So yeah, it was a bit late due to lack of Internet connection for most of last week, but hey, it's a longish chapter at least.
Chapter 14: First Among Equals
Why is there no subtitle this week? Kronos Shenron stole it, that's why. Which is a shame, because it was an awesome one. And it's definitely not because I've had no Internet connection for most of the week, so haven't been able to correspond with Ryu no Ohi about it. Nope. (I mean, obviously not, she's psychic so that wouldn't be a problem.)
Inevitable Question: If Gamma Shenron is a Namekian dragon, why isn't he a Porunga instead?
Answer: Read the chapter, okay?
Okay, I've got this nagging feeling there was something I was going to edit and change in this chapter, but I've looked it over and over and I cannot find the damn thing aaargh so it may well be nothing, it could be fine, but if you notice something give me a heads-up, okay? Thanks.
"In all likelihood, I will not be dead," Whis' hologram conjectured, shrugging. "I believe that the Shadow Dragons wish that I continue to exist, and carry out my 'duty'. But you are no doubt confused, and I imagine have been for some time. Here it is, then; the truth.
"I hope you will take my word for it, in any case—most of you know me only as the Priest's assistant, but Cadmus is aware, at least, that I am something greater than any of you, and the Priest knows a little more, if nothing close to the full truth." He frowned. "Anyway…I will get straight to the point.
"You are aware of thirteen universes, but in fact there are more than you could know. Your thirteen exist in close proximity to each other, quite like a solar system, allowing easy travel between them, and share some similarities—each has a Hakaishin and several Kaioshin, for instance. You are indeed fortunate that there are so many universes, or else the Eternal would have turned its attention to you much sooner.
"Within each of your thirteen universes, there is a cycle of creation and destruction, Kaioshin and Hakaishin. This cycle is repeated on a grander scale; I am the one responsible for the creation of universes. The Eternal is their destroyer. In both cases, the destroyer is far more powerful than the creator, to prevent the creator rebelling, and the destroyer dare not attack the creator, for fear of having nothing left to destroy.
"The Eternal has made an attempt on your system once before, aeons ago, and was only thwarted by an action that I have yet to decide whether it was the bravest thing I have ever known anyone to do, or the most cowardly…"
Namek, the far future…
"Gamma Shenron…" Raditz repeated, almost entranced by the dragon. "So…any chance you could tell me what's going on?"
"In what context do you mean that?" he asked, fixing him with as close to a quizzical look as a dragon could. "Explain the Dragon Fist that has puzzled you for so long, and how I am connected to you? Or explain your current situation?"
"…both?" Raditz hazarded.
"The first, I will do." Gamma sighed. "But the second is not my field of expertise. I will let the other explain that."
"Other…?"
"I will help you find him in due time. Now: The Dragon Fist."
"Right…it started with a dream."
Gamma nodded slowly, uncoiling somewhat as he talked. "The future is not set—this is merely one possible future. Kronos Shenron's power is great indeed…he was able to create an entire possible timeline, one in which this universe was untouched by creators or destroyers after its birth, eventually causing it to fall into a gradual decline into darkness—you may have noted the low frequency of stars in the sky, for one thing. The universe…is dying, if slowly."
"Namek's looking pretty good, minus the people," Raditz pointed out.
"They continued to advance their magical abilities to greater heights throughout the millennia; they used the power of the Dragon Balls to counteract the few problems they encountered, and without the need to adapt to their environment, their evolution never progressed. Due to some of these protective wishes, their planet—and its inhabitants—survived even after its suns flickered out and died.
"But die they did, finally. After millions upon millions of years, they began to dwindle out of…well, boredom and depression. Less eggs were produced every year, and some looked with growing sadness at the fading of the universe and took their own lives. No dragon could prevent such a fate, not even the other and myself, the final two Eternal Dragons, and the greatest the Namekian race ever produced. Eventually, there was but one Namekian left. We told him of the cataclysm of old that had also left one survivor, and how that survivor had repopulated the planet. We suggested he do the same.
