Chapter 91: Here at the End
Recommended music for Goku's fight with Kid Buu here is "The meaning of truth", from the Captain Falcon anime (which I haven't even seen…but I just love the song).
Once again I have no idea on whether or not the science in this chapter is even remotely possible. Once again, this is the series where Goku used his magic stick to climb to the moon and deposit an anthropomorphic rabbit gangster and his henchmen there so that they could make toys for children. Hence, Break Through the Limit science runs on the Rule of Cool.
EDIT: Removed android 17's mention. He's dead. Sorry.
"Hello? You guys there?" King Kai's voice chimed in mentally. "Hey, just thought I'd let you know that the Namekians have made the wishes—Earth and its people are back."
"Huh?" Goten glanced around. "But the Lookout's still all broken…"
"Yeah, about that. I made a little change to your wish—not to restore the Time Chamber, or even the Lookout, since that'd move the Chamber."
"What's wrong with it?" Gohan asked.
"Well, you did kind of mess with it when you improvised a fix for the door. Repairing it 'as it was' could give you less time to form that Spirit Bomb you're planning, and I don't even want to move it at this point—who knows how unstable it could be!"
"Good point. And Tien, speaking of…"
"I hear you." Tien closed his eyes, letting the familiar sensation of a gathering Spirit Bomb flow through his body, drawing energy from the people and animals of the Earth, from the grass, the trees, the rocks, the air and the oceans, then extending his reach as he'd done once before and pulling on the energy of the other planets in the solar system, and finally from the Sun—a huge energy source, as always.
He smiled at the speed with which he'd gathered all this energy, a large shimmering energy sphere already hanging over his head, glowing a faint blue. All right…looks like my meditation's paid off. I was worried that not being able to regularly practice it would be a problem, but I guess the little experience I've had using it in battle is enough.
"Still…" he said, as the others observed the Spirit Bomb grow steadily larger with a kind of awe, "…Goku better have done something to weaken Buu if it gets out here, or this isn't going to be enough to kill it."
"True," Raditz agreed. "This kind of power wouldn't really suffice to finish Buu on its own. But it's your best shot…maybe if we all shot Buu at once, and then you hit it with that thing…"
"Maybe." Tien fell silent for a second, then decided something. "Hey…guys, can you all try and put as much energy as you can into this? Keep enough for a shot at Buu if it comes to it, I guess, but it'll be much more effective if we can all combine our powers."
"Right." Launch was the first to raise a hand towards the thing, and let a stream of energy pass into it—far more than the tiny amount the Spirit Bomb normally took from every unwitting living creature. The others, reaching a quick assent, followed suit, and Tien felt rather than saw the sphere grow suddenly, now lighting up the whole valley with its glare.
"Excellent!" he enthused. "But, still…I have to wonder if it'll stop Buu…he's more powerful than any of us here."
"But surely all our powers added together are greater than his," Gohan argued.
"It isn't quite that simple," Tien informed him. "Of your total power, only about a third of it is 'Genki'—life force. That's what you give to the Spirit Bomb. And you can't even give all of it, or close to, or you'd die. So we'd need a lot more people to voluntarily…" he trailed off, eyes slowly widening. Well…why not?
"Er…King Kai…"
"Are you thinking what I think you're thinking?" the northern Kai asked smugly.
"Uh…I give up." Tien didn't quite understand, and knew of the demigod's tendency to tell bad jokes no matter the situation. "What's the punchline?"
"I…what?…you…no…how did you even…" King Kai stumbled, flustered, over his words. "I wasn't joking, I…you know what, never mind. What were you going to say?"
"Uh…right." Tien recovered from his confusion shortly. "I've got a plan."
People of Earth!
Said people of Earth took a collective pause as a voice spoke in their minds, all over the world at once.
I'm sure you remember being killed earlier today, and then mysteriously reappearing, unharmed. I assure you, it was not a dream, or an illusion. Ask your neighbour—it happened to everyone. King Kai was broadcasting Tien's speech to the entire population.
You were killed by a monster named Majin Buu. We—the group who fought Cell, among other threats—have managed to undo the damage it's caused, but we're still fighting it.
I'm a friend of Son Goku and Son Gohan, Tien told them, opting to leave his own name out in case anyone still associated it with his vicious past under the Crane Hermit's teachings. I'm gathering an attack that may destroy Majin Buu for good, but I need your help—all of you. You can give energy to this Spirit Bomb simply by raising your arms to the sky—please, help us stop everyone from being killed for good this time!
Some people responded quickly, of course. Their entire circle of friends and family. Some older friends and acquaintances, too—almost-forgotten faces the world over.
