Remember when we used to have long walls of text from one person because we would go off on a symbolism research tangent? Get ready for some nostalgia, people! :D
JESSICA
Super-Special-Awesome Homestuck update!
It's a flash, and there is sooooooo muuuuuch to talk about!
well, a decent amout to talk about
Sadly, I have to get ready for class (DAMNIT) So I'll be back in a few hours, but until then, sit tight guys! And by that I mean, if you are here between now and then, check it out and start talking... I guess
ok, bye!
KALYN
ok then I'll get started
KALYN
Um we just watched it. Jane failed to prototype the sprite, the tree didn't bear fruit, so I think that's the consequence of not prototyping, so she was unable to successfully enter the medium. It actually almost seems like she got stuck in some place in the void instead. The tree just disappeared.
Then it says years in the future and the landscape is changed, yet Dirk and Roxy and Jake are all suddenly existing in that changed landscape, so did they just jump forward in time? uhhh
Like there was light around them when that was happening, so it seems like they just transcended time there.
KALYN
Also, the landscape is changing and there's a chessboard thing and the Condesce's army is coming to get them and the world isn't destroyed by meteors for some reason. Although they still have SBURB and the medium and all that, I'm wondering if the final battleground for this showdown isn't actually Earth.
The main question is where Jane is and how she's going to escape her predicament.
KALYN
And also why we only saw one meteor (which might not have been a meteor since it could've been the Condesce) before she just disappeared somewhere (having failed to prototype and enter the medium by taking a bite out of an apple that the tree she grew didn't produce) and now we're suddenly years in the future without any time having even passed at all.
There are no meteors. So does that mean there was no reckoning? Or are they just not showing up yet?
There are many questions to be answered, so I look forward to future updates.
JESSICA
I think maybe a good thing to note is how much GCat has been messing with them. He did save Jane, but he unplugged Roxy's window so she was stuck in the void and had to go back to the lab. Then he sent Poppop out into space to keep him from being prototyped (which, if you think about it, makes sense. Jane wouldn't have his immense intelligence as a sprite). But why did he do these things?
JESSICA
I also was wondering if maybe LE promised the Condesce Earth as a new Alternia. It has the lusi, the trolls invaded instead of the planet being bombarded with meteors. Although, that is something else to note. It seems like everything just suddenly went way into the future, but there was definitely some Alternian-esque architecture.
JESSICA
Something to think about is the trolls that were flying towards at least Dirk and Roxy. I guess what my first impression was that they came at the same time as the Condesce (which, duh, makes sense), but that they all traveled into the future with Dirk, Roxy and Jake.
Which, doesn't really make sense now that I think about it, haha.
But could this be why UU can't see what happens to them? Did she say it was definitely after Roxy entered?
And did uu save Dirk's life by making him go to the roof? Since Dirk's apartment building was destroyed and all that was left was the roof. Wasn't that kinda like Dave's home in the medium?
But, yeah, with the sprite thing, it never had the chance to split into three parts. That means the towers wouldn't have been lit up or whatever.
Soooo...Is it safe to say that their session is "fucked up"? Lol
EMILY
yay!
but yeah
that was definitely an exciting update!
KALYN
main thing I'm confused by is your statement: "which, if you think about it, makes sense. Jane wouldn't have his immense intelligence as a sprite"
EMILY
maybe gcat knows a way to prototype himself as a sprite and didn't want poppop or whatever to be the sprite
JESSICA
let's see, that was referring to GCat sending Poppop into space. The initial prototyping just gives the "bad guys" powers, while the second prototype is the helper, and no emily, not at all what i was getting at i don't think
EMILY
oh…
JESSICA
lol
but does that make anymore sense?
(i hope so, because i gotta go cook dinner, i promised i would)
(so i'll be back in a while)
KALYN
yeah the statement still doesn't make sense to me. Namely, "Jane wouldn't have his immense intelligence as a sprite." why? she could talk to him as a sprite, therefore she would have this immense intelligence you say he has.