"He only said, 'Why?'.
"And then he wished to die."
"And you granted that wish?!" Raditz barked.
"It is what we are for." Gamma lifted his head. "And now to the part that concerns you. Many years passed. I did not count them. Eventually the other developed his powers to the point where he could perceive and affect the timestream, and we became aware of our own semi-real existence as a created offshoot of your timeline. We also saw the terrible danger your universe was in. While he held the connection open, I was able to make contact with you."
Raditz raised an eyebrow. "If you were trying to stop the Eternal, you came a couple decades early…I had the dream while in Otherworld…"
"We knew the timing would not be accurate; better to be early than late." Gamma paused. "I sought to give you a weapon against the Shadow Dragons, hence your technique for defeating enemies far stronger than yourself. However…apparently 'son of Bardock, a warrior who has surpassed Super Saiyan, lived on Earth for most of life, has been dead' wasn't specific enough, and I accidentally contacted both of you, binding myself to both your souls."
"So all this time, we've been summoning you…!" Raditz smiled as revelations began to hit him one after the other. "So that's why it stayed at the same level, even when we improved…and why we couldn't both use it at the same time."
"It is a shame my power was split in this way, though…the Dragon Fist you have been employing is nothing compared to my full power. I am a combat dragon, you see, the strongest Namekians have ever created, just as my partner, Omega Shenron, is their greatest wishing-dragon, possessed of immense magical power."
"Uh-huh." Raditz held up a hand to interrupt. "Speaking of which, how is it you two are still kicking around after your creators died?"
"I told you that we are far superior to the dragons in your time. Those crude, early creations are to us as a candle is to a star."
"All right, whatever…and you say Omega's the guy to go to for the rest of the story?"
"Indeed. I am no intellectual…he understands it all better than I."
Raditz turned away, beginning to walk off. "Well, good for you. One question, though…any way back to my time?"
"No. None at all."
"Hah!" The saiyan grinned. "Clearly lying. Otherwise why bother telling me all that? Let me guess, there's this one way but it's really dangerous and stuff."
"I…you…speak to Omega."
"All right, be unhelpful then."
Heaven's Bridge…
"You have infuriated me from the moment you entered my sight," Kronos Shenron declared. "Finally eradicating you will be a great relief."
"Come try it…" Goku responded, keeping his guard up. Crap…the stuff this guy can do, even when he's just playing around…what am I gonna do?
Kronos spread his arms out, the space around him growing darker, jagged lines cutting through the air and fracturing it, as if Kronos was being reflected in a broken mirror. "Now, if you approach me, you will die. But approach you must, if you want to get through the door—and lest you forget, you are working with a time limit."
Above, on the top of the tower, Alpha Shenron breathed a sigh of relief. Those mortals were beginning to worry me…we lost a lot of people today. But I never should have doubted, not with Kronos around. Already, only one enemy remains…and if he's using this technique, this one should die most unpleasantly…
"Yeah, thanks for reminding me," Goku muttered. "Well…I guess I am coming to you." He fired up his aura, burning his Super Saiyan power to the maximum. Whatever happens… He reminded himself. Gotta…keep moving forward.
"This technique," Kronos warned him, "attacks your own personal timeline. The flaws and inconsistencies in your personality throughout your life will cause you to be pulled in different directions…you will be torn apart by it. The only being who could survive this would be one still untouched by the world's cruelty, an innocent baby or somesuch…and idealistic you may be, but you're not that."
"I guess we'll just have to find out!" Goku tensed himself up. "Like you want, I'm comin' to you! I'll use my strongest attack…so one way or the other, this ends here!" He rushed at Kronos, preparing himself for anything, and upon reaching the edge of Kronos' fractured area, he leapt.
The sensation was immediate—a great tugging force, in countless directions all at once, tearing away at him. He felt small cuts begin to open as his body failed to completely resist the pull. Just…keep on…going…
What's happening? Kronos wondered, realising with some alarm that Goku was now nearing him, and still alive. He should have been dead instantly…what's gone wrong?! I won't accept some cop-out fairytale answer like "he's too pure"…no being, mortal or divine, is flawless!
