For the first time in quite a while, this is almost completely analysis. And deep analysis too. Mostly about the UU/uu characters.
KALYN
I'm reading Homestuck right now.
So I might have comments on it, but I also might be too lazy to have comments, so we'll see.
KALYN
I mean there is one important thing, and that's that ventriloquist dummies are apparently terrible omens or something like that, they just harbor bad things. Dirk refuses to get rid of him though because he feels it's his only connection to his brother. But Dave hates Cal, so this can't be true, so my guess is it was planted there, you know, since Cal is pretty much Doc Scratch's ancestor (and Lord English's as well, for that matter).
KALYN
oh yeah also these UU trolls have one of those timeline things as well, so forget anything I might've said about their limits to speaking in order. I mean, I'm sure they're speaking in an orderly manner just to keep things simple, unlike the trolls before, but they're still privy to the kids' timelines...at least up until they enter the medium, I think.
KALYN
uu: AND THE FACT THAT I MIGHT NOT CLuE YOu INTO YOuR FATE ALL THE TIME.
uu: DuE TO MY AGGRAVATED APATHY OVER THE MATTER.
uu: IS AN IMMuTABLE FACT. I AM STATING FOR THE RECORD.
uu: IT DOES NOT MEAN THAT GIVING A SHIT IS WHAT IS TAKING PLACE HERE.
TT: I feel like you've said something like that before.
TT: Different statements, but in that exact syntax.
uu: OH. YOu KNOW WHAT ELSE I HATE?
uu: WHEN THAT FuCKING HAPPENS.
blahahahaha references. See? Hussie loves his repetition.
KALYN
uu: I SHOuLD HAVE KEPT IT BRIEF. AND SuRLY. LIKE I WAS GOING TO.
uu: LIKE JuST SAID.
uu: "HELLO DIRK."
uu: "I WANT TO PLAY A GAME."
uu: AND THEN LIKE.
uu: "BRO."
uu: "ROOF. NOW."
uu: "BRING JuJu."
uu: AND THAT'S IT.
uu: YEAH. THAT WOuLD HAVE BEEN GOOD.
uu: COLD FuCKING BLOODED. TO THE POINT. DAMMIT.
TT: That actually sounds familiar too.
TT: Are you sure you haven't said something like that before?
This troll is like many other trolls combined, haha. Karkat, and now some Gamzee. Is he the ultimate troll? haha
KALYN
And now the "drones" have arrived and Dirk is about to kick some ass, presumably.
Can't wait to see it!
JESSICA
Random thought: Rose never played the rain, did she?
KALYN
Ooooh, good one! I forgot about that! Have we talked about it before? I think we have, but it hasn't come up in a while
EMILY
so, i have an update on the bitch
can't stand her
she reminds me of adi from hal lunch
told my sister about that and she said that she was just like me
uhhhh
fuck that shit
and she's 13
JESSICA
? Who what now?
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What the fuck are you talking about Emily? Every time I look at your little string of comments it makes less and less sense.
Anyway, back to what you were saying Kalyn, I don't have much to add. Except maybe, how does uu make you think of Gamzee? I can definitely see Karkat, but I'm not so sure about Gamzee
Also, I'm not surprised that Cal is evil XD Hussie has not made it subtle though. It does sorta make it a little easier to follow Cal though. All of the Cals we have seen might not be the same Li'l Cal we are used to (probably isn't). It would also make sense why Gamzee had a Cal as well. How could he have gotten him? Bro did bring him with, right? But how could Gamzee have gotten him onto the asteroid? I dunno. Random ramblings and stuff.
JESSICA
uu is also doing that stupid self-fulfilling prophecy thing that the trolls were doing! Can't be that good, can it? The most outside influence the trolls had (that we know of) was Rose's walk through and that was just the very beginning, and I'm pretty sure it was just Kanaya who read that, right?
JESSICA
Also, I don't think uu can see very far into the future. He might be able to and UU is just telling him not to, but I somewhat doubt he would listen to her (althoug it's not impossible. There must be a reason they are playing together)
What if there session is like all those sessions on Earth that were never really able to get started since they weren't the "chosen ones" or whatever? Rose looked for walkthroughs and found some, but they were all horribly written. They didn't make it very far, though. What if UU and uu don't survive That would kinda suck
JESSICA
So they could be from one of the Alternia's (probably Beta), but they don't make it. Sort of like an off tangent. OR they /could/ be a tangent, but we get to follow them through as though they didn't die. It would be a little paradoxical for them all to meet, since technically, if they succeeded, at the very least, the Alpha trolls and Earth wouldn't exist. Unless if they scratched there session their Alpha session was able to create a frog and that frog was the Kid's universe. This would be assuming that no matter who creates it, the same worlds beget the same worlds. So the Alternian session would always create Earth, no matter what who collected and bred the frogs.