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EMILY
so...i tried to translate the message but i got ynam ton tub...
that makes no fucking sense
obviously
IT'S FUCKING BACKWARDS?
WHY THE FUCK WOULD THAT BE
IT'S SUPPOSED TO SAY BUT NOT MANY
THAT PISSES ME OFF!
KALYN
that's really confusing
EMILY
why it's backwards or what i'm saying
KALYN
why it's backwards
EMILY
yeah!
JESSICA
what are you talking about?
EMILY
homestuck
JESSICA
the words at the bottom?
EMILY
yea
JESSICA
ok
EMILY
yeah…
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JESSICA
Just drew a couple goofy sketches of Captain Plumbthroat. Might include one with squiddles, lol. I made him a lot like Eridan XD
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KALYN
Guys, is UU the same as Rose's character? Or does UU dress up as Rose's character? Or is Hussie just cosplaying as both UU and Rose's character? And why is Slick a cyborg?
JESSICA
hold up!
KALYN
Emily, how did you translate that "but not many" before? (It's like a continuation of that "years in the future" thing. "years in the future...but not many" shows up a lot.)
JESSICA
there is apparently a translator, i can't remember how i found it, but i did find it today, lol
KALYN
oh ok cool beans
JESSICA
and by "translator" i mean a guide, i guess?
anyway, that was silly, today's update
JESSICA
What are you going on about cosplaying? Hussie is dressed like UU (we get to see what her hair looks like)
Does Rose wear a similar outfit?
The headband is probably just there to hold the horns in place, since Hussie is, you know, human
Anyway, what all has happened to Slick to warrant him being a cyborg?
He had his little hate-fest with Snowman, but what happened after that? Did Snowman blow up? I don't remember... I'm going back, because that sounds oddly right...
I'm going to add this real quick, but that butler dude looks hilarious smiling like that. It wouldn't be the same without the mustache though, lol
KALYN
No Rose's character. In the books. the androgynous protagonist.
JESSICA
Wait, which books :?
KALYN
yeah, Snowman was killed, which exploded the universe or something like that. When you kill Sn0wman, you destroy the universe.
Rose's books. 'Cept it's Alpha universe, so it's probably not really her.
JESSICA
Ok, I see what you mean with the books.
Now, what I was asking is if /Snowman/ not just the universe, blew up.
KALYN
Go back to when you see her character (it's on Roxy's desktop background) and you'll see that it's the same. If there are also elements of UU's character there, could we say that they might be close to the same? Or that AH is double cosplaying?
JESSICA
Did I come across as confused Cuz I wasn't... unless you are expounding for future reference
KALYN
yes that
JESSICA
Ok
*whispers* did Sn0wman /explode/ or was it just the universe?
KALYN
dunno
Just the universe, rofl
JESSICA
ok, cuz i was wondering if you remembered so I didn't have to go through finding the instant where she blew up (I went too far back )
Although I was close to Jade and Karkat talking, and I realize I miss Karkat talking
JESSICA
Ok, something interesting I would just like to note here. When Jade and Karkat are talking to each other (this is shortly after the "make out with myself" debauchery) and karkat says something very similar to uu and Jade's reaction is similar to Dirks. "CG: OK WELL THE MOST IMMEDIATE POINT OF BUSINESS IS
CG: YOU SEE THAT GLOWING BLUE SCREEN BEHIND YOU?
GG: yes
CG: YOU NEED TO TURN THAT FUCKING PIECE OF SHIT OFF.
GG: ok, i can do that
GG: but why, what does it do?
GG: its been here my whole life and i could never figure it out
CG: I'M NOT GOING TO SAY MUCH ABOUT IT.
CG: BUT SUFFICE TO SAY THERE ARE JUST SOME THINGS YOU DON'T WANT TO SCREW WITH.