Android 8, Suno. Upa, Bora. Baba and her fighters. Nam. Giran. The tiny bursts of energy, combining to a larger whole, trickled in from all around the globe.
"It's not enough…!" Tien said grimly. "Only a few people are helping…"
"Hey, if a voice in my head started asking me for stuff, I'd be a little hesitant," Launch pointed out.
"Aaagh…what do I say? How can I make them trust me?" He groaned. Everyone…you have to help us! This is your own lives we're talking about! Please…! The speech King Kai relayed back to him was not promising.
"Who is this guy?"
"Don't listen, it's a trick!"
"Should we do it…?"
"How do we know he isn't lying, huh?"
Tien ground his teeth together. "What's it take, huh? Is it a little much to ask you people to give something back for once?" He glanced around at the nervous group around him. "Anybody got any ideas, go ahead and talk to 'em."
And they tried. The small band tried everything they could to convince the people of the world to share their energy. They pleaded, encouraged, shouted, begged, negotiated for minute after agonising minute. Some people were convinced—another trickle of energy had slowly accumulated over time as quite a substantial amount of people gave their energy to the Spirit Bomb, and it swelled in size again. But it was still less than a tenth of the Earth's population, and even when the Namekians telepathically chimed in to lend their own energy, only about a hundred of that race were even still living, and they could only do so much.
Finally, they were out of ideas, mentally exhausted. Everyone ambled around in a sort of daze, knowing it wasn't enough. Tien kept the attack going, but the futility of the venture, and his own failure, was gnawing at him. What now? How am I supposed to stop Buu with this? How—
Please. A child's voice, slightly quavering, almost breaking. My dad's fighting that thing. A repressed sob, hastily turned into a sniff. Tien turned—"Goten…"
He's all alone with Buu…Goten continued. No-one could have faked the sincerity, the desperation, in his words. Please don't let my daddy die!
There was a long, dreadful silence.
And then.
And then.
Tien's eyes (all three) snapped open wide. What's this…power?! So much energy… flooding into the Spirit Bomb! The energy sphere grew massively in size, obscuring the sun with its own glow. This is the entire Earth combined with one will… Seven billion people, none of them perfect, but all in that one glorious instant united in the determination not to let that one child cry. I…can't believe it! I've never felt so much power in my life! Not even from Buu!
"Thank you!" He called out loud. "Thank you, everyone!" Now…if the worst should happen and Buu gets out, I can nail him with this and finish it—
A thunderclap, the toll of a bell, the crash of metal on metal, to them the most dreadful sound in the world because of what it heralded.
The Time Chamber door had been destroyed.
Goku lowered his hand, smoke rising from the burning remnants of the main building—gone, and with it the entrance.
"It's time to face facts. I can't beat you, Buu…you're too much for me." Slowly, he raised his fists. "So now we're both trapped in here, forever—at least in your case. I don't think I'll be living that long. But…I just can't bear to stand around and let you kill me. Even if it's impossible, something in me just won't let me die without at least trying to win!" A mad grin stole its way onto his face. "So, c'mon! Do your worst."
"Gyyyrrrr…rrrrgghhhkkk…" Buu gnashed its teeth, trembling from head to toe. It wasn't completely stupid, and it knew what Goku had done, and the implications. Its playground, the universe, robbed from it, and replaced with this boring emptiness, with nothing to do but exact revenge on the man who'd trapped it there. "GYAAAAAAHHH!"
"Yeah, I bet I'm not your favourite person right now. Well, I'm right here! Come on already!"
And Buu did. It stretched out an arm, the limb snaking out at frightening speed and clamping around Goku's neck. He choked as Buu reeled him in, managing to swing a leg up, fortify it with ki, and slice right through Buu's elbow with a kick, freeing himself. However, he'd barely pried the disembodied hand off him when Buu's other arm swung around, utilising its body-manipulation powers to grow the wrist and hand to massive size, the gigantic fist smashing Goku to the ground. Goku rolled away, standing unsteadily as Buu regenerated and returned to normal size. "Keh!" it spat, advancing again. "Grrrrhhh…" It punched again, but Goku caught it before it could grow its fist.