Goku drew his fist back. "This is it…!" Light erupted around his hand, accompanied by a deep roar.
No, I see it now… Kronos realised. He isn't flawless, that much is clear from the minor injury he has sustained. He changed as he grew like anyone, but…there was always a certain untouched simplicity at his core…and while normally that wouldn't be enough to save him…right now…!
"RYU-KEN!"
His universe is in danger, he's the last standing when his friends have all been defeated, and he's staked his life on one attack…right now, that core of his is encompassing his entire being…there's nothing in his entire being at this moment other than the will to fight!
The golden dragon produced by Goku's attack rammed head-on into Kronos, enormous teeth biting down into his shoulder and midsection, continuing its acceleration and propelling him out into empty air. He was screaming, but wasn't aware of this; he could barely perceive anything at this point. Is this…what pain feels like…?
I…salute you, mortals…every one of you…for living with such a burden… The energy composing the Ryu-Ken lost integrity and exploded violently, tearing Kronos to shreds and throwing Goku backwards off his feet.
Goku pushed himself up, chest heaving. Man…I don't think I've ever faced anyone more dangerous…he probably had a hundred ways to kill me instantly. The only thing that saved me…was that he got unlucky in choosing which one to use. If I hadn't already met our god, I'd swear somebody up there was looking out for me…
Looking wistful, he addressed the deceased Shadow Dragon. "I guess I get why you were so down about our universe…and I didn't really have a response at the time…but like I said, we are here, and we have made things better, natural or not. The Dragon Balls have always been a force for good before now…and all that evil stuff you were talking about, we've beaten it. Just like we'll beat this. Things'll always look bleak if you only look for the dark in everything." He faced the door. Who knows how much time's left…no time to wait for Pan, Raditz or the others. They'll be back when they're back. I gotta do what I can on my own until they get here.
He took a nervous step through the doorway, his surroundings fading to somewhere outdoors—the top of the tower. The Katchin surface was cold beneath his feet, not helped by the howling wind. Hey, where's that lead dragon, anyway? She should be right—
A clawed hand grabbed him by the neck, and he was lifted off his feet faster than he could follow, before immediately being slammed into the floor, vision blurring from the jarring impact.
Alpha's haunting red eyes glared down at his. "What does it take?!" she spat.
Goku swung a punch up at her, but before it connected she'd hurled him away to the edge of the tower, straightening up and adjusting her jacket. "Does the afterlife just hate you and refuse you entry, or what?"
"Wish that was the case…" Goku muttered, getting to his feet and assuming a fighting stance. "Man, you sound mad…you want me to apologise for winning so much, or what?"
"You're right, I do…" Alpha paused, taking a deep breath and smiling. "I apologise. Genuinely. I let myself get carried away. I don't resent you at all." She chuckled. "I mean, I'll still kill you since you insist on fighting, but please rest assured I feel nothing but respect for any of you."
Goku frowned. "Okay, you're confusing me already. Usually it takes my enemies a few minutes to manage that."
"I'll elaborate, but do you mind if we get on with this as I do so? I've always been a multitasker." Without waiting for a reply, she flinched forwards, and the next instant was standing before him, a lazy punch hurling him into the air. "My philosophy is simple."
Goku managed to halt himself, flying back down towards the tower and aiming a ki blast at her feet to distract her, before darting around behind her, rebounding off the ground and throwing a spinning kick. His leg hit nothing but air, however, and a sharp impact to the stomach floored him again.
"I believe that we were all created for a purpose," Alpha explained. "There are, of course, the creators and destroyers of worlds, or of universes. Simple enough. Then myself and the other Shadow Dragons—we are the Eternal's creatures, and our purpose is to enact its supreme will. As, you'll notice," she added as she sidestepped an energy beam, "I am doing now. You, on the other hand…" She lunged forwards, throwing a kick that launched him clean off the tower. "You mortals are an interesting case.