CG: THERE ARE OUTCOMES THAT ARE EVEN WORSE THAN THE COMPLETE ANNIHILATION OF EXISTENCE ITSELF
CG: FORCES MORE DAMAGING TO THE INTEGRITY OF REALITY THAN THOSE CAPABLE OF TURNING IMAGINATION INTO PURE VOID
CG: THEY ARE FORCES WHICH IF HANDLED RECKLESSLY WILL NULLIFY THE BASIC ABILITY OF INTELLIGENT BEINGS IN ALL REAL AND HYPOTHETICAL PLANES OF EXISTENCE TO GIVE A SHIT."
JESSICA
It's not the same, but it's very similar uu and the bad juju
God, I love Karkat
Just another note, we were talking about how when Jade was propelling the ship through the void, jade said they were going at the speed of light
I think it was Kalyn who mentioned that the speed of light had been broken in the scientific world.
KALYN
yes
I said that because Jade said they could only go that fast
JESSICA
Well, Hussie knew that they could go faster, because Doc Scratch says this: "She was forced to continue the journey home on auxiliary power. Her ship now travels near the speed of light, a pale shadow of its former velocity."
That's the Condesce's ship
KALYN
what month was that though? Because it was September or October of last year when that discovery was made.
I feel like that can be chalked up to Science Fiction.
JESSICA
They believed it was possible a while ago, if I remember correctly, they just doubly proved it last fall
and that was during Doc Scratch's stuff, so it was probably last fall, lol
this should be the page, if not around the right page..?s=6&p=005968
Well ok, I have found no reason why Slick would be a cyborg, so we shall find out later.
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JESSICA
"It was one of his more tentative stabbings though... I think he meant it as a sort of thank you?"
KALYN
I love that, rofl. Ms Paint is so cute!
EMILY
I AM IN THE MAGICAL TIME OF NOW
GOD DAMN IT AND YOU'RE GONE NOW
KALYN
lost connection for a bit
EMILY
oh
KALYN
didn't realize it
sorry
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EMILY
more homestuck
isn't the hulk mr white text?
KALYN
the hulk? lol it just updated a few minutes ago didn't it? I checked it maybe an hour ago
EMILY
hahahaha
KALYN
and a half
EMILY
just look
just look
KALYN
oh man Hussie bot was killed by Lord English! D:
(it's Lord English, born from Doc Scratch's corpse...or something like that.)
I don't understand why he has one gold tooth, but whatever. Pimps be pimpin.
EMILY
hahaha
KALYN
Also I'm positive that Dave is going to be the one to eventually kill Lord English, because his next God Tier is called Pimpslayer.
EMILY
oh?
KALYN
I mean, maybe they all loosen him up a bit, but I think Dave will deal the fatal blow.
EMILY
i like that
i like it like that
do you like it like that
YYYYYEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH
KALYN
lawl did my internet just come back again? haha
EMILY
nah
i just sent that
JESSICA
yay! I know don't have to go back to earlier arcs to get some Karkat time
Not much new in this update, just Karkat or whatever
( )
why? why do you insist on doing that one correctly? (:D) does that work?
no! no it doesn't, so why the stupid heart?
whatever, Karkat kismesis with himself... nothing they say is too important
o8 ==club?
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JESSICA
HOMESTUCK UPDATE HERP DERP DERP
JESSICA
Ok, part of Karkat's conversation with himself: "FCG: YOU WANT HER IN EVERY QUADRANT LIKE A DESPERATE FOOL.
FCG: DO YOU REALIZE WHAT YOU'VE BECOME? YOU ARE THE SAD JOKE CHARACTER IN THE ROMCOM, YOU KNOW THE GUY I'M TALKING ABOUT.
FCG: WHO'S GREEDY AND INDISCRIMINATE ABOUT FILLING EVERY QUADRANT, TOTALLY OBLIVIOUS TO IT, AND IN THE END HAS FUCKALL TO SHOW FOR IT."
Sound familiar?
JESSICA
Also, I do not like what this does for my "shipping wall" D:
EMILY
I READ IT
what's your shipping?
KALYN
before I read that: I love how they can enlist the help of dead God Tier friends. Pretty bitchin.
Why does it sound familiar?