"That won't work twice!" he shouted, throwing a punch of his own at Buu's head. Buu's mouth snapped open, and it belched out a large pink energy wave. Goku had to act fast, or the energy of it could take his head off—his fist, however, was still positioned in the path of the blast. "RYU-KEN!" Pulling on ever-deeper reserves, he sent Buu flying away with the summoned golden dragon, the resulting explosion taking even Buu a couple of seconds to recover from. Alas, it still hadn't lost any energy. "Damn it!" Goku brought his hands down and to the side. "No time to waste…gotta keep up the offensive. KAME…"
Buu was having none of it. It rolled up its body into a ball, hovering in mid-air. The comical sight quickly became apparent for what it was when it shot straight at Goku: A deadly high-speed projectile. "HAMEeeeaaagh!" Goku yelped as the Buu-ball hit him in the face, hurling him into the air. Half a second into his flight, now horizontal in mid-air, his brain was still whirring. Blood poured from somewhere on his face. One of his eyes didn't seem to be working; he could see nothing on the far left, and his depth perception was messed up. I've still got all this energy built up…can't let it go to waste! He forced it down his body, from his hands to his feet. You might have learned the Kamehameha, Buu, but I bet you don't know this one… "—HAAA!"
The Kamehameha wave, launched from his feet, took Buu by surprise, knocked Buu out of the air, a startled frown on its face. Goku and Buu hit the ground at the same time, and shortly stood facing each other again. Then, Buu vanished. Instant Movement again! Goku decided. "I told you…" he said in a low voice, then spun and punched behind him, catching the materialising Buu in the stomach. "The same tactic won't work twice against me!" Buu howled and almost lost its footing, but then its hand shot out and grabbed Goku's forearm. He tugged, but couldn't break away—then a wave of some kind of electricity ran out from Buu's body, through its grip on his arm and into Goku. "Aaaaagh!" Get away! Goku jumped, planting both feet on Buu's face before it could send another electric shock and twisted out of its grip, somersaulting away.
Unfortunately, he landed with his back to it, and a crackle of energy signalled that Buu was preparing its next attack. It surrounded its body with energy and flew at him, again using its own body as a projectile. Coming in too fast…only option is—! "Damn it! KAIOKEN!" Equal parts energy and pain flooded his body, and he turned in time to intercept Buu, leading with his fist and hitting Buu head-on. Flattened by the impact, Buu abruptly exploded into rubbery pink chunks.
Each piece, though, animated by Buu's malevolent will, formed itself into a complete miniature Buu, and then each one launched a pulsing energy blast. Goku was still trying to recover from over-exerting himself, and was hit by the barrage.
The world blurred and faded, black creeping into the edges of his vision. Sound was fuzzy, and his overburdened nervous system was trying to communicate pain in a lot of different places. Something was falling slowly through the air in front of him, twisting and splashing in strange patterns.
Is that…my blood? There's…so much of it…
Buu's head-tentacle shot out, elongating and wrapping around Goku's ankle. Buu swung its head around, whirling its barely-resisting enemy through the hot, stifling air.
Goku was prepared for death, at this point. He knew it wouldn't be long now. I've got…nothing left. At least…everyone's safe while he's stuck in here…
But one thought, rising from the back of his mind, wouldn't leave him alone. One persistent, nagging thought.
What were you thinking about, Gohan? You were on the verge of something…
Something…some… His head spun. …defeat…Buu…how…
An agonising impact as Buu released him, his head smacking painfully into the ground.
"…thanks." Buu paused. That had been meant as the killing blow—to crack Goku's skull. But the strange man was standing up, a river of blood pouring down his face—and laughing. "Heh heh…thanks, Buu. I wasn't thinking too clearly…you just knocked my thoughts into place." He flung his arms out, powering up as best as he could. "Are you ready, Buu?"
Buu had to pause—curiosity made it hold off on killing him now. What could he possibly do? It had to know.
Right, Gohan. Different form of energy…a higher form of energy. It'd stop him regenerating, right? Like the Spirit Bomb—but I can't do that—or…or like…
The Solar Flare? Wait…solar…sun. Sun. Star. We have easily enough power to destroy one—we can generate more energy than a supernova.
So…making one should be possible, right? 'Higher form of energy'?
He brought his hands together in front of his chest. C'mon, Goku, I know you don't pay attention to Gohan's science homework, but you must've overheard something. You're not dumb; you're uneducated. But this is energy—this is fighting. You can figure this out.
Stars. Made of…of…gas…hot gas? Something else…pressure! Right. Gas is all 'round me. Heat, pressure…I c'n do those.
He began by forming a huge spherical shell of ki over his head, trapping the air inside, and then contracting it. As it shrunk, the gas inside was compressed to ever-smaller areas, pressure building up to the level where, in his weakened state, he had to struggle to keep the barrier strong enough to contain the compressed air, now bursting to get out. Then, he began to pump heat into it, summoning up the last depths of his energy reserves to heat up the space inside the sphere.
With one final burst of energy, he poured in a stream of fiery ki from his hands, and there—there!—the creation, the miniature sun, sprung to life in front of him. The warm glow momentarily mesmerised him. Of course, a 'sun' of this small size would not be stable, especially given that with the addition of his ki, it had at least as much energy as a full-sized one. As soon as he dropped the shield, it'd explode—which was the plan, of course.