"You exist for no other purpose than to continue to exist; to procreate, to increase your numbers and your quality of life. Thus, understand that I do not hate you—I find you inspiring! You are carrying out this purpose magnificently! Fighting so long, and so hard, merely for the right to fight again in the future. It's heartwarming, really."
Goku groaned as the pain from this latest blow slowly receded. What to do…well, this worked last time… "RYU-KEN!" He summoned the attack again, charging with it back towards Alpha, who swung her leg up and kicked the Ryu-Ken up and away from her—but the impact sent her stumbling back a couple of steps. Goku wasted no time, following up with his other magnified attack. "Times-Ten—KAMEHAMEHA!"
The dual-coloured beam emerged from his outstretched hands and flew arrow-straight at Alpha, who, not expecting another powerful attack in such rapid succession, had to use both hands to catch it and force it to a halt, grinning and sweating slightly. "You've grown a lot stronger since you first arrived at this tower…but I hope you can see that there's still a vast difference between our powers."
Goku nodded. "That's 'cause you've got divine ki, right?"
"Well done!" Alpha confirmed.
"Hardly seems fair…"
"On the contrary, I earned every bit of my power." She strolled towards him. "You saiyans, from what I've seen, have a notable ability to improve rapidly and increase your power. As it happens, so do we. A Shenron-type Shadow Dragon needs no elaborate ritual or special birthright to achieve divine ki; however, it is very rare for one to emerge with the talent and dedication to do so. I, needless to say, am one of those."
Goku shrugged. "Still not great for my chances."
"And that brings us to the other, even simpler, part of my philosophy." She pointed straight at him. "Shit happens. Deal with it."
"So basically, 'life's not fair'…yeah, heard that one before…" Goku darted in for a quick jab. "Your friend Kronos was pretty big on that stuff…"
Alpha didn't bother to defend, taking the punch and a follow-up without reacting. She began to advance, continuing to take his blows unflinchingly, completely unharmed. "He's right, you know. This world is cruel. You know how I rose to such power?"
"Hrg…enlighten…huh…me…nng…" Goku continued his rapid stream of attacks, still to no avail, even though Alpha was allowing him to land every one.
"There is a place called the Pit. Some of us believe it is in a lifeless universe the Eternal has no other use for; others, that it exists within the Eternal itself. I do not care." She looked slightly upwards, remembering. "We Shadow Dragons are periodically spawned by the thousands and dumped into it. It is millions of miles from top to bottom. The few who emerge into the light become full-fledged heralds for the Eternal. That is where I met Kronos…"
The Pit, many years ago…
Kronos clambered over an outcrop of rocky ground, wiping his mouth after his bloody meal—Shadow Dragons did not get hungry often, but eventually they did, and down here there was no source of food but each other. Yet another reason to endlessly fight amongst themselves. The eternal thunderstorm rumbled in the unseen sky far above him, the only indication this far down that the outside world existed at all.
Cresting the hill, he was greeted with a sight that would have perhaps still surprised him a few years ago. A small girl in a torn, bloodstained green cloak sat huddled atop a mound of dead Shadow Dragons. Her eyes, twin crimson orbs, illuminated the surrounding darkness. Kronos continued his approach, fearlessly walking straight up to her and crouched down to her level. "You are incredibly strong, especially for your age…but you're not very good at hiding your power. There are bigger fish in the sea, and if they catch wind of you, they'll flock to devour you."
She gave him an unfeeling glance. "I am hiding my power," she answered in a monotone voice.
I…I don't think she's lying… Kronos realised. Which means…even this…is but a fraction of her true strength? This young?! Even for this hell we live in…what horrors must she have lived through…? He quickly decided this one was worth his attention. "Well, little one, my name is Kronos. And you?"
"Had a name," she replied, still expressionless. "Forgot. On purpose. Didn't like it."