JESSICA
I was also thinking. Who is actually necessary for the session? You have the frog breeder and you have the ectobiologist, but is anyone else super necessary for the end mean? However, at the same time, all of the frog breeders and ectobiologists we have seen have been Prospitian dreamers, so we can kind of assume that is because Prospit creates while Derse destroys? I don't know if that has been covered and I'm mostly rambling about this stuff. And I'm not saying that the Dersian's are "evil," we know that isn't the case, but they are on the destructive side of life while Prospit is on the creation. It's more like the Prospitian dreamers are there to level the playing field. You always need a 1:1 ratio.
JESSICA
I think what I'm trying to say is that it is possible to have two players to a session, but UU is going to have to do double duty.
KALYN
(The Gamzee thing would be the "Bro. Roof. Now. Bring the _.")
KALYN
I remember speculating about how Cal got to Gamzee, and whether the Cal that Gamzee has now is older or younger than the one Dave grew up with and all that. Could go back and read HT until I find it or something. I think Cal was on a hoverboard or something like that once during the reckoning.
JESSICA
Mmmm, true, I think I remember that, and if he traveled straight towards their asteroid, he could have gotten there eventually. Kinda like the kids and trolls are traveling to the Alpha kid world.
KALYN
I'm also pretty sure that the UUs can only see the kids' session up until they enter the medium. isn't that what UU1 told Roxy? She can't see what they do after they start playing? Mostly likely because of Roxy's void thing, but it could be something else. Either way, that's why UU2 doesn't know what happens.
JESSICA
Also, this is so ridiculous, and yet for some reason it makes me think of Dirk. Could be the guys glasses/
Right, yes
KALYN
(I'll check that out in a bit, hang on)
KALYN
Um as for their session and whether it will be successful, the idea that they'll fail is certainly plausible, but IDK if they would be able to adequately communicate with each other if it will fail. Shouldn't their universes be connected in some way? But the spiel about creating each other's universes totally confused me, so maybe clarify. It was a bit rambly.
I like that Prospitians create Dersites destroy thing though. But I just love shit like that.
JESSICA
Ok, this is best explained...with a simple flow chart .
Alpha Alternia=Beta Earth
always, no matter what
KALYN
That is a silly comic.
Anyway, go on.
JESSICA
And I was thinking that if UU and uu are from an Alernia (I know, it made me giggle though) then it's probably a failed session in the Alpha timeline (where our trolls create Earth)
So them talking to each other would be paradoxical
KALYN
Wait wait, already you've lost me. Why does Alpha Alternia=Beta Earth? In what way? Do you mean Alpha Alternia created Beta Earth?
JESSICA
uuuuh
yes
sorry, i guess that wasn't clear, i meant to add a
KALYN
ok. now why would it be paradoxical for "them" (the U's and the Alpha kids?) to talk to each other?
JESSICA
Because, if they are from Alternia, then if they succeeded, the Beta Earth would never have come to be, and then the Alpha Earth wouldn't have either
Unless Alternia always = Earth
Guh, created would be way smpler to say .
I should stop being lazy
They could be an entirely different race of beings, that's not impossible, but the clues point to them being from one of the Alternias
probably the first one
Does that make any more sense :S
Um... You're not saying anything . . :S
KALYN
1) I don't see why, if their session succeeded, it would prevent the creation of Beta Earth. 2) If they're in their own session, why is it more likely that they are from the first Alternia? (I mean, I know we're meeting Beta Trolls right now, so I guess I see that.)
Basically, why would their success mean that the Alpha trolls didn't create Beta Earth? Because there wouldn't be a scratched session from the Beta trolls? Then you say, if they did succeed then maybe earth would exist anyway if Earth was always going to be the next universe created from that universe. But that makes even less sense, since we know that the Alpha trolls' session created Beta Earth, not this random tangent session.
KALYN
Furthermore, if they are in fact from the Alpha trolls' session, then we know they didn't succeed. Because they scratched.
I actually find the theory that they're a failed session to be credible.
But that just makes us wonder why they're able to communicate with these kids.
So scratch that I guess.
JESSICA
I think a lot of the confusion comes from me rambling and throwing out theories while i think
I seriously need to draw a flowchart or something for this x.x
Which I will do
I will beat Emily to it, too
KALYN
Ha ok. It better be very thorough, show the connections you made.
And include all possible outcomes.
As well as all possible theories on the origins of this session.
JESSICA
That was the plan
Now let's just hope I don't make /that/ super confusing too
KALYN
S'long as it's thorough and whenever you make any statement, you don't assume we know how you got there. Just explain why things are.
JESSICA
Eeeyup
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EMILY
FUCK YEAH I READ ALL THAT
so-julia=remember yesterday i was talking about the bitch that came that i didn't like? that's what i meant
i like the uu and UU failed universe theory too
and FUCK NO
I'M GONNA BE DONE WITH THE FLOW CHART SOON
JESSICA
I...don't remember that at all...