"Okay, Buu…thanks for waiting."
"Heeehhh…" Buu yawned, blinking blearily at him. Goku was stunned. He was asleep?! …don't worry about it. If this doesn't kill him, I really am done. Thanks, Gohan…
"Okay…here goes." He kicked off, leaping at Buu, right arm held back with the artificial star held between his fingers, ready to swing it around as soon as he was in range. Buu didn't move.
Now! He swung—his hand, with the orb, shot at Buu's head—and Buu swayed casually to the side, dodging effortlessly. No, damn it—
Buu brought both arms up, grinning murderously. One hand grabbed Goku's right forearm, the other the upper arm just near the shoulder. Then…it pulled.
Goku wasn't quite aware of what happened next; he was too busy screaming. It might have been a second or a minute before he managed to open his working eye and take in the situation. The world was moving in slow motion, or seemed to be as his brain struggled to process the overwhelming input it was getting. Far too much blood was flying out away from him. His last hope, the barely-contained star, was drifting away from him. The ground was rushing up to meet him. Buu stood in front of him, laughing hysterically, Goku's severed right arm held two-handed above its head like a trophy.
That's…it, then…it was a crazy plan anyway… The black at the edges crept in, and the world slowly began to go dark again. Damn it…I just couldn't beat Majin Buu in the end…after all this time…
A wave of dread swept over Chi-Chi. Like something had just entered her mind and stolen the light out of the world. Her breath caught in her throat—and then, she knew. "Go…ku?"
Goku fell into darkness, and the darkness rushed up to meet him. On one hand, he wished he could've won in the end—but on the other, he accepted it. He'd done all he could.
A voice. Mumbling? No, far-off.
King Yemma…? Am I dead already?
No. Not him, but it sounded familiar. And finally, he caught the words.
"Is…that…all?"
Wh…wha…?
"What did I tell you? You have the potential to be the greatest of us! You always did! Look at how powerful you've grown! And yet you can't even beat this little freak of nature!"
Ve-Vegeta?
"Kakarot! Don't you dare give in now! If I see you in the afterlife before Buu's dead, I swear I'll kill you all over again!"
Heh heh…encouraging. But…sorry, I've given everything I have…Buu's just too tough for me. I hate saying it, but that's just the way it is.
"Nonsense. You know—and I know—this battle isn't about survival; it's about victory. The mightiest warrior of the saiyan race cannot—will not—lose to this monster! Even if it kills you!"
Yeah…Raditz said the same…are you really…talking to me? Or am I just hallucinating…blood loss an' stuff…
"Does it matter? Remember what I told you, Kakarot. Ruthless. Unstoppable. You have the potential. Don't ever stop fighting! As your prince, I command you to win!"
I…can only…try…
"'Trying' is another word for 'failing'. Now." The voice paused for a long time, then: "GET UP!"
The violence of the words shook Goku awake. Barely any time had passed. He was still falling. Buu had discarded his missing arm. His attack was still drifting away. There was still blood everywhere.
"Even…if it…kills me…!" He spat. He spun in midair, every movement a monumental effort that sent spikes of pain through his broken body. I need to sleep for, like, a week, but. Not. Yet. He fought through the pain, righting himself and bringing his remaining, left arm around and snatching the miniature star out of the air. "RAAAAAAAH!"
"Eh?" Buu was genuinely shocked—it had thought for sure this time that he was dead. Caught off-guard, it swung a close-range punch. Goku gritted his teeth, fighting momentary blackouts. Faster…stronger! Kaioken…times…something…much power as I have left! "HYAAAAA!" Wreathed in magical flames, he spun around the incoming punch, and brought his own arm down. "It's your turn, Buu!" With a final effort, he rammed the sphere into Buu's open, screaming mouth and down its throat, then withdrew his arm and kicked off its chest to propel himself away.
Nova Burst—GO!
The universe is a strange place, full of natural wonders. Stars being born, and dying in cataclysmic supernovae, are two such wonders.
But a star being born and going supernova at the same time? Somewhat less common.
Goku wasn't awake to see it, though. When he finally awoke, there was no sign of Majin Buu at all. He was superficially burned, but the majority of the cataclysmic, cosmic explosion must have been contained inside Buu's body, destroying it from inside-out.
He managed to sit, then to stand. What now? All that he could see, in the endless emptiness of the Hyperbolic Time Chamber, was his severed arm and the demolished remains of the entrance. Picking up the former, he trudged over to the latter. Complex thought was now getting beyond him. Blood loss was starting to seriously affect his mental processes. He staggered, fell, stood again.