"I see…" Kronos smiled slightly. "Well, you can't go without a name, now, can you? I have to call you something. What is it you want?"
"To be stronger," she said, now with feeling. "The strongest. This world is cruel, and the weak die." She looked into his eyes. "Don't wanna die."
"The strongest, eh?" Kronos nodded. "Then, how about…Alpha? There's a name to match your ambition."
She shrugged. "Don't care what you call me." She paused. "You're gonna follow me around?"
"You're perceptive, I see…"
"You'll probably die. That happens around me."
"I might."
She stood up, now only just level with his crouching head height, even on higher ground as she was. "What do you want?"
"To leave this place. To find out who put us here, and why." He noticed her puzzled frown. "That's never occurred to you, has it? Leaving. There's a problem, of course…there are gangs nearer the surface…armies, even…they prefer ruling this dismal place to the uncertainty above, and don't want anyone leaving." Alpha's face had lit up, and Kronos nodded. "Yes, it does sound like a challenge, does it not?"
"Are they strong?"
"Very."
"We'll need to get better, then."
"Undoubtedly." Kronos stood, standing back slightly. "But I have had more than my fill of this place. I've been near the surface on scouting trips a couple of times…you know, there's light up there sometimes. Light just pouring down from the sky…would you like to see that?"
Wide-eyed, Alpha nodded.
Deep space, the present…
"…and he has made such attempts to reduce the life energy throughout the thirteen universes to this day," Wistarion was saying, now finishing the story of Janemba, the Fallen One.
"…horrible…" the Hunter said quietly.
"To think," Cadmus muttered, "after all these years we thought him merely mad…I cannot believe there was so much we did not know for so long…"
"And now, on to the final part—what you must do." Wistarion's hologram stood up straighter. "You must break the cycle. Destroy Alpha Shenron—your combined power should be sufficient to defeat even her—before she gathers enough negative energy to summon the Eternal. If the Eternal is able to approach the Seventh Universe and begin devouring it, it will be lost; a being like that cannot be defeated by force, but its minions can. If you are victorious, you must ensure that Dragon Balls are never used again, in any universe—no matter the cause! There is no way of knowing how much build-up there has already been; even one wish could tip the balance and open the path for the Eternal's return."
At this point, he sighed, seeming to grow uncertain again, a pleading look entering his eyes. "Lastly, I hope you will understand that this is merely a larger-scale version of the cycle that you and the Kaioshin also perform. Continuous creation and destruction may maintain 'balance', but think of the fear, the shock you feel at the realisation that all that you know is under threat, and know that you inflict the same on your own victims. There is nothing sacred about the 'balance'. Break the Eternal's cycle, for sure…but I dare now to hope that you might also learn to break your own." He glanced off to the side, and vanished, the message ending.
Each immersed in their own thoughts, the gods flew on in silence for a while after this, broken only by the Sorcerer informing them that someone was now fighting Alpha, and that with this interference to her negative energy generation, they might make it in time after all.
Bills in particular had much to think on. Now that I think about it…Whis always acted very supportive, but since letting him go undercover as my assistant I've been sleeping more and destroying very few planets, most of them uninhabited…all along, he never wanted me to…but he knew I wouldn't change how I lived on his words alone…
It almost feels like…I never truly knew him at all…
Namek, the far future…
Raditz made his way on foot this time, mainly for a change of pace—Gamma had pointed him in Omega's general direction. However, Omega was not the next Eternal Dragon he encountered. Lying draped across his path, with a posture of what could only be described as utter laziness, was an entirely less impressive dragon.
"Bluh…" His eyes gradually rolled open, focusing on the approaching saiyan. "Oh, s'you. 'llo."
Raditz looked the dark-hued, winged dragon up and down. "You're Kokuen…they mentioned you. Briefly."
"'Course, 'course…" Kokuen muttered. "That's all I ever am, a footnote…you're off to see Omega, right?"
"Yeah. Gamma was helpful up to a point, then he clammed up." Raditz skirted around Kokuen, continuing his journey. "How'd you get here, anyway?"
