This is some analysis (mostly of UU/uu) supplemented by stuff I found funny. And because I don't wanna be a name dropper when we're talking about stuff like this, I changed some names in a certain conversation (into infinitely more interesting ones, because why not have fun while I'm at it?).
KALYN
I love the Feferi counterpart troll already!
I have a feeling she's gonna be a total bamf and probably the only female character I would totally bang haha
I mean
just
look at her!
oh and spoilers btw ha
Morgan brought up an interesting point though concerning this session's correspondence with the beta trolls session
namely, how?
the alpha trolls could correspond with the beta kids presumably because they created that universe after winning their own session
they were further connected because of Bec Noir creating the rift between the two sessions
JESSICA
true
KALYN
but how have the alpha kids been able to have these encounters with the beta trolls?
JESSICA
and she kinda looks like a punk
KALYN
is it gonna form some reacharound where the alpha kids end up creating the beta troll universe or something?
JESSICA
i've suggested that before .
KALYN
even though...the trolls seem to know something they don't, since they're just greeting them while the kids are like being generally befuddled by them.
JESSICA
it's almost like a figure eight
KALYN
yeah, very much so
bet sn0wman has something to do with this
ha
JESSICA
schweet
KALYN
'cept she's dead now
she was...kind of like the scratch, wasn't she?
JESSICA
sorry, in the middle of something, i'll come up with better responses later!
KALYN
you kill her, you kill the universe
that's fine, I'm just on a think tangent
Also, this is very much obvious right now, but just for the sake of connecting dots and filling in gaps
KALYN
Dirk and Roxy totally know a lot about their session, the Condesce, and her involvement in the (apparent) deaths of their guardians because of her rule on Derse and the fact that Dirk has been awake on Derse the whole time and Roxy...sleepwalks a lot on Derse, but does she dream? Maybe she gets more knowledge from those Dersian exiles in her lab.
I think these trolls are like complete opposites from their alpha counterparts. Vriska's counterpart was really kind of preppy and looked a little retro, and Fef's counterpart is totally punk rock rather than all girly and pretty.
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MORGAN
AH HOLY SHIT! *SPOILERSSPOILERSSPOILERS!*
bitch is a flash stepper
and ...
and... she... she's... i ... don't do it! DX
actually, I'm a bit confused about the trolls right now so... my ramblings are completely incoherent...
and it's good to see that they have the same typing quirks, otherwise that might be tedious as fuck.
EMILY
UU doesn't
KALYN
UU's like a different troll. The fabled "thirteenth troll" I think? Yeah, something like that.
Why is she trying to put Roxy to sleep? Or knock her out or whatever? I definitely think that the trolls are all like complete opposites of their counterparts. Because Vriska's counterpart just smiled and waved. This chick's attacking!
Granted, they're also in the void right now. Don't know why their paths crossed, but time and space are pretty much obsolete in the void, so it's acceptable. (It's kinda like a rule breaker, huh. Screw continuity, we're in the void!) But yeah, we don't know how far in the game this chick is and what would drive her to do this, so hey. Karkat hated the fuck out of the kids at first because of their effect on the trolls' session, and now he's pretty warmed up to them. Guess we'll see.
JESSICA
But she's smiling
Don't forget this is basically the Condesce XD
Anyway, she's smiling, so i don't think she is attacking out of hate, unless she's batshit insane.
Although, I'm going to call it right now. She's messing with Roxy. That's what I'm going to call. That is my bet.
KALYN
'Cept the Condesce is the Alpha version of her, with all the war-ness that Doc Scratch poured on Alternian culture. But yeah it does make some sense, 'cept how would you explain the likes of Mindfang? She was more like Vriska than it seems that Beta troll. IDK
I think she's messing with her too
JESSICA
lol, i know she won't have the exact same personality
hmmm
never mind . i was going to say something, but then I realized it was a little silly and mostly pointless
KALYN
oh?