Then, mind and body almost failing, he made a decision. He took a deep breath. One thought overrode all.
"I WANNA GO HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO—"
"Damn it, what good is this thing if I can't do anything with it?!" Tien shouted, almost hysterical. "I can't just give all the energy back! It's going to blow up something!"
"Hmm…" Raditz stood up. "What if Kibitoshin could teleport you to some uninhabited planet, and you could throw it at their moon or something? Would the Spirit Bomb go with you?"
"I don't know! I wasn't really thinking about what'd happen if I couldn't—"
Unexpectedly (needless to say), a warping, crackling hole in reality blasted its way open where the Time Chamber door had once stood. Through it, generating the massive amount of power that had busted down the weakened barrier between dimensions, came a voice:
"—OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOME!"
"Wha—"
"Look! Something's—"
"Is that—"
Goku stepped out into the real world, the portal closing behind him. "Hey. 'm gonna go 'n' sleep now, kay?" With that, he collapsed.
"Dad!" Gohan rushed forwards, holding up his unconscious father. "Dende, quick—"
"Right!" Dende hurried over, placing his hands on Goku and using his recovered healing energies to restore Goku, even placing the severed arm on the shoulder stump and re-attaching it.
Goku stood, stretching. "Hey, everybody! Sorry for worrying you all, hah!" Laughter and the rush of victory followed, of course. They got maybe eleven seconds of it before the feeling hit them.
A terrible sensation, and a familiar one. A ki they had hoped they'd never have to feel again.
"D…Do you feel it?" Break whispered.
"Buu!" Gohan growled. "He's still alive! But how—and where is he? It feels like he's close…"
Come on! Goku mentally groaned. I blew up a sun in his face, and he's not dead?! What the hell! Wait…it's coming from…"Right here! But I don't see him…"
"Ah!" Goten pointed, trembling. "Dad, on your back—look—" All eyes turned to Goku. True enough, a pulsing pink mass had attached itself to Goku's back—the tiniest remnant of Buu, possibly only a single molecule had survived—and was slowly growing.
"Gyaah! Get it off!" Goku spun, clawing at it, but it was still growing. If he envelops me fully…he'll absorb me, and then! He didn't even want to think about it. "Somebody shoot him!"
"I can't without hitting you!" Raditz hissed. "Pull it off first!"
"Can't—reach—it's moving too fast…" Something caught his eye. This light…it's not the sun! He looked up. A Spirit Bomb?! Wow, that thing's enormous! Hey, nice going, Tien!
…all right, then. He took off, flying straight for the Spirit Bomb above Tien's head.
"Wait!" Gohan shouted after him. "Don't kill yourself just to—"
"Don't worry," Tien called down to him. "The Spirit Bomb only affects those with evil in their hearts—it won't hurt Goku."
"Oh, it does?" Goku laughed. "Neat! I don't have to die too, then."
He didn't know?! Tien was stunned. And he still…
"All right…" Goku was pushing back with his ki, trying to keep Buu from moving or spreading around him. The light of the Spirit Bomb was blinding, its size enveloping his entire field of vision. "…Buu. You were really a great opponent. The toughest I've ever faced. I hope…I hope maybe you can come back some day—as a better person, I guess. I'd love to fight you again." The ultimate energy attack burned in front of him, the collective hope and generosity of two entire races. "Well…see ya round!" Spreading his arms out to the sides, Goku stepped into the light.
"Get down!" Tien shouted, releasing his hold on the Spirit Bomb as it reacted violently to Buu's evil presence and diving to the floor. "Everybody take cover!"
"This is it…!" Raditz almost laughed, unable to contain his excitement.
"So bright…" Launch murmured.
It took over a minute for the blast to clear, the mighty attack eventually scattering and lighting up the entire western hemisphere of the planet with the universe's greatest fireworks display.
Now, Majin Buu, as was known to all present, had a truly astounding capacity to regenerate. In fact, even if it was reduced to atoms, those atoms could then reform into its unharmed body (even Cell required at least a complete organic cell). Science cannot explain this, which is why Buu's abilities fall firmly into the category of magic.
So it was lucky indeed that the Spirit Bomb, when it kills someone, destroys them on a subatomic level—especially a being as pure evil as Majin Buu. It screamed its dying rage, unheard, to the heavens as it was torn apart, rent asunder and reduced to nothing at all, no trace left of the greatest threat the universe had ever known.
Majin Buu was dead.
Denouement next chapter. So questions answered, subplots wrapped up, that sort of thing. Or maybe not, depending on whether or not I remember all the things I set up.
Things I devoted too much time to that no-one will even notice #492: Finding out exactly what Goku says to Kid Buu in Japanese when he kills him. Turns out it's "matane", which Google Translate informs me means "See you dear", or "I will see you around".