Please tell me.
Also, I'm cool with this now. Now that it's been canonically admitted, I'm fine with it. I mean I'm not so sure Karkat's gonna get the girl in the end anyway, but yeah I'm fine now with Terezi getting in on Karkat and/or Dave. Cool with it.
I think the fact that I wrote her with Jonghyun, my favorite SHINee member, and had a fun time with it helped, and also that she's bonding with Dave in much the same way.
Hey, where did they get all the fancy furniture?
EMILY
I don't like terezi/Dave
JESSICA
I don't mind Terezi/Dave
Also, the quote reminded me of Eridan
Apparently they needed to fill the void, lol
I also think it's really cute that WV is hanging out with Dave and Terezi
Before I forget, we now know why there was a dead god tier Karkat in Roxy's dream. She was traveling through the bubbles (did we cover that before? I suppose it would have been obvious given the fact that there were dead trolls everywhere)
JESSICA
More update too, i don't know if you guys have seen it yet
Apparently when they communicate via diaglog, they have to dance XD
MORGAN
wait, lawl, what?
JESSICA
Have you checked the homestuck update?
MORGAN
nah man, they're just walking in place
JESSICA
it was a joke
MORGAN
anyway, i gotta go
JESSICA
so you just stop by to poke holes in my ego? well, bye! have fun
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KALYN
so just randomly going through all the old sound updates in homestuck for kicks, I found out that Bro was in fact the original character to say "Bro. Roof. Now. Bring _" which is precisely why Dirk thought it was such a familiar phrase. He was the one who said it first.
anyone else struck by the thought that early on, when we see Dave outside on the roof (pretty much from his established association with fire when he marvels at the weather until he enters the medium), the whole fiery sky looks like a freaking eye?
KALYN
You know...it seems there's a lot of interconnection between the alpha and beta verses. Jade's pumpkins were being stolen by Jake; Jaspers went from Rose to Roxy and back again; John's book, which Nannasprite wrote in, somehow ended up in the alpha verse with Jane's handwriting and everything...only thing I can't think of is something that went between Dave and Bro. Can you think of anything of Dave's that might have disappeared or something? Hell, was Dave's copies of SBURB ever recovered? Wait, did those go to Jade in the end? I think that's what might have happened.
ok yeah Jade got those
from the timer flower thing
that fiery eye image was reused in "make her pay" with the Alternian sun.
Feferi's seahorses are a lot like Maplehoof.
JESSICA
Yup
Yup to all of that, lol
I noticed most of that before. Especially the interconnectedness
Hussie also uses that "sun" image for Dave's eye and an altered version for Dirk's eye
KALYN
IDK why I was so amazed before that Sn0wman had blue blood. She's royalty. =_=
JESSICA
But she's the only one /with/ blue blood
Do WQ and the white king have blue blood?
But I also said something to that effect before, lol
KALYN
Hm, I guess yeah...
JESSICA
And I mentioned it because "blue blood" /is/ a term used with (at least) English royalty. Don't know if that was why you thought you shouldn't have been amazed
KALYN
yeah it pretty much was. hey, where did you find that translator for troll language?
JESSICA
googled it
it's actually really simple
i saved it, so i'll send it here
KALYN
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JESSICA
(the key is finding it...)
KALYN
Uh
JESSICA
what?
did you google it? did you find it?
KALYN
no, keep looking
I could though if it's faster
JESSICA
lol, let's race!
found it x.x and of course it was just sitting there unattended (not in a folder .)
JESSICA
Here
JESSICA
well... ok, maybe not incredibly simple, but translating is fairly simple
sine it's just english backwards
*since
KALYN
ok
ha that kind of became pointless
oh well
JESSICA
why?
KALYN
it was just "click == to continue"
so I like how the only two updates beginning with [s?] involve strife with a crabdad.
One is Karkat, the other is Jake
JESSICA
Oh, haha
and what was kind pointless? "click == to continue" how does that apply?