JESSICA
yeah, it's nothing x.x
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EMILY
so, i was gonna get some homestuck in before i left so i could get at least some of your SPOILERS
but, i guess i'm gonna do it now
SPOILERS!
so, this uu is probably UU's sister (seeing as how dirk says sister)
and they have kinda similar typing quirks
the capitalizations are just switched around
FUCK
or
that could be UU and dirk is talking about a different person as "sister"
and UU is the one that goes gamzee crazy for some reason and only contacts dirk
the 2nd one is my first thought, but this uu has a different sign
so...
those are my thoughts now you get to tell me how i'm wrong!
KALYN
I think it's two people, but the question is what session they each belong to. It's probably good that UU has a counterpart, since all the other players do as well, but we didn't see any UU during Hivebent. So do both of these trolls belong to the Beta troll session? Or is one or both of them in a separate session? Or did one of them participate in the Alpha troll session but in a less obvious way? (I don't think this one's possible, they would have to have entered the medium with a server player and all that.)
Here's a crazy idea. Humans "pester" and trolls "troll" but these guys "cheer" and "jeer". So are they a different species? Do you think these two are playing in their own session? They only talked about four universes, but they certainly could just be like outsiders looking in, much like readers of a book series or something who know the story and are heavily invested. These guys are like fans who want to interact with their favorite characters or something (since UU does draw fanart and write fanfiction). Just a thought.
KALYN
second UU seems more like an anti-fan though...
seems somewhat like Karkat with the whole "you fucked up big time...the amount of time you people"-what's that supposed to mean?-"waste, it's unbelievable to me" yaddayadda
first UU is based on the Homestuck fanbase. Second UU is based on the anti fanbase, people who hate Homestuck, because I notice UU2 is totally complaining about shit people who hate Homestuck are constantly complaining about. Fanbase included.
UU1 is on Prospit, UU2 on Derse...but no Derse we've seen...So I'm thinking either Beta troll session had 14 players, OR they're in their own session.
If it's the latter, there's the question of why they can communicate with the Alpha kids. Also, the pesterlogs were "ancient transcripts" so...is time actually playing a role here? or is it irrelevant again? what universe are they in?
I do like the Gamzee theory though, haha. Only thing is Gamzee kept his symbol, name, and typing color. It was the quirk that changed.
EMILY
Which is why I don't believe that theory as much.
JESSICA
Can I just throw this out there before I finish reading this mess of "Who is UU's counterpart" please? That is probably UU's brother, and he was the one she was talking about having issues and stuff. "Your sister was saying you were having some doubts playing," said Dirk. Guys, it's not that hard... He also reminds me of Karkat, getting so angry at the humans after watching/reading all about them and junk. You guys are getting confusing up there
JESSICA
Keep it simple stupid
I will say this, I wouldn't be surprised if UU has a split personality disorder
I don't think they are a different species, because UU had troll horns when we actually got to see her. Giant freaking troll horns, but troll horns none the less.
She also drew Dirk's god tier with fairy wings, something that the trolls have due to their basically being bugs anatomy (deal with the terrible sentence/grammar D:)
So, UndyingUmbrage has the same relationship with the kids as Karkat did only without the silly "going back in time to mess with you" tactic (which i think made Karkat begin to like them more, because, with John, he was expecting Kar to talk to him again)
The idea that UU and uu are based off the fan and anti-fan base makes sense though
but i don't know if that means they are necessarily from another timeline
There could have been 14 members, and then they had issues because of that, and in the troll alpha session they were cut out. they could have been more of a liability than an asset to either the game or to Doc Scratch/Lord English
Soooo, yeah
that's what i have to say about that, silly people overcomplicating things 9.9
EMILY
Pretty much what you just said were my two theories just in different words
JESSICA
ok, it was confusing up there and getting really complicated
KALYN
What do you mean it's not that hard? I don't think we were having an issue about who they were in relation to each other.
I don't think we were being overcomplicated either.
