to the god tier.
TT: That's a strange answer.
I know.
TT: Why such a precise probability?
Because, much like the decisions you must face to complete your dual suicide missions, you have two ways of achieving godhood to choose from.
Which was before Jack killed her, and John revived her with a kiss, leaving only her dream self. When she died, this eliminated one of the ways she could reach god tier, the only way we knew of explicitly at the time. This is by having a waking self and a dream self, both alive. When the waking self dies on the quest bed located somewhere on the planet, the player's dream self takes over permanently, assumes god tier status, and wakes up on the battlefield, while the waking self's corpse lies dead on the quest bed thereafter. This is how John reached god tier, and how Jade did as well. (Sort of.)
Dave and Rose only had one life left. They'd both been killed by Jack, and then revived as their dream selves. They only had the other means of reaching god tier, which we knew little about. We only had Aradia's example to speculate from.
It turns out, the other way involves another set of quest beds in the core of the moons of Prospit and Derse. Reaching god tier involves using the only life you have left, and dying on that quest bed. Then, rather than waking up as a god tier on the Battlefield, the dead body simply resurrects automatically, transforming then and there. This is the basic outline of the process, with some caveats from examples we've observed.
Aradia was always a special case, since she was dead long before entering the session. She began the session as a ghost, and then a ghost inside a robot, which never actually counted as having a living waking self. She was never alive from the start, so she always only had the one ascension method available to her, by the death of her dream self, which had been sleeping on its quest bed all long. It was not in the core of the moon though. The moon only had five towers, because she was never a living player, and didn't "belong" with the rest of the players on her team of Derse dreamers. So her dream self was sequestered away from the others, in the core of Derse. She reached god tier when Jack destroyed Derse.
We also can't be sure that's all there is to this method. Is it a simple matter of dying on the bed, or is more required? In the only two examples we have of this, Aradia and Dave+Rose, they die spectacularly in an explosion of green fire. Is that among the requirements? This is inconclusive.
Also, god tier Aradia, Dave, and Rose were all unharmed by the fire during the resurrection process. Dave and Rose's case was so extreme, they actually emerged from the core of a sun. Does the transformation method itself protect them, until complete? Or is it just the simple matter that upon transforming, they are now immortal, and dying in the very explosion leading to their ascension would count as neither just nor heroic? You may speculate.
After examining all that, Jade's ascension is simple in comparison. Her dream self died, but she brought it back to life by prototyping the stuffed corpse in her grandpa's lab, making Jadesprite. So, she did in fact have a living dream self, so option #1 was available. This had the side effect of turbo charging her god tier state. She not only has the Witch of Space powers and immortality, she merged with the sprite, which was imbued with Bec's powers. She now has the abilities of a god tier player, a sprite, and a first guardian all in one.
Ironically, the green sun which they were seeking to destroy, now powers two of the heroes opposing Jack: Jade and PM.
The Scratch
This is all pretty straightforward. We saw John at the beginning, fighting very strong monsters on the Beat Mesa, and initiating the Scratch with a giant Quill of Echidna, just as he was instructed to by Karkat. He killed the monsters easily with lava tornadoes and his Pop-a-matic Vrillyhoo Hammer, completed the full jagged mark across the record's surface, and the whole Beat Mesa took off towards Skaia. It was releasing its energy the whole time, causing the Medium to crackle with that background energy you saw so often. Before it could get to Skaia, Jade teleported him to her ship. Once it entered Skaia, it fully released its temporal energy, and caused the hard reset, totally wiping out the session. But not before Jade collected all the planets, the Battlefield, and John on her Propitian battleship, and flew through a gigantic 4th wall.
The 4th Wall
First of all, she didn't actually conjure the 4th wall out of thin air. Remember when Karkat told her to turn the wall off, and then draw it? He was asking her to captchalogue an undamaged copy using her Pictionary modus, for this exact purpose. The eventual getaway. So she had it on standby, waiting for the right time to use it.
As she expanded it, and we crept ever closer to the completion of the scratch, we saw individual panels from early in the story flashing backwards. From a visualization standpoint, this is just reminding us that the scratch is in fact undoing everything we just read, all the way back to page one, and starting over fresh in a different instantiation of the universe. But if you want to understand why all that was literally being broadcast through the wall at that moment, you could consider what happened to be on the other side of the wall: Lord English's coat. Why would the interior of the coat broadcast those flashbacks? No need to get into it too much. Suffice to say, it belongs to someone purported to be a master of time.
Will the coat still be there the moment they crash through the glass? Recall that this is all happening "simultaneously" with the rest of the critical moment, which is the juncture that summons him. When he is summoned, he may need his coat. Whether he retrieves it or not, we'll just have to see.