And thing #493: Finding a map of the DB world so I could figure out what part of the world they're in. It was actually really cool finding out where everything in the series happened relative to each other. For instance, did you know that Cell first arrived in the present not too far from where Buu's cocoon was buried? Though weirdly enough it showed the site of "Goku and Vegeta's battle" as being halfway across the world from "Shootout with Vegeta", so I don't really know what that meant. It is actually interesting, though; they must fly a lot quicker than I thought before, because some of those distances between events that directly follow each other are enormous.
I almost had Kid Buu speak again, then glancing at the reviews I was reminded that I'd said that he only spoke once last chapter. Natural 20 on my author's saving throw there…
Q:This chapter is pretty damn close to the Death of Vegeta in terms of quality (I regard that one as the peak of your fanfic). Vivid descriptions, awesome fight scenes and lots of speculation material. I gave up trying to interpret a while ago, lest the bigger nerds come around and steal my lunch money.
A: Thanks very much!
Q: Here's what I think is the correct flow of power: Vegito Buuhan Buutenks Ultimate/Mystic Gohan Buucolo Super Buu SSJ3 Goku Kid Buu
A: Sounds about right.
Q:Well, haven't posted a review since I stopped reading... 20 chapters ago? Anyway, I suspect Super Saiyan 4 Goku defeating Kid Buu from the thoughts of... was it Gohan? But I don't see how unless you:
1. Change Super Saiyan 4
2. Move the battle outside the HTC when it's night
3. Move the fight outside the HTC and have Raditz resort to stalling for the Spirit Bomb by throwing up an artificial moon to have Gohan go Oozaru, but instead of becoming Oozaru, he becomes a Golden Oozaru and gains control of it. Gohan does still have his tail, right?
Someone should die, though. That sentence about death has made my thoughts linger to a hypothetical Super Saiyan 5. I agree with Sauce's thoughts on that btw.
So if you went with the last idea of how SSj4 would be achieved, in the group of main 3 Saiyans of BTtL there'd be: a Mystic Saiyan (Goku), a Super Saiyan 4 (Gohan), and then possibly Raditz as a Super Saiyan God later.
A: Interesting thoughts, but nope, not SSJ4.
Q:Ahn...I have been thinking for a long time...does really exists a legendary state?To me it always was some chaotic form of ssj2 with bonus and losses against the original,like ignoring pain but REALLY losing control and you could say a poor mastery of the power too. I know it have some glamor in painting things in the legendary way,but,an alternative form of ssj2 caused by madness also have its good points,oh well,strayed from the thought,but,what do you think,to me it was always clear...oh shit,I was gonna ask if toryama said about this,but,Brolly isnt canonic...oh well...nice story,by the way,I only disagree with the initial over-powered buu...and last question,IF gohan gained the power unlock from the supreme kai,would he be able to multiply his huge mystic power level like goku?(he would be OP,I know,but,oh well...on future sagas,this COULD be one triumph card,no? (sorry if my grammar isnt that great,Im not a native on English, and dont really like to practice the grammar part...)
Well, thats going with this great work.
Thanks.
A: That's an interesting take on it. Personally, I view it as a separate form, like being born with a natural affinity for bulking up (so succeeding where Trunks failed), but that's an equally valid interpretation.
Possibly, but Gohan doesn't know the Kaioken.
Q:Unfortunately I don't have much to say about this chapter, either good hings nor bad. Stuff just kinda happened...
Well I guess I was kinda irked by how quickly Tien thought of the Spirit Bomb and then rushed through the explanation. It just sort of came out of nowhere.
A: Sorry about that. I see what you mean.
Q:actually, kid buu being the strongest buu is from the japanese anime. in the manga, kaioshin calls kid buu the most dangerous buu, but in the anime he says the strongest buu. also, the anime has ssj goku stronger than U. gohan, with the filler scene inside buu's body of them fighting. yeah. the dub has some issues, but it also inherited a lot from the japanese anime.
A: Oh, I didn't know that. I mean, I knew the anime added several issues (I'll get to those…), but I didn't realise that was one of them.
Q: My new predictions (which, as the trend goes, are GUARANTEED to be wrong): Goku, realizing he cannot win, either reaches the inner calm mixed with rage necessary to go SSJ3 (if a kai boost plus being in a hella freaky dimension that I'm guessing is already unstable isn't a unique enough circumstance I don't know what is lol) OR goes Vegeta and tries to self sacrifice (powering up to kaioken x5 would probably do it... and probably break the room). Either way, the third dragon wish is used on Goku for some reason or another.