KALYN
that was the translatio
n
JESSICA
oh, ok
I'm sure it's all pretty inoccuous (or however you spell that...)
(innocuous)
KALYN
I'm beginning to recognize the letters without having to use the reference. Granted, "This is stupid" was a pretty easy one to figure out.
JESSICA
Like I said, it's pretty simple to translate. I translated "Battleship Condescension" only having to look up three letters
Context and a handy dandy reference when needed
KALYN
ok so I've rewatched all the flashes
you'd be fucking surprised (ok probably not really) how much is reused for different characters.
ah repetition
K I'm gonna finish my fucking homework now
JESSICA
have fun!
and it's no so much surprising that he reuses stuff, it's just surprising when you run across it in unexpected places
and all the little hints he's dropped throughout
EMILY
READ ALL THAT
don't forget the one time it was backwards
JESSICA
Have another cookie
EMILY
yay!
JESSICA
I'm pretty sure I mentioned it was backwards, didn't i?
EMILY
noep
EMILY
HOLY FUCKING HOMESTUCK UPDATE SHIT!
never mind
my computer decided to be an asshole
and say that i hadn't looked at those pages yet
but there is an update
MORGAN
hahaha lawl i love seeing them interact without the pretense of technology! Dave is familiarizing himself with trollian romance. and can town is basically the most amazing thing ever. the end.
yeah, this mode of communication is quite refreshing.
it pleases me ._.
EMILY
i like seeing them again
i like the trolls
JESSICA
Did I ever mention that I think Fef's and Eridan's wings are pretty damn awesome?
Guess that what happens when you are royalty
MORGAN
oh i hadn't even noticed them before, but yeah those are pretty damn cool
also, i'm really bad at paying attention to pictures, but Fef is bringing WV back to life isn't she...
JESSICA
Yup, that's why he was messing around with Terezi and Dave
Have you seen today's update? After they start dancing? I didn't read what you said before, just in case there were spoilers
MORGAN
yeah, and i have some mini spoilers. nothing huge
just tidbits of conversation
JESSICA
Ok
Well, I just wanted to say, that I really love Kanaya's reaction, when she's all miffed
Rose's reaction to that is pretty funny too, lol
MORGAN
yeah. i thought it was funny that rose was all "she does NOT want a kismesis!"
JESSICA
No, no, Kismet fish!
MORGAN
i think they're getting the hang of troll romances
JESSICA
So, I really hope that everyone reunites on April 1st
MORGAN
lawl except for the terms... *dave cough*
JESSICA
I hope they have! It's been a year!
MORGAN
omigosh woah
what about april 13
when it all started?
JESSICA
I think April fools would be better
then he can pull a prank, lol
MORGAN
why
JESSICA
Well, maybe the actual thing be April 13
MORGAN
uh.. confused?
JESSICA
it's not really important
April 1st=April Fool's Day, he could play a prank or something
but has he before? Now that i think about it, I don't remember anything like that...
Like I said, not really important
MORGAN
i mean i got that connection i guess, but im not sure... how that would go down?
i guess?
JESSICA
Yeah, see, I get excited and I don't think things through, and then people ask me to explain and I'm like "Wow, that /is/ really stupid. Never mind!"
I'm gonna see if I can steal the XBox and play some video games later!
MORGAN
aight you do that
KALYN
Lots of awesome universe information. Now we know why Jane didn't prototype. Void session. There's a lot about void in this session.
Dante Basco said he'd do voice acting for a HS character. Just cuz. I think he'd be perfect for Tavros, because of the Rufio connection and also because his voice is a bit high. Be great!
EMILY
ya'll look at this yet?
Homestuck - Television Tropes & Idioms
KALYN
ooh! on the characters page of alpha trolls, the uu trolls are in an Unknown Universe!
Here's something interesting: "UU is a lighter version of Karkat, uu is a darker version, literally even! Their chat colors are are lighter and darker than Karkat's respectively."
and this is exactly what I said: "uranianUmbra is basically a reference to MSPA's fandom, while undyingUmbrage is basically a reference to its anti-fandom. They lampshade a lot of things, including UU's own exposition and the colors of the pesterlogs."