The evidence I think would be if the kids start talking to other trolls and instead of "trolling" the also "cheer" or "jeer" or whatever else there can be.
But I don't think it's necessary yet to rule out the idea that they're in their own session, since they're almost like on the outside looking into this whole "four universes come together" thing.
Even if they're also trolls.
But yeah my guess is beta trolls, and there were 14 members of the first one. Little weird though how we have a pair of twins (I'm going with that, since they're usually the same age) in this session and neither of them show up in the alpha trolls session.
JESSICA
I think what happened was I got on and was like "Hopy shit! Words D:"
KALYN
Now you know how Emily feels.
EMILY
YEAH
JESSICA
*cough*
EMILY
yes?
JESSICA
I would like to apologize for thinking that UU and uu having their own session was ridiculous
BAAAAAH
(imma sheep)
(a very angry sheep, but a sheep nonetheless)
there's not a whole lot that happened this time, but some interesting tidbits i guess?
sooo, sorta spoilers up there?
The first sentence I say probably could be
EMILY
i'm just all sorta confused with this update
not like ya'll could help confused
more like, how this is gonna go confused
so, there's only 2 players in this session UU and uu
and we've seen vriska counter part and fef counter part
what about the other trolls?
JESSICA
they're coming, I'm sure
EMILY
kinda wanna know what tav and gamzee counter part trolls are like
JESSICA
btw, on Yaldaboath .org/wiki/Demiurge
EMILY
but what about the 2 players?
JESSICA
page also has Timaeus
ooooh, good point! Rufio (or the animal tamer dude, whatever)! How will he be? Will he be super angry and tough?
EMILY
will he be raging bull?
JESSICA
lol, hopefully XD
from that wiki page: Now the archon (ruler) who is weak has three names. The first name is Yaltabaoth, the second is Saklas ("fool"), and the third is Samael. And he is impious in his arrogance which is in him. For he said, "I am God and there is no other God beside me," for he is ignorant of his strength, the place from which he had come
JESSICA
More: He is Demiurge and maker of man, but as a ray of light from above enters the body of man and gives him a soul, Yaldabaoth is filled with envy; he tries to limit man's knowledge by forbidding him the fruit of knowledge in paradise. The Demiurge, fearing lest Jesus, whom he had intended as his Messiah, should spread the knowledge of the Supreme God, had him crucified by the Romans. At the consummation of all things all light will return to the Pleroma. But Yaldabaoth, the Demiurge, with the material world, will be cast into the lower depths.
JESSICA
Even More:
In Pistis Sophia Yaldabaoth has already sunk from his high estate and resides in Chaos, where, with his forty-nine demons, he tortures wicked souls in boiling rivers of pitch, and with other punishments
This is interesting because of the whole "12" thing: one of the twelve angels to come "into being [to] rule over chaos and the [underworld]". He comes from heaven, his "face flashed with fire and whose appearance was defiled with blood". Nebro creates six angels in addition to the angel Saklas to be his assistants. These six in turn create another twelve angels "with each one receiving a portion in the heavens."
EMILY
ummmm
english please?
JESSICA
x.x
ok
let's see
EMILY
:)
JESSICA
this is Christian lore (gnostic=early christian stuff apparently, far as i can tell)
a demiurge=creator of the universe
but Yaldaboath created the /material/ world while God created the immaterial, apparently
Material=evil
Immaterial=good
JESSICA
it's a wee bit confusing, since he is a demiurge, but the definition they used was Plato's and I'm pretty sure the times don't line up
nevermind
Gnosticism presents a distinction between the highest, unknowable God and the demiurgic "creator" of the material. Several systems of Gnostic thought present the Demiurge as antagonistic to the will of the Supreme Being: his act of creation occurs in unconscious semblance of the divine model, and thus is fundamentally flawed, or else is formed with the malevolent intention of entrapping aspects of the divine in materiality. Thus, in such systems, the Demiurge acts as a solution to the problem of evil.
EMILY
...