EMILY
oh well
morgan and i were talking about it while you were talking about your sd card
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KALYN
JANE STARTED PLAYING!
She's almost entered the medium, the first meteor's been spotted! Let the games begin! XO
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JESSICA
I'm going to say read Homestuck before going through all of this, but first I would like to say, "Everybody out of the god damn way. You got a lab full of cats, a skirt full of scamper, and a head full of vodka." Which, when I think about it, sounds very familiar.
Like a movie quote or something
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KALYN
hm it does sound kinda familiar
also, guys, someone broke the news to Dante about Hussie and Rufio. someone who knows him irl, so I'm not mad, but epic lawls. poor Dante... I kind of want to macro the picture of his reaction. "Dante is not amused."
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MORGAN
Ok, after finally being able to get on the interwebs after two days *kalyn* I had a comment about the UU/uu trolls... like, maybe UU is like a sort of conglomerate of the girl trolls, and uu of the guys, or kalyn suggested it could be passive and active classes or something. But it could also just be AH and his repetition thing.
MORGAN
um... as far as the universe thing, like what jessica was rambling about, I wonder if there can be more than one session per planet/universe? like kalyn was saying, there are all those sessions on earth that couldn't really get going cause they weren't the chosen ones or whatever, and i doubt all of those people playing those sessions came to earth on meteors... meaning they probably have no ectobiologist in those sessions because they're not ecto-people... they're likely real mammalian humans. Which makes me wonder, were uu and UU ecto-trolls? or are they actual trolls hatched from whatever trolls hatch from...
JESSICA
(i thought I mentioned the multi-session thing . doesn't really matter i guess...)
MORGAN
maybe, somebody said it
JESSICA
lol, regardless, pretty sure that was a main point I was attempting to convey, but got lost in the garbage that was my ramble
anyway, any other theories!
MORGAN
okay, well here i am clarifying
um, mainly just contemplations
I'm still wondering what UU and uu have to do with everything
ooh, you know how kalyn said a long time ago they were like all HS fans and antifans personified together in two characters/
JESSICA
yup
MORGAN
wait... nevermind, this doesn't fit quite well with what i was gonna suggest
JESSICA
lol
MORGAN
I mean, it makes sense that uu should sound like Karkat, cause at the beginning karkat was like the ultimate human hater
but he also pulled a brief Gamzee moment, and gamzee was pretty much indifferent to them
so nevermind i guess
JESSICA
hmm
where did the syntax come from though? maybe that could explain why he seems like Gamzee as well?
if it was from something that inspired his creation, I mean
MORGAN
the syntax is like classic hussie syntax. pretty much everybody talks like that.
i mean, some characters are more straightforward, like john doesn't talk like that, and jade doesn't really either... maybe a little.
JESSICA
really? with the random weird sentence thing?
MORGAN
wait, what random weird sentence thing. that was vague
give me an example
JESSICA
It's sort of. Like a way. To prove a point. But he does this. At weird times.
MORGAN
Oh, that is uniquely his
Nobody else really does that
JESSICA
yeah, and I think that might have been what Dirk was referring to?
MORGAN
Maybe?
But nobody else talks like that? So I don't think... I can't really make any connections here
the syntax I was thinking about is just how phrases are arranged, regardless of punctuation.
JESSICA
Like I said, it could be referring to something outside of Homestuck
MORGAN
like what
JESSICA
ok
i don't know! just a movie or something
what movies has he referenced?
MORGAN
the breaking up sentences with periods thing?
JESSICA
yeah
MORGAN
why can't it just be a quirk?
JESSICA
it could be
MORGAN
all trolls have quirks, are they all references to things outside of homestuck?
JESSICA
le sign, it was a suggestion, also, what is "tumut"?
MORGAN
well, the t's are supposed to be like hands flipping you off, so like... a face... that flips you off
also, gonna give you some copy pasta from mspawiki
MORGAN
Andrew also mentioned that there is another blood color unaccounted for by the surviving trolls, a lime green color that would usually fit between Sollux's and Nepeta's colors on the hemospectrum. Besides the answer, the only other proof that this exists in the comic is the fact that lime green blood can be seen on the walls of the Grand Highblood and possibly from the Pesterchum symbol of URANIANUMBRA.
also, Uranium is lime green, so there's that connection
JESSICA
good point
MORGAN
and UU and uu are the only trolls whose signs have two colors: UU has lime green and grey, and she types in grey
uu has red and black and he types in black
can we assume his blood color is also red?
probably
and it's that bright red too
JESSICA
also, i just thought of a reason why UU and uu are from the Beta Alternia. UU was wearing a "signless" cufflink, like "Mindfang" was wearing a "signless" necklace
MORGAN
which would mean they're from the alpha, not the beta.
the signless and mindfang are the ancestors from the alpha universe
the beta universe was much more tame, like i'm pretty sure the hemospectrum wasn't a thing
JESSICA
yeees
that's what I'm saying, that's why i put mindfang in quotes, since we don't know her name...
but that's Mindfang pre-scratch
MORGAN
but... you said they're part of the beta alternia because of this, which i disagree with
the signless didn't have a sign in the beta, because he wasn't put in those 69 cuffs, because he wasn't troll jesus in the beta alternia!