KALYN
"There are two UUs, or two double u's, ie, WW.
UU is the fandom avatar, uu is the anti-fandom avatar. In other words, they're u!
The folder name for this section also applies as it's just UU."
KALYN
I love how they're pretty much Karkat: " In universe, they're heavily associated with the symbols associated with Karkat, as well showcasing exaggerated aspects his personality.
Together, UU and uu's text colors (#929292 and #323232) average together to be Karkat's (#626262). Their symbols contain candy red for uu and lime green for UU, which are Karkat's blood color and where his blood color would be in the order the trolls are listed in, if he had a normal blood color (ie, between Sollux's mustard and Nepeta's forest green), in addition to lighter and darker shades of grey. These colors seem to be their blood colors as well."
KALYN
I think both of these trolls are Karkat's counterpart.
He has two for some reason. Because he's a mutant or something.
IDK he was somehow split I guess. 'Cept they're trying to have their own session possibly in a separate universe, so probably not quite like this. But still, I like the Karkat thing.
OH before I forget! So the Alpha session is a void session? Well Roxy blacked out the whole thing (with the help of GCAT's sabotage against prototyping) and that's exactly why UU can't see their session once Jane enters.
KALYN
This seems really interesting because of the symbolism, but I'm not so sure about the theory: "The possible snake foreshadowing, and the clear withholding of truth makes it kind of hard to trust her. On the other hand, her stated reasons are benign, and she promises it all will end well.
Calmasis, a character considered by most to be a Shout Out to the fan speculation about UU, is associated with snakes and is an antagonist. UU is eventually revealed to be wearing a jacket with the same colors as Calmasis.
Not to mention the Caduceus is associated with deceit and lies amongst other things."
KALYN
btw, Calmasis is Rose's androgynous character.
I think...
is that right?
ooh more speculation about UU's influence on the Alpha session: "Snakes. Considering the heavy influence The Bible has on the mythology of the Alpha Session, this may prove to not be a good thing."
That's really foreboding.
Why didn't I consider that before? WTF?
What if UU is like a deceitful fucking asshole evil troll fangirl, and uu turns out to be an okay guy, if a bit brash and hard headed?
"At one point Jade tells Karkat that if he was nicer to her she would have believed what he was saying. Jane specifically says that UU's niceness is what makes her somewhat more believable." Which is exactly why she could be quite deceitful.
Karkat was nothing if not completely honest.
uu's pretty honest too. Why would you lie about hating someone if you liked them? If he says he hates you, you don't have to worry about him, because if he is lying then it means he likes you and has no reason to harm you. If not, well you already know he hates you.
But someone who says they're a huge fan of yours is someone you should watch out for, because their betrayal will cut deeper.
"Fanart commonly depicts UU as looking like Calmasis with troll horns. Hussie acknowledged this through cosplay" ok yeah that is Rose's character.
Which means that Hussie wasn't necessarily double-cosplaying, but he wasn't confirming UU's appearance as the same as Calmasis either.
It was just an acknowledgement of fan theory.
KALYN
I like this: " The "uranian" may refer to Uranian astrology. It has a number of other possible definitions as well. Umbra usually refers to the deepest part of a shadow cast by a celestial body; taken literally her name means "The shadow cast by Uranus"
The hex code for her chat color is #929292. 92 is the atomic number of Uranium.
When matched with Karkat's #626262, there's a reference to the Sufferer's sym69l. It's eventually revealed she has half of the Sufferer's sym69l as a cufflink on her left sleeve." Wait, she only had half the symbol? Was it just the 9? Does uu have the 6 then?
KALYN
"GT: When do i get to learn your name by the way?
UU: hm trUthfUlly?
UU: it may be for the best that yoU never know it.
UU: it coUld stir Up some things best left in their present eqUilibriUm."
Yeah, hey, that is pretty shifty!