Question on how you feel about the spirit bomb: do you think the Buu killing bomb was enough because of its power? Or because of its unique energy composition (I feel like most agree that spirit bomb energy has a magic element)? I am on the latter side personally, though I'd love to hear your take on that
A: Yeah…sorry, neither of those.
I think a mixture of both. Its magical, positive-energy element let it completely destroy Buu, unlike most attacks; but a lesser Spirit Bomb, like the one that hit Frieza, wouldn't have worked despite being magical in the same way.
Q:I'm wondering, is your Kid Buy stronger than normal Super Buu? The canon story was Kid Buy was signifigantly weaker, and Mystic Gohan could have shat on him, which is why I assume he was killed off right before the fight with him.
A: Yeah, Kid Buu plus Majin Piccolo is stronger than base Super Buu here.
Q:The person who is talking about Chinese Kanji when it comes to Son Goku rather proves my point. It's an entire change in languages; the written language, kanji, doesn't get bastardized; it's the spoken name! Sun Wu-k'ung; they translated the given name, and kept the family name unchanged. Sun Goku; and over time, the PRONUNCIATION (as I mentioned in my previous comment, not the written kanji) as pronunciations are wont to do, changed to Son Goku; and then the written word changed to match the pronunciation. Once again, as language is wont to do; our verbal language changes first, our written language follows the verbal change.
A: As usual I have no opinion, but Guest has responded and the ball is in Ryu no Ohi's court now. Or…her side of the court? That phrase confuses me. There's only one court, surely.
Q:Come on! Nappa Drowned!? Stupid way to die, u could have made it a double ko nappa piccolo
A: You know what? Yes. I should. Thank you. If this story ever gets revamped for whatever reason, that will happen.
…I keep saying these things…I'm dooming myself to revamping this in some form. Though that could get boring. Maybe if I could do a comic I'd make some of these changes there. But it'd be a loooong project. (On the other hand, any artists reading this who'd draw it?)
Q:two questions one what's up with goku hearing buy/gohans thoughts and two could you put up a manga version of this please ?
A: I would really like to, yes, but please don't make it sound so easy. It's not like I have a manga version just sitting around waiting to be uploaded. And I'm no comic artist.
Q:As part of the postgame saga, could you possibly have a little arc about some of the infrequently shown z fighters and just give them a little development (dosn't have to be someone like Yamcha). I was thinking maybe they could find a way to go to the future of their timeline (NOT Future Break's timeline) or go to Future Break's timeline and find something bad happening.
(BTW, didn't something bad already happen to Future Break's timeline? In that case, they could come to find a destroyed world or a rebuilding world. Whichever one.)
A: Perhaps. Hmm…so, people like the name 'postgame saga', then?
Q: Hmmm, I got a thought about the Hyperbolic Time Chamber. Is Elder Kai's Unlock Potential more effective in bringing it out power than training? I'd think so since he's a god and all, but why not put Elder Kai in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber and have people go in.
A: Because he can still only do it once per person? Or did you mean in terms of speeding it up so it only takes a couple minutes outside?
Q:i don't usually leave reviews on your chapters, but since your fic is one of my favorite (if not the most favorite), and a fic that will include ssj4 in the near future. i have to ask of you to not make the same mistake and abomination GT made in regard of colors, magical clothes, and such.
i suppose that the form has to do with "ancient" saiyans, the power laying dormant deep inside saiyans of this era. you know how ssj3 triggers this oohzaru going back to human vision? and how it actually causes physical change aside from hair dye and epic saiyan hair-gel? the eyebrows, monstrous look, epic proportions of power...etc. i think you can assume that the ssj3 form is what the saiyan achieves when trying to attain the dormant powers of the ancient saiyans in them, with the lack of the tail...or the mere lack of mental training to control the oohzaru, of course, the basic "ssj4" idea doesn't go on the same "branch" of transformation as the one for super saiyans. you could say that this "ssj4" is simply a "true saiyan" form, extremely high power, mental concentration and capacity, along with full control, as in "taming the beast"...take for example Naruto and the 9 tailed fox...it lays dormant there inside him... once this power "deems him worthy" (like what you talked about in raditz's super saiyan transformation when he starts having doubts), he gets a little bit of it...and since these saiyans were already able to use the super saiyan form branch, an incomplete form is achieved, so basically, it's not double ascended, it's just an incomplete merger of both super saiyan and "true" saiyan.
back to the naruto thingy, just like what naruto does, he finally "makes peace" with the beast within, and they combine their powers to achieve great proportions...so it'll be the GT ssj4, with brown fur instead of the stupid red. eyes should be the same but red like an oohzaru.