JESSICA
(btw, this is the point where Dirk said the syntax was familiar: "uu: IT'S NOT THAT I DON'T MIND. IT'S THAT I FAIL SPECTACuLARLY TO GIVE A SHIT.
uu: THERE IS SuCH A BIG DIFFERENCE.
uu: AND THE FACT THAT I MIGHT NOT CLuE YOu INTO YOuR FATE ALL THE TIME.
uu: DuE TO MY AGGRAVATED APATHY OVER THE MATTER.
uu: IS AN IMMuTABLE FACT. I AM STATING FOR THE RECORD.
uu: IT DOES NOT MEAN THAT GIVING A SHIT IS WHAT IS TAKING PLACE HERE.
TT: I feel like you've said something like that before.
TT: Different statements, but in that exact syntax."
JESSICA
that's why i put signless in quotes too!
MORGAN
but how does this put UU and uu in the beta alternia?
JESSICA
hold up, i'll find "Mindfang" again
hold up!
MORGAN
... what
this still doesn't make sense to me
I know there was the sign of the signless, but just the fact that that exists lends more evidence to them being a part of the alpha alternia, not the beta
JESSICA
Necklace: /?s=6&p=006482
MORGAN
great
so... what exactly does this show?
we're gonna eat now, so please keep typing and I'll try and figure out what you're saying later
JESSICA
well, finally found UU's signless cufflink, and it's bright red
so you can now say "I told you so" so, whatever
so then, what? they're secret followers of The Signless? Hidden away from the rest of Alternia to forever live untouched?
^pretty much sarcasm right there
and if uu does in fact have bright red blood, what would that entail? that there was actually a troll lineage that was beget from his loins/incestual bucket material?
*begotten?
Also, reasons why UU and uu are definitely trolls:
1) UU's giant horns
2) The pallor of UU's skin (she is grey)
EMILY
i would just like to say that i would like to read all htat
but facebook is being an asshole
JESSICA
than wait until later
EMILY
oh...ok
JESSICA
3) The cuff of the signless
4) The language UU is reading
5) uu's elequently put statement about families "WE DON'T GOT SISTERS. IT'S NOT A THING"
Or, you know emily, you can go to the actual page with the messages, rather than reading it in the text box
that part is being an asshole lately
Woah! I suddenly have hunger, you would think I should have more than just a pudding cup and a bottle of snapple white tea
MORGAN
(Kalyn from this point) okay, lemme just clarify some points here. Morgan isnt denying they are trolls. That is an accepted fact because of those glaringly obvious reasons you provided for us. She's saying that it is more likely that UU and uu are a part of the ALPHA Alternia because that is the universe that gave the "Signless" his sign. He didn't have a sign before that. The fact that these trolls wear that sign points to them being followers. But at the same time, you did point out that the Beta Mindfang was wearing a signless necklace, so it's very likely that this sign was created in the Beta Alternia as well, not necessarily only in the Alpha universe.
But you know? I'm beginning to wonder if this uu isn't the signless himself. You said something about him having that bright red in his sign, yes? and his sign is U with a ~ crossing it out, which kind of seems like an anti sign thing, so he technically WOULD be Signless wouldn't he? I feel like this would put him in the Beta Alternia then. And his Sufferer counterpart in the Alpha universe was actually given a sign. The only question I guess is why other trolls are wearing this sign. Why would they be wearing it? Is it a sign of them following their leader? What would the significance of it be in their session?
EMILY
HMMMM
FINALLY read all that
shit
i need to work on that damn speech
MORGAN
also if I can clarify that "syntax" thing, Dirk definitely wasn't remarking on the punctuation. it was what uu was saying. different statements, same syntax. a character has definitely said that something is "an immutable fact I am stating for the record" etc etc. That and the "Bro. Roof. Now. Bring the _" was something Gamzee said before in his note to Karkat during hero mode. It was the repetition of phrasing patterns that Dirk was commenting on.
EMILY
mmm
m'yes
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MORGAN
btw, i think it's totes possible that uu is in fact the signless, cause Scratch I think it was said that the signless did start getting old memories back from the past universe
EMILY
yeah…
MORGAN
so yeah... and UU would be a totes new character, cause her blood is lime green and we haven't seen that before.
anyway, I'm done now. Getting off