KALYN
" The lime portion of her symbol matches the color used for First Guardian powers..." Another reason she can't be trusted! Becquerel was the only good thing that was bestowed with the powers of the Green Sun.
alright, so I don't really think uu is an "okay guy" because he's full of bloodlust like no other. Moreso than Vriska, who really just wanted all the luck and treasure.
Ahh repetition: "Later on he calls back a line from Karkat and a letter from Bro, both of which were previously called back by other characters. The strangest thing is that Dirk finds them both familiar."
Although, wait, fuck, he knew Cal was a bad omen and tried to get Dirk to destroy it.
So maybe that does mean that he's at least on the right side of the line between everyone and Lord English.
"He's completely correct about Lil' Cal being a bad omen. On the other hand, even if Bro took his advice and destroyed Cal it's unlikely that it would actually prevent anything."
Really, he's more of a free agent or a wild card. He's against everyone, but he might have to team up to take out Lord English so he can continue living in order to kill everyone else.
Then maybe he'll learn the human emotion called friendship or something.
KALYN
"undyingUmbrage. Umbrage also means annoyance, or offense. Taken literally, his name could be interpreted as "Eternally annoyed" which describes him pretty well. Umbrage also has an archiac meaning of "shadow", connecting him to uranianUmbra." (which is because Umbra is the shadow cast by a celestial body, so her name literally means "the shadow cast by Uranus.")
KALYN
and this shit: "undyingUmbrage's is a red tilde overlaying a capital U, which is a somewhat obscure symbol for Ophiuchus. U is used in ~ATH code as shorthand for Universe, and the shade of red matches Karkat's blood and the color used for the kids' universe. Taken together, the red tilde over a U can be said to resemble resemble a universe bathed in blood, which reflects his Blood Knight attitude." I mean, it could totally be the Alpha Universe, since their session is already totally bloody, and I don't expect it to get any less so.
Wait, fuck, how did I not realize this before. Roxy and Jake had encounters not only with a couple of Beta trolls, but with a couple of DEAD Beta trolls. Their eyes were white, they had no pupils. Why am I so dumb.
That's why they were both in the void, and why Roxy was able to encounter one in the void and Jake in a dream.
JESSICA
Hopy shit
I think I died a little inside
I don't even know where to begin
Ummm, good job?
Oh yeah! I looked something up about the cadeuces at one point
And what I found didn't really connect with what was said up there, I need to find it again...
Wait, does her symbol have one or two snakes?
KALYN
ahh, don't you miss these one-person walls of text?
I forget, but my guess would be two, because of the medical thing. I would look it up though
JESSICA
There is a difference, actually, according to wiki, the caduceus and the Asclepius (one snake) get mixed up
i'm looking now
KALYN
oh ok
well I'm headed to bed because I'm shooting tomorrow, so I'll let you sort all this out
JESSICA
Weird! She has a caduceus, but with no wings
the Asclepius has no wings, but one snake
and the Caduceus has two snakes and wings!
KALYN
She's a hybrid!
Oh, and I like the idea of uu being the "sufferer" because he's sooooooooo fucking angry and the Sufferer was pretty much just that.
JESSICA
Also, just remembered, you're thing where UU only had one half of the 69, I know I mentioned that at one point
It's bright red too
KALYN
anyway, bed time. I read the whole page on the newer trolls. (orly?) I'm tired. Continue responding! (Especially about certain theories about UU)
That's what I really want to discuss
JESSICA
Yeah, I'll look up more info on both the caduceus and the asclepius, see if it has anything to do with deception
Along with other stuff, lol
but i'm pretty tired, might run out of steam
now to stop complaining and get to work!
KALYN
Just came back on to say HOLY CRAP I HAVE 69 FOLLOWERS! :DDDDD
Carry on.