"I can go wherever I like, pretty much," Kokuen replied, flipping upright and following the wandering saiyan, evidently having nothing better to do. "See, I'm…well, there's three kinds of dragon, see. Porunga-types are the most powerful to start with, but they're all very similar, not much variation between 'em; and that power makes 'em harder to summon. Most of us are Shenron-type…they have the most adaptability, and a decent bit of power, but not so much that it takes too much negative energy to summon 'em." He did a half-spin, facing Raditz again. "And then there's me—I'm one of a kind. Weak as all hell, as a result of which using me as a scout, and to fully prep the Dragon Balls for the others' arrival, doesn't waste any of their precious negative energy. There could theoretically have been a whole range of 'Kokuen-type' Shadow Dragons, but the Eternal only needs one a'me."
"I guess we're lucky the others weren't Porungas, then…" Raditz mused. "And the Nameks in this future ended up making Shenron-types, too?"
"Yeah, that adaptability again. Made it easier to experiment. So, you got these two. But yeah…after we started on this universe, I found this little dead-end of a timeline comin' off it, and came to hang out with 'em. But they're pretty dull."
Raditz paused. "You're going to need a new occupation. This cycle is going to end."
"You don't seriously think you can do that."
"Sure I do; my family's insane, and they've made me an optimist against my better judgement. Now leave me alone, will you?"
"Fine, fine." Kokuen snorted, turning away. "Nothing to do in this bloody timeline, anyway…" He slunk off, soon disappearing from view.
Eh. Whatever. Raditz continued on his way, soon spotting another 'beacon' of light on the horizon and correcting his course to head for it. Let's just hope Omega Shenron is more helpful…I know Gamma wouldn't have bothered telling me all that if there wasn't a way of getting back…man, I'm starting to get tired of possible futures and mini-universes and all these damn places I'm getting sent to…
Shadow Dragons' tower…
Goku fell back, exhausted from his prolonged, futile assault. "Feel like I'm fighting a wall. A wall made of fists," he muttered.
"I aim to excel in all things," Alpha replied. "Now, I think it's been your turn for quite long enough. Begone from my sight, saiyan." She clenched her fist, and a massive kiai broke like a tsunami over Goku; he blacked out instantly, hurled off the tower and sent flying at hypersonic speeds, eventually descending to earth in a trail of blazing light, a distant shooting star.
"If you were all your universe could muster up…" Alpha said sternly, turning away and heading back towards her throne-like seat. "…it didn't deserve to survive."
Well, this was a longish chapter at least. And hey, now we've had a decent amount of time to get acquainted with all the Shadow Dragons, here's some musical themes for each of them:
Gaia: Category 5 (Pacific Rim soundtrack)
Hades: Burn Cosmos (Saint Seiya soundtrack; it's a dramatic-comeback sort of thing, so the first half is mournful violin, but the electric guitar kicks in at the 2-minute mark)
Hephaestus: Sanageyama's theme (Kill la Kill soundtrack)
Helios: Flameheart (Two Steps from Hell)
Glacius: Battle Point Unlimited (Japanese DBZ soundtrack; the 'Trunks kills Frieza' music, basically)
Kronos: Mars (Holst's Planets Suite)
Alpha: Blumenkrantz (Kill la Kill soundtrack)
Q: Loved it! And I STILL hope to see SSJG Gohan fighting the eternal. :D But I've been wondering. Does the Eternal have a true physical form? Like a Humanoid form that can actually fight?
A: It is a physical being. It's just a truly enormous physical being that can eat universes.
Q: 1. How long does it take for the eternal to devour a universe (instantly, minutes, days, ect.)
2. Why are they al types of shenron when porunga came first.
3. Where does the eternal live? In his own universe, or what.
A: 1. A while...? I guess?
2. This chapter should help answer that.
3. It drifts along in the 'void' between universes.
Q: Hehe, when he refers to "mere mortals" having the ability to pause time due to a mutation, I'll bet that's a shout-out to Guldo, am I right?