JESSICA
he's sort of like the actual satan, from the looks of things
EMILY
think i might read that when it's not 1:30 and i can fully concentrate
JESSICA
satan was cast down, but Yaldaboath is the real guy who get's under God's skin
But "Yaldaboathists" just doesn't roll as well
i want to copy and paste the shit out of this article because it's really interesting, but i don't know what else actually applies
it's just so goddamn interesting!
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MORGAN
to the whole demiurge thing, i read a bit of those links, and plato's timaeus thing, and i see a connection btw the evil material world/being and lord english, fo sho.
MORGAN
oh yeah, i was gonna tell yall like... earlier... but remember that guy who works at p-cafe who said i looked beautiful that day? Well, last night, as he was making my honey chicken sandwich, he drew a heart with the mustard.
EMILY
FUCK YEAH!
MORGAN
:D
EMILY
SEXY MOGAN!
MORGAN
fuck yes?
I AM SEXEH!
EMILY
FUCK YES
FUCK YEAH
MORGAN
lawl emily, this is intelligent
EMILY
FUCK YEAH
i am a very intelligent person!
MORGAN
but yeah, that's my little story. I am incredibly flattered by this.
EMILY
yay!
…
EMILY
welll
i bought the posterboard for the flow chart
MORGAN
WOOT WOOOOOOT!
i am excite
EMILY
psh whatevs
MORGAN
i am over a tenth of the way to getting a sweet pair of headphones from
woot
EMILY
pimpin!
MORGAN
at this rate, i will have them by... the end of september
EMILY
excite!
MORGAN
but realistically, because i only ever actually get coke products at college, it'll probably be more like... in about a year.
and a month
EMILY
yeah
hi
MORGAN
hey
sorry, i was planning
something
EMILY
sup?
MORGAN
nm
EMILY
HOW DARE YOU?
MORGAN
you?
waht
EMILY
i'm watching videos from the starkid space tour
MORGAN
sweet
EMILY
how dare you be...planning...something...
MORGAN
i know somebody who went to it...
EMILY
whaaaaa?
MORGAN
ye
she's in my history of media arts class
EMILY
can i beat them up?
MORGAN
names ... stephanie i think
no
EMILY
why?
MORGAN
well, i don't think it's actually currently possible
so you literally cannot
EMILY
but
please?
MORGAN
bbut ... maybe if you can find your way to boston, and then figure out who she is yourself, then maybe
i mean, if you can do that, then you will officially have my blessing to beat her up
EMILY
YAY!
MORGAN
because clearly, if you will have gotten that far, then there will be literally nothing i could do to stop you.
EMILY
YAY!
MORGAN
i feel like i should change my profile pic soon...
EMILY
oh?
what's it from?
MORGAN
that one's from december
which isn't too long ago... but still
EMILY
oh
you should have one that has me in it
MORGAN
for some reason, being at emerson makes me feel like i should change my pic more frequently
i don't know if i have any pics on here with you in them, not recent ones at least
EMILY
(you should have one that has me in it)
YOU SHOULD!
WHO CARES IF IT'S RECENT!
MORGAN
but... it's my profile
which means it's about me
EMILY
so
MORGAN
not you
EMILY
:(
MORGAN
and i feel the need to have a recent pic
because i go to a communications school
and things like that... sort of... matter... somewhat
i just want a recent one, okay?
EMILY
fine then
i'm gonna take a picture with someone you don't know and it'll be my profile pic for fuckin ever!
MORGAN
alrighty then
you have my official blessing to do that
EMILY
MUAHAHAHAHAHA
i will do it tonight in fact
going to see a play
MORGAN
ok
i cannot wait
EMILY
MUAHAHAHHAHA
YOU KNOW THAT YOU'RE SO SAD
MORGAN
and i will be looking forward to seeing your new profile picture
with your new best friend
MORGAN
whom i don't know
and neither do you
EMILY
MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
MORGAN
(or do you?)