JESSICA
Ok, so, the caduceus was given to Hermes as a sign of friendship (from Apollo after Hermes stole his sheeps)
ahahaha
Asclepius is actually the name of Apollo's kid (I'll touch more on him later)
The caduceus is all about diplomacy, truce, friendship, etc. nothing to do with deception
And the Rod of Asclepius is connected to healing and medicine
But like I said before, UU's symbol lacks a pair of wings. Maybe the reason why it has to do with deception is because of that? It's not /quite/ the caduceus, but masquerading as it instead
I don't think Hussie would miss something like that (or he could have, he's only human)
More healing for the rod and serpent, and this is from the Bible: "Then the LORD sent fiery serpents among the people, and they bit the people, so that many people of Israel died. And the people came to Moses and said, "We have sinned, for we have spoken against the LORD and against you. Pray to the LORD, that he take away the serpents from us." So Moses prayed for the people. And the LORD said to Moses, "Make a fiery serpent and set it on a pole, and everyone who is bitten, when he sees it, shall live." Moses made a bronze serpent and set it on a pole. And if a serpent bit anyone, he would look at the bronze serpent and live."
JESSICA
(That is called the "Nesushtan" just in case you were wondering...which I doubt you were .)
EMILY
jegus guys!
JESSICA
You really have no idea how nastalgic this is
EMILY
oh?
JESSICA
(I'm going to continue with my tangent, so hold up)
So, there were some snake related cults during the bronze age, and something I find interesting is the fact that they found two at Megiddo (connected to Aradia). Also, interestingly, "Armageddon" is "Har megiddo" meaning "Mount of Megiddo" in Hebrew, just throwing that one out there
JESSICA
Again, there is a lot of Biblical symbolism pointing to serpents being healing
Other than, of course, the serpent in the Garden of Eden...I'll look that up next... if there is anything where the serpent is the bad guy
Interesting (not Biblical): "snake was often considered one of the wisest animals, being (close to the) divine"
I guess the only thing I can think of is UU and uu's nigh omniscience
So, UU is /almost/ like god. Karkat, however, said to John one time that the 12 trolls were their gods
Which is basically true since they created them
The problem with taking a Biblical stance on the snake doohickey, is the fact that the serpent is bipolar, so to speak: "The serpent was a symbol of evil power and chaos from the underworld as well as a symbol of fertility, life, and healing"
"The Serpent has the ability to speak and to reason, and is identified with the wisdom of this world" this is something else that can be tied to UU
JESSICA
lol, mostly the "wisdom of this world"
That quote goes on: "made" (Genesis 3:1). There is no indication in the Book of Genesis that the Serpent was a deity in its own right, although it is one of only two cases of animals that talk in the Pentateuch"
so, again with the god/deity thing, UU is not quite a god, but she certainly knows a whole hell of a lot
lol
JESSICA
Karkat=God
UU=Serpent/tempter/Satan/etc.
uu=Angry Jesus =personally like this parallel the best XD
EMILY
(night)
JESSICA
Although, the Sufferer was, for all intents and purposes, Jesus, but he was also angry, so there you go! If we assume that uu was the Sufferer or his counterpart or something, then we can also assume that.
(good night)
This is also interesting if we are looking at UU being connected to an evil portrayal of the snake: "In the oldest story ever written, the Epic of Gilgamesh, Gilgamesh loses the power of immortality, stolen by a snake"
This seems foreboding enough to be noteworthy
Keep having half-formed thoughts on this one, but, hey, it's 1:25 right now, can I be forgiven for that? Yes? No? Ok
Ok, so despite my previous statement of the serpent being sort of a dual force, the majority of its appearances in the Bible are not good ones
Ok, I think, after The Blade Itself, and then Hunger Games, I think my next read is going to have to be a thorough analysis of the Bible
What's really cool, from an evolutionary standpoint, is that the serpent is depicted with legs until God metaphorically chops them off
Evolution! In one fell swoop! Actually, that's more like Lamarck's theory of acquired traits being passed down...but this is God we're talking about here, he can just say "Screw the rules, I have mon-ultimate power!"
Bwaaaah, tired x.x
this is way too much thinking for this time of night D: And there was totally some poor defenseless animal that was killed outside a little over half an hour ago, but it's final squeals still haunt me