also, if a saiyan who doesn't ever get to the trauma needed to gain super saiyan (turles being an exception due to the tree of might's power...although that might be further elaborated upon), but still takes grasp of the oohzaru power control, condenses it into a humanoid form and achieves powers like those of EFB saiyans (presumably those who would gain the transformation later on), would transform into a pseudo form of true saiyan. look at goku's mental image during his ssj3 transformation, midway between oohzaru and normal, he looks like a black haired ssj2 with a somewhat large build, no eyebrows, and possibly also red eyes. this is what the form could basically look like. this could also be the basis of where the "imperfect" transformation into "ssj3" comes from. a combination of ssj2 and a part of that imperfect true saiyan form.
however, those 2 powers can be combined. so it could be something like hair standing like ssj2, fur going blonde...etc.
the main thing needed for this transformation to be perfect would require a tail, however, the one without the "ssj4" look wouldn't need it, but would have a large portion of power lacking.
also, the true saiyan transformation would be achieved through base form or oohzaru, the latter being the easier way, since the former requires more meditation and enlightenment, while the oohzaru simply requires control, and a super saiyan oohzaru would need almost the same traumatic experience to achieve... i don't know why, but an oohzaru can't just go apeshit (see what i did there?) and turn super saiyan immediately. i'd like to leave that idea out. since if ssj4 is something different than ssj, why would it need an ssj oohzaru in the first place? that would get to the True Super Saiyan form i described earlier.
i hope you find my ideas worthy enough to be included in your future sagas and concepts for saiyan transformations. i believe it is the only plausible way to base on the great ideas that GT introduced, yet failed to present correctly.
A: I almost don't want to say it at this point, but I like the red-furred look. However, I do agree that the magic clothes is odd. It'd make more sense for them to just plan ahead and get stretchy saiyan-armour-like clothes. But anyway.
I personally think SSJ3 is very much a part of the same chain of progression as SSJ1 and 2. It sort of seems like the emphasis of all this ki flowing out of them, manifesting into this ethereal, otherworldly, godlike being.
Your other ideas I don't have any disagreements with, so I'll just post them here for people to see because they're definitely some interesting concepts.
Q: reading the QnA of this chapter, where the question was about the fusion reborn mini-arc...i think i found out cell's perfect insult that broke the barrier down completely...
"you're the equivalent of the joke that Captain Space omitted from his BTtL first draft"
A: This is now canon.
(Disclaimer: 75% chance that the above statement is a joke.)
Q: On a side note I am officially in the final throes of the Dragonball series, meaning the 6-10 episode 'final battle' with Piccollo. I have resolved that Toriyama had a certain knack for dragging out fights to lengths that they should not have any reason to last to. When a ref takes 2 minutes to count to ten, and at nine the fighter stands up and begins throwing down as if completely unwounded, I can't find an explanation except the author had a strange desire to stretch everything out. Which I feel, when it comes down to needing length and not having material to give length with, I understand.
A: That's not Toriyama, really, it's Toei Animation trying to not overtake the manga by adding lots of padding and filler.
Q: A little curiosity on my part, regarding canon, not necessarily Break Through the Limit, although it does call upon your work for the confusion element. After Kami and Piccollo sync, is Dende in canon sent to Earth to serve as the new guardian? If so, why not...some extremely powerful young warrior, as was evidently the case when Kami succeeded the previous Guardian of Earth, wherein the Guardian would have been selected from Earth's current residents.
And my second question, if this is what takes place in Canon, does Dende in fact recreate Shenron with greater capabilities than Kami possessed? And based on the answer yes, how? Kami was half of a Super-Namek was he not? In that case should he not still be far more powerful than Dende, an ordinary Namekian? Or...do I have my facts regarding Super-Nameks, and Namekians miscontstrued?
Thanks for your amazing work on BTtL!
A: First question: Dende was part of the Dragon Clan and could create Dragon Balls (hence why Guru's power-up gave him healing abilities and not just fighting power). None of the warrior Nameks could. Kami/Piccolo/Nameless Namek when he originally came to Earth was some kind of 'Super Namekian', with both incredible power and magical abilities.
Second question: I have no idea. Given that Kami hadn't had the chance to learn from other Nameks, Dende might've had more experience (plus Guru's power-up) and be more magically proficient?
Q: I see that the "streams of information" MIGHT have hints about SSJ4 - "Saiyan Two Three Four?" and "different form higher form". Does that mean SSJ4 could appear in the Buu Saga?
A: Not quite, it was more meant to represent Gohan thinking desperately of things to beat Buu with, just like "hmm, what if there was a SSJ4, that'd work", and "higher form" was as in a higher form of energy. Like a Spirit Bomb. Or the sun (or a sun, anyway.)