What's waiting for them on the other side, beside a big ugly coat? Recall the setup I had with the two 4th walls facing each other, separated by one yard. They will break through the wall on the right, traveling nearly the speed of light, and presumably, break through the wall on the left to enter another reality. If you were thorough during Seer: Descend, you might have caught this excerpt on a bookshelf. "Though we adore Him we shall never enjoy His beauteous Croak. We spill our blood on acres of black and white so they may cross the yellow yard. At last in Skaia's reflection through broken glass He may find the pond in which He's meant to squat."
The yellow yard, regarding my self indulgent spiel about the degree of author intervention to expect, very simply refers to the physical distance between the two 4th walls the heroes will pass through, to escape from a doomed reality into one of promise. The heroes will coexist with me, the author, for the span of three feet, and while traveling very quickly, for the duration of thee nanoseconds. This was always my tongue in cheek way of quantifiably demonstrating the absolute minimum degree of influence an author insert can have on the story, while not having none. It's essentially a gag, but serving a practical purpose in the story, and a very concrete, understandable mechanism by which they may hop between realities.
I am also pretending that my personal interaction with Doc Scratch doesn't count as influencing the story directly. It's influencing the way the story is told, which after all, is what authors tend to do.
KALYN
Does AH do this for everything?
Because if he does, what are we even doing?
Oh hey I just fucking realized.
KALYN
Because of that conversation with Scratch Gamzee was having, and those notes he left for Karkat and Terezi (possible the others? Sollux? Since Sollux was all confused about his feelings toward Gamzee during that one flash? Hmmm...) and that part of Gamzee's conversation with Scratch when he was like "all that is motherfuckin done" and stuff. Pretty sure Scratch (or Cal, but that's like an extension of Scratch. Maybe Scratch talks to Gamzee through Cal) told Gamzee to gather everyone on the roof. Dunno about killing the other trolls though.
Mystery of his motives behind sending the weird notes: solved!
KALYN
Okay. Remember this? "CG: IT INVOLVES SOMETHING TO DO WITH A YELLOW LAWN RING.
CG: WHICH ISN'T THE HUMAN WORD FOR IT, IT'S JUST YOUR WORD IS SO DUMB I FEEL DUMB SAYING IT.
EB: word for what?
CG: I GUESS YOUR ENTIRE ESCAPE PLAN SOMEHOW PIVOTS CRITICALLY AROUND AN UNWATERED PIECE OF RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY?
...a sidewalk? What is he talking about?"
That annoyed me to no end! Apparently it's a yardstick. Thanks to AH for setting that one up. (It's in that long explanation up there, which had links to other pages of Homestuck attached. He set up the fourth walls facing each other with a yardstick separating them.)
KALYN
Hey. There's an intermission now. We get to see Lord English. Go watch it real quick before you read any further and I spoil you!
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Have you watched it?
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You watched it?
Okay good.
He is somehow connected to Gamzee.
My hope is that it isn't some older mutated Gamzee. Like some sort of Resident Evil shit. That would suck.
But see Gamzee is the only character I know with that Honking clown obsession. I don't know if that was also a part of his ancestor. The Subjugglator? Whatever he was.
He's also "the most important character in Homestuck" and Lord English is pretty fucking important.
KALYN
Oh, and he strangely was able to come into existence by occupying Doc Scratch's dead puppet body. Even the torn off leg became a part of him. But his face looks more like Cal's with the structure of it. Which also kinda makes sense, since Cal's genes went into Scratch's genetic makeup.
Also, the fact that English is honking and covered in clown makeup sort of makes Gamzee's "religion" a bit more legitimate. It seems much more relevant now.
KALYN
But it could also be attributed to the fact that Gamzee somehow altered (or rather shaped) the universe and its dwellers by sticking a Harlequin doll thing in DreamJohn's room, making clowns a part of John's subconscious, which then affected his prototyping of the Kernelsprite which then affected all the creatures of the SBURB universe (which is also their universe). Lord English' clownness could be attributed to that.
So. Who knows?
We'll have to wait and see I guess.
JESSICA
CAL! Li'l Cal! That's who he makes me think of
Fucking Li'l Cal
JESSICA
oooooofffff VERDAMMT ES! VERDAMMT ALLES! Ok, so...
Creating the Green Sun, that makes sense, and...there is very little we can say on the subject since it is canon...direct from AH's mouth/hands.
I don't think I thought they destroyed the sun, I don't think? Because Dave and Rose didn't find a sun when they stopped and set it off. It would have been painfully obvious if there was a sun. Literally (for them). The trolls probably still think Dave and Rose destroyed the sun, don't they? Or I would assume they would, since they always thought the flash of green light was the sun being destroyed.