A: Yup.
Q: I wonder why Raditz took the attack for Pan? Does he have a plan, or does he just think Goku's more valuable to fight Kronos in the present?
A: He probably wasn't thinking. He does stupid stuff sometimes.
Q: Is it me or does Gamma Shenron and indeed, the Dragon Fist greatly resemble Shenron? Coincidence? I think NOT!
A: Indeed, no coincidence; Gamma is made along the same lines as the 'basic' Shenron.
Q: I was reading through your responses this chapter, and I had a question, based on somebody elses question, and your response.
You said that a Potara fused Goku and Raditz at SSJ4 wouldn't match up WELL against the Eternal.
So, my question is: Does that mean that a Potara fused Goku and Raditz at SSJ4 would, at the very least, have a chance against the Eternal?
Another question. Since Gohan appears to be on the same level - or close to it - as the Gods of Destruction, and they're afraid of the Eternal, could the result of a fused Saiyan God and God of Destruction - or Saiyan God and "SSJ4", simply because Pan also seems to be a fairly serious threat to the Shenrons - manage to pose a decent threat to the Eternal?
Or, are gods simply unable to fuse with other beings, including other gods?
Sorry for all the questions, but my curiosity demanded I ask.
A: I...guess two fused beings, each high demigod level, might be divine? Maybe? I don't know. But even divine beings fear the Eternal.
A fusion involving divine beings...would depend entirely on the particular gods involved. I think the most likely result would be an extremely powerful divine being.
I think gods can fuse just like anybody else, personally. Whether they'd want to, of course, is a different matter entirely...
Q: are you gonna introduce another level beyond or entirely separate from divine ki for the eternal or does he just have insanely high divine ki(if at all), or is there even a way to measure it's "power", or is it simply beyond gods with no sort of classification
A: That will eventually be explained. I'm trying not to be too specific about quantifying its power...yet. (It'll come later, don't worry.)
Q: that was a very short chapter lol. I don't know, I guess I just feel like ss2 and three will always increase their overall power and speed. I feel like just remaining in super saiyan is never going to their full potential..
A: I'm mainly basing that off an interview Toriyama recently gave (saying Goku probably wouldn't go SSJ2 or SSJ3 after the fight with Bills, on the same logic as FPSSJ vs. USSJ).
Q: Hmm. Well since now that they have this super saiyan demeigod ki thing.. Whats next? How do they get stronger? You said tthey can't get divine ki aside from the ssgod ritual.. So there must be something else.. of course, they each could do the ritual on each otherr, one at a time, but that doesn't seem practical, or something you would do. Some other writers might do that, but you seem of a higher caliber than those writers... And if pan is this strong, with ss4 without unlocking ss3 (Not sure with how her power works, but I am guessing she couldn't get as high as ss3 with her "transformation" since you described it as being so otherworldly. So if goku and or raditz turned ss4 in this, I feel like they would be far more powerful than ss4 pan here, especially with his fighting instinct).. and Really? You put ssj4 goku in GT at the same level of ss4 pan in here? ... well it is your story lol. And can we see either of them go ss2 or ss3 even though they have that demigod ki?
A: Well, her transformation had the same potential for power as any other Super Saiyan, but it was like an analog increase compared to most saiyans' 'digital' one (i.e. she got variable increases from time to time, they got set amounts of power using various specific, set transformations). Which basically makes her very much geared towards increasing her power. So it's possible she could have reached SSJ3 level normally...but not much easier than a normal SSJ could, so she wouldn't have been able to do it with simple training.
Anyway, the characters will continue to grow stronger, fear not. I have it planned out. Vaguely.
Q: as for the dragon fist, I feel like I know what your saying. Its basically like tiens tri beam. Tien using his neo tri beam against cell was dangerous and was hundreds of times more powerful than him. But even if tien grew stronger, his tri beam would stay the same, since if he did it again while he was much more stronger, it would simply kill him, instantly
A: Good analogy, though the Dragon Fist not improving is more because it was never their power they were using in the first place; it was a watered-down version of Gamma's power.