EMILY
i know her
you don't
MORGAN
seriously, that would be great if you took a pic with a stranger and made it your profile pic
EMILY
she might be julia and my's FUCK? nre roommate
MORGAN
but yes
EMILY
*new
MORGAN
uh...
that was only slightly coherent
EMILY
k "hey random stranger, can i take a picture with you?"
MORGAN
tourettes?
EMILY
yeah
but...do you know what i meant?
MORGAN
uh... i'm not sure
JESSICA
More words D:
MORGAN
pointless words
EMILY
the random fuck was cause the terrible grammar
MORGAN
don't even bother reading them
except for the part about my "suitor"
you can go read that part
it's cute
oh.
EMILY
didn't even realize that we were talking on this one...
MORGAN
haha, really? I specifically came to this one... so that's probably why
EMILY
oh...
JESSICA
lol
well, i read it all anyway
Morgan, guess what?
EMILY
lawl
JESSICA
You're not going to guess
MORGAN
what
what
JESSICA
I'm drinking a coke!
MORGAN
woah!
JESSICA
i give code now
MORGAN
i can haz coad?
JESSICA
under the cap?
MORGAN
yay!
EMILY
I'M NOT DRINKING ANYTHING
MORGAN
yeah
!
EMILY
i was drinking a dasani and there wasn't a cod
FUCK YOU
AND FUCK YOUR SEXUAL TENSION
JESSICA
(sends code)
MORGAN
wait... but dasani is a coke product
JESSICA
"A cod"?
ike a cod piece?
EMILY
CODE
CODE
CODE
I MEANT CODE
JESSICA
lololololol
MORGAN
what?
oh
nvm
(now i have 119 points yaya!)
MORGAN
apparently yaya instead of yay
JESSICA
wooo!
MORGAN
which makes me think of...
EMILY
69?
A SEX TAPE
MY FLOW CHART?
A BABY?
JESSICA
?
EMILY
TAVROS?
BLANKETS?
THE UNO MAVERICKS?
JESSICA
buckets?
EMILY
trying to guess what it made her think of
A COAT
WINTER
FUZE
CALENDARS
YOUR YOUNGER YEARS
Y'S?
MORGAN
wow, i went to fetch a link, but these are too hilarious
EMILY
HOW Q IS A DRUNK LETTER
what link?
MORGAN
lawl, i havent sent it yet
cause i was reading your guesses
i like "your younger years"
but no
EMILY
fuck that shit
MORGAN
here
MORGAN
.com/watch?v=PChUEyZTQuM&ob=av2n
MORGAN
it all goes back to kpop
EMILY
yeah i liked mine better
MORGAN
it was more creative i suppose
…..
EMILY
food want
want food bad?
no no
*know
MORGAN
kalyn just came back with food
EMILY
john friend here
emily no want meet john friend
emily leave in hour
emily go see play
emily no want see play
play long
MORGAN
play long?
EMILY
yes
play long
emily no want see long play
play about 3 hours
fuck long play
play maybe depressing
MORGAN
lawl, so when kalyn went down, she got a philly cheese steak just like i did, and when she asked for pepperjack, kevin (whose name i have just now learned) was all "she wanted pepperjack too"
about me btw... lawl
anyway, i'm done talking about myself
starting NOW
EMILY
oh god
MORGAN
what
EMILY
john friend daughter too?
fuck this shiz
emily food want
MORGAN
john friend daughter with?
EMILY
yeah
MORGAN
fuck dat
how old jfd?
EMILY
fuck that fuck yeah
MORGAN
h-hello?
EMILY
yeah
MORGAN
how old?
EMILY
i dunno
emily wonder why caitie no text
MORGAN
estimate?
EMILY
psh
i've only heard her voice
MORGAN
oh
vague range?
EMILY
yeah
MORGAN
uh...
EMILY
yes?
MORGAN
i mean vague age range guess?
not vocal range?
EMILY
yeah
wait
fuck
i don't know
MORGAN
child?
teen?
adult?
tween?