Doc Scratch is smart and cunning enough to not have to lie yet not let someone else know the whole truth. Oh, wait, that's called only saying exactly what the other person needs to know. Although he manages to do this without making the other person suspect that something is wrong or they are missing too much of the puzzle. Rose didn't really trust him, did she? And wasn't it Vriska that had been talking to him before too? I don't remember either of them particularly liking him.
Back to what you were saying, "And it is certainly true that The Tumor you will deliver to its location has enough power to destroy it completely." That is exactly what I was talking about (I hadn't read this particular part yet). He doesn't have to lie, but he also doesn't have to tell them everything. "The sun's location" was, and would normally be translated to mean the sun would be there. Most people believe that, I'm sure I did, and did you?
"It is nearly twice the mass of our universe" I really wish I knew more about how stars are created
The reason Karkat had that book was because Sollux gave it to him (at least I'm 90% sure of that). Karkat likes programming, but he sucks at it. He also blames himself partially because of his sucky programming skills. There was something about how bad luck would befall everyone if he started a program and his computer would blow up. Well it did, and he blamed himself for all the sucky stuff. Well, that and because he was the leader and he should have taken better care of his "troops" or "followers".
With the time and space thing, I think that could help my time loop theory. It's kind of like with time travel. If you go back in time and change something, it can only exist if you always go back and change that something (which is why Back to the Future doesn't really make a whole hell of a lot of sense) Whatever you do in the past will affect what you do in the future, so, if what you do in the past would change the reason why you went in the first place the change would never have happened. ... Ok, I'm talking myself into circles and I sort of lost the point. Basically, I still think the kids and trolls are in a continuous loop. If they don't do what they do now, they will never exist, so if they deviate from what they are supposed to do they never would have done it in the first place. So either they stop existing and then NONE of this could ever have happened, or it just fixes itself. Although the former is more likely.
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Well... I should seriously learn to read this all through and then react, because I didn't see your whole spiel about the space time thing. However, I think my statement still stands.
I like your point about the green sun and the light. It gives good perspective on things.
TA: so then, we made it 0ut here alright.
AA: yes
AA: well
AA: they made it
AA: your body will arrive with them
That last part sort of implies that Sollux won't be alive when they arrive at the green sun. At least, that is how I am taking it. It wouldn't surprise me (even though it would be sad) because he is putting forth extreme physical and mental strain on his body. He can probably only put up with so much. Either that, or the (half-)ghost Sollux will be able to join back up with the live Sollux? That theory seems less likely to me.
"I won't be totally exhaustive, but I'll mention what I think is worth noting."-followed by what could easily fill (at least) two pages. Hello Rose.
Did you really think of the rules behind pool/billiards yourself, or did you look it up?
I have a problem with this whole Prospit vs. Derse thing and how that affects the heroes. Because half of the heroes are from Derse and half are from Prospit. The "locals" of the planets don't attack the heroes of their respective planet (and I don't think any of the heroes have ever been to the other planet, have they?) So, I don't know. Were all of the bad guys (at the beginning) black? I thought I saw some white ones in there too. Maybe ashen, that might be what I'm thinking about.
Ok, I guess she doesn't want the frog to happen, huh?
Wait, who prototyped a frog? I don't remember this. Who was it who didn't prototype their lusus? Feferi didn't, right?
JESSICA
(the sticky note got too full)
KALYN
FYI those large walls of text were mostly copy/pasted straight from AH's words. They were his large walls of text. So many of your questions should probably be directed to him.
Aradia prototyped a frog. It was the frog temple she had lived in.
Remember? Her lusus was already dead.
JESSICA
Oh, ok. Well, why didn't you say most of it was copy and pasted? There aren't a whole lot of direct quotes from the comic anyway, back to my part two thing of this mess
Ok, so, I only realized it really wasn't you (before I was extraordinarily confused by you not only sounding a lot like Rose, but also seeming to suddenly treat this like an essay, which I mention...but you'll see what I mean)
JESSICA
It would make sense to me if it was Fef that didn't prototype her lusus, since it was fucking Oglogoth (or whatever) and if that had been prototyped, any of the enemies could have emitted the vast glub and killed them all, right? Or was Oglogoth prototyped and that was a major fear the entire time? Or, was it Kanaya who didn't? She would make sense for the whole frog thing. Fucking A... I'm thinking of this all wrong, aren't I? They prototyped their lusi first, didn't they x.x So then the enemies had the form and power of the original prototype (the lusi) and the sprites had the intelligence of their second. That would be why the enemies don't all look like cats crossed with dogs and nanas and daves and jades x.x guh.