Q: I was also just thinking that if this is made into an anime, it would most definitely go under the "Frieza-Five-Minute-Rule" since these battles seem to go longer that Alpha's estimates. (Although it's not like she has a watch.)
A: True, though remember if Alpha's being engaged in battle, it slows down the rate of negative energy she can generate...and she's been fighting for at least half of the time, so her estimate's probably way off by now.
Q: Just two things about your demigod and godly ki scale:
Where does the dragon fist/Ryu-Ken and/or "Gamma Shenron" stand.
And what about SSJ Gogeta. If I remember correctly, Omega pummeled two SSJ4's like it was nothing, but was COMPLETELY outmatched to Gogeta. And (correct me if I'm wrong) his 100X Big Bang Kamehameha could've killed him in one shot.
A: I did put the Dragon Fist on the demigod ki scale. Of course, that's just Gamma's weakened power. For his full power...wait and see.
As for Gogeta, as I said above, maaaaybe divine? Or something?
Q: Hey great job on the chapter, but I have to ask you, how powerful do you think a Half-Sayian/Half-Arcosion(Frieza's race) would be if some they fused, LSSJ and SSG as well as the final Arcosion form? Now I know I am thinking outside box here, but the idea came from a dream I had. Any way great job on the chapter, cant wait to see the next one,
A: Well, they'd be pretty damn powerful I guess. Definitely divine (SSJG), but...I guess it'd depend on their base power (SSJG varies highly depending on base power).
Q: I was asking in my last review was did you get the idea of Glacius Shenron's power from Hitsugaya Toushiro from Bleach.(I wrote the same thing in my last review,but for some mysterious reason it got deleted).And my second question was why Goku is stronger than 't they both be in the same level of power?And why the new dragon's name is Gamma Shenron?Is there a Beta Shenron somewhere?Just ,keep up the good work.I hope my review this time gets posted properly.
A: No, Glacius' powers did not come from Toshiro, any more than they came from Eis Shenron, Iceman, Cygnus Hyoga, uh...Frozone, Aquarius Camus, Kopaka, or any other character in fiction who has ice powers.
Goku is stronger because his base power is a lot higher than either of theirs (Old Kai's ritual).
And finally, because Gamma Shenron sounds cool. That timeline's Nameks made many dragons over the years, Gamma and Omega were just the last two; maybe Beta Shenron was one of the many that came before. Or maybe there was a Beta Shenron among the many Shadow Dragons who never made it out of the Pit. Or one of the Shadow Dragons that Janemba killed.
Q: Is there some sort of human ritual to get divine ki?It would be damn good if some human character got divine ki,maybe Tien.
A: It would be cool, but might seem a bit random to suddenly introduce...gonna lean towards "no". But don't discount relevant human characters, I'll say that much...wait and see...
Q: What happened to Future Bojack and his gangs since Future Vegeta sacrificed himself to destroy Meta-Frieza?
A: I briefly mentioned this, but they were one of a series of aliens who detected Gohan and Break's power on Earth and came to challenge them, and were killed easily (because, y'know, one of them was an SSJ2).
I imagine Bojack's gang was the toughest fight, though...I actually have that fight scene half-written and lying around, and I might eventually finish it and publish it as a bonus thing someday.
Q: Since you've mentioned that BTtL Baby still hated the saiyans but had come to accept the saiyans living on Earth, tell me is it true that Baby forgives the Saiyans. Yes or No. Also, does BTtL Baby has the DNA of the Tuffle Scientist instead of the Tuffle King because he is seen working at the hospital. Yes or No.
A: Again with the demanding tone, aiaiaiaiai...anyway, Baby now distinguishes between the saiyans now on Earth, who are all right, and the saiyan race of the past, who were bloodthirsty killers.
And second question: If you remember, BTtL Baby is Dr. Myuu. So...yes, very much so.