MORGAN
old lady?
EMILY
tween-teen
MORGAN
decrepit?
ah
worst kind
EMILY
MUAHAHHAA DECREPIT
fuck yeah
and fuck you chick
MORGAN
lawl
EMILY
i already don't like you
MORGAN
just by her voice
JESSICA
It's being so meeeeeean D'X
MORGAN
yeah fuck dat bitch
EMILY
no
MORGAN
what is?
EMILY
not just by her voice
JESSICA
my SD card
MORGAN
by waht?
EMILY
wait
MORGAN
ok
i will wait forever
EMILY
who/what are we talking about?
MORGAN
(because you're worth it)
uh... you?
or dat chick?
EMILY
maybe i'm born with it
MAYBE IT'S MAYBELLINE
well
MORGAN
or jessica's sd card?
EMILY
i thought so too
but..didn't know if we switched to the sd card
MORGAN
no, i was gonna keep with dat chick cause she's way more interesting than an sd card
EMILY
MUAHAHAHAHAHA
i dunno
chick is in mah space
MORGAN
dat bitch
EMILY
dis mah space
bitch betta back off!
MORGAN
yeah, you tellz dat bitch to get outa yo space
EMILY
fuck yeah
MORGAN
exactly where iz yo space and that bitch in proximity to it?
currently?
EMILY
i'm in my room
she was in the outer room
MORGAN
and she in there too?
oh
EMILY
now they upstairs
MORGAN
lawl
better i spose
EMILY
bitch not be in mah room
MORGAN
good
EMILY
then i'm gonna have ta smack a bitch
MORGAN
totes
and you would have my full blessing to do so
EMILY
yay!
psh, there's only one chick i think i could take in a cat fight...
MORGAN
krysanthemum?
EMILY
well
EMILY
two maybe
MORGAN
lawl
who else?
EMILY
she was the second person
jeanarnia
MORGAN
oh lawl yeah
but i get the feeling she would scratch and bite and pull hair
EMILY
i've actually visioned how that fight would plan out
MORGAN
like, i feel like if she was in a legit cat fight, she would be vicious as fuck
dude!
EMILY
yeah
MORGAN
yeah
MORGAN
omigosh
EMILY
but...what about krysanthemum?
fuck...
MORGAN
jeanarnia and krysanthemum in a cat fight
krysanthemum would lose
but yeah
EMILY
what do you think krysanthemum would be like in a cat fight?
MORGAN
like, jeanarnia would rip her to shreds
EMILY
or a bitch fight
MORGAN
krysanthemum would curl up in a ball
EMILY
WE'VE moved on from jeanarnia
sweet
i'll get in a fight with krysanthemum
take that bitch DOWN
MORGAN
lawl
i feel like you would get so much shit for that
EMILY
yeaaaaah
oh well
who would "give it to me " that i would really care about?
MORGAN
um... kalyn
i have submitted her name into the goblet of flaming charisma im just spitting out word vomit now
EMILY
kalyn would give me shit for beating up krysanthemum?
MORGAN
uh... no, i fazed the shit out of that sentence (lawl) so that she's just giving "it" to you
so, actually, i fazed the "sh" out of it
out of "shit"
too many puns!
EMILY
hahaha
JESSICA
You people
EMILY
:)
MORGAN
What do you mean "you people?"
lawl
don't answer that
gah! sudden head ache! okay it's gone ish now
EMILY
it's nice to know who you could beat up in a fight!
YOU RACIST
YOU PEOPLE?
…..
EMILY
i really am hungry now...
but bitch is upstairs
and john and his friend are up the hill
MORGAN
its yo howse
EMILY
fuck that shiz
MORGAN
you go get yo food
EMILY
i don't wanna be meetin new people
MORGAN
and you let dat bitch know whose house it is
just ignore her den
?
EMILY
FUCK YEAH
MORGAN
:D
EMILY
boo ya bitch