Did Spades Slick have to kill Snowman since Dave and Rose blew up the troll universe with the tumor? She would have died anyway, wouldn't she? Or ... did you mention something about her dying at the same time as when the tumor went off? Did she need to die for the tumor to have a proper detonation?
I totally forgot about LE using Fef's ancestor. Aradia's was pretty obvious. Who was Fef's ancestor, and how was she tied to LE? If you remember off hand, please give me a refresher.
I'm still confused about Bec Noir. What is his goal? What is his purpose for going to the trolls session? Sure his session was about to be destroyed. So was it just self-preservation? Or did he have a reason for fucking with the trolls? Is he, as a Dersean, hellbent on destroying life and keep it from being created? I felt like Jade was a little bit of his motivation for acting how he did though. Maybe I am too much of a romantic for this. I feel like he went on a rampage to exact revenge. Now I realize that it probably wasn't I was so pulling for them to have the same sort of relationship Bec and Jade always had But when you throw in the bloodthirsty super-pissed Jack things don't really turn out well.
PM's queen thing makes sense though, in terms of chess (should seriously apply that knowledge a little more often) and I only called them pawns because they aren't the king or queen or any of the "administration" So, while yes I acknowledge they are not really pawns, they are more like "commoners," laymen, or, from a strategical and royal perspective, throw away pawns for a higher purpose.
It would make sense to me that Dave and Rose wouldn't have been killed from creating the Green Sun, since, technically, their heroic act was before they died. So they all ready died that way. No need to beat a dead horse... Or dead kid...
Ok, the beat mesa. The scratch across it looked like Dave's symbol, didn't it? What is that influenced by? Is that influenced by Dave's design? The Beat Mesa looking like a record influenced by Dave's interest? Was it Dave's interest/logo that influenced the way the scratch looked? Or was it because of the end result that Dave had that symbol? I don't think this will necessarily be answered, but it is something I have been pondering.
Ok, how did Karkat know she would need the fourth wall? (Also, would you stop treating this like a research paper? XD/DX... unless that is AH speaking again?)
Oh, fuck! It is him. God, You have to say when it is not you speaking! You couldn't have even given your thoughts on all this for me to react to? Rather than just leaving it at "Well, it wasn't me saying anything, so... Go ask someone else" Thanks...
JESSICA
My Li'l Cal comment was before I read your stuff. I was a little confused why he honked, but his face definitely looks like Cal. So, LE is Gamzee's religions culmination? If so, then he has been working for this since the very beginning (with the clown thing in John's room). Maybe Cal is Gamzee's pawn and his looks are based of LE? That could explain why Gamzee is the most important character. He influenced John into prototyping with the clown, which drove Jack Noir to commit regicide and go on his rampage. Therefore everything could very well be his fault
Intriguing...
KALYN
reading
lol I answered the wrong thing...
KALYN
Aradia prototyped the frog, all the rest used their lusii, including Oglogoth. Fef's ancestor was the Condesce. I also think she's Betty Crocker. I am also confused about Noir. Derseans are not hellbent on destroying life, unless you only mean the royals. Because if was WV who decided to take a stand against all the war, and he led a rally of Dersites and Prospitians against Noir before the reckoning. I think Dave's design was a sort of foreshadowing of the Scratch on the Beat Mesa. Karkat knew she would need the fourth wall because she knew she would need it and future Jade told Karkat, who then told past Jade about it. Jade is prophetic you know, and she told Karkat about the whole plan thing, so. Yeah. Sorry about that though. I figured he could better explain everything in a way that I couldn't, being the writer and all... And I think there's more to that whole clown universe influence paradox effect. Because LE also employed the Condesce, who I think is Betty Crocker, who sent Dave that ICP video on the forum, which caused him to send it to Gamzee, which set Gamzee on a rampage, which motivated him toward revenge, which took the form of Gamzee leaving that clown in DreamJohn's room to torment him. Then the whole prototyping thing and the effects on the enemies and the universe.
Also Gamzee was manipulated by Scratch a bit, and probably Cal since he can understand him to some extent. Same thing though, since Cal is pretty much Scratch's ancestor and it seems that Scratch is LE's ancestor/host body(?) so Cal has a direct relation to LE.
The question is to what end are Cal, Scratch and LE making sure all these things happen? Besides bringing LE into the universe. Why does LE need to come into the universe? What is his purpose? What is his ultimate goal?
JESSICA
Yeah...
I forget to mention that the 8 balls were the only constant among the flashing pool balls (although I think I might have seen some among the flashing ones)
I just thought it was interesting, but nothing too surprising given the circumstances
KALYN
I noticed that too, and I think it's binary code. 8balls=0 and the others=1 or something like that, since it was what the virus was supposed to look like.
JESSICA
Maybe