Naruto: Romance, Politics, and the Uchiha Problem

Disclaimer: Naruto is Kishimoto's property, and this isn't a story.

Warning: Language.

The Poor Framing of Fascism

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It's been a while since Naruto ended (six whole years; how time flies?), but, at this point, I'm certain that it's nothing more than the most heinous kind of fascist propaganda; and this is coming from someone who actually likes (and occasionally defends) Kishimoto's writing; however, there's no denying it: Naruto's basically Fascist Propaganda aimed at impressionable children, but it's the "pairings" that you'd see many (especially Sakura wankers who're still under the impression that a privileged self-aggrandizing jester like her was robbed of anything at any point in the manga) crying hysterically over. Self-projection is a powerful thing, folks. Don't underestimate it. Or is it a Fascist Propaganda but a product of many decisions taken by a man who slept less than 4 hours a day (literally), got only Sundays free, and didn't even get to mourn his father's death properly (he was only given a week in this regard, for which he received many death threats)? Heck, the man couldn't celebrate his honeymoon till after the manga's end; all that and the market demands. Nothing is that simple, is it?

The following post is copy-pasted from pointers I found from other sites. I truly don't have the time to type out long posts (one of these posts is from someone I'd talked to on Fan-Fiction, so it has a lot of my own points, as well, that were discussed over the Private Messages.)

I'm going to list few general ones if you read the manga from a particular angle and call it a day:

• Genocide for the greater good (of the state). This one is fairly obvious, so I thought I'd get it out of the way first. Slaughtering dissidents of the state is apparently an honourable and justified choice.

The problem with this "genocide" is that the granting of political power was a fair demand by the Uchiha. The village was founded on the basis of justice, and that's based purely in equality. You can't be just and fair if you're unequal in your policies. That's completely antithetical to the idea of justice. Baring one clan from politics, decision-making, and representation is a sure way to isolate a clan; however, Leaf didn't stop there. They physically moved the clan (something that was started by Tobirama) to the outskirts and limited their role in the village to one profession only. Not to mention we have the "dog-whistling" to further alienate the clan.

It's also rather curious that only the Uchiha that supported this racist policy were allowed into the Anbu Branch; it's no surprise that every individual involved in the massacre was directly or indirectly related to Tobirama and opposed the Uchiha. The rest of them? They weren't entertained, at all.

• Brainwashing children into military violence goes completely unchallenged by aspects of the narrative. The only people who challenge this idea are portrayed as "hateful". The best example of this is how the narrative feels the need to over-emphasize that Itachi murdering his clan was his own decision. It's awfully strange that we're expected to believe that a 13-year-old fool like Itachi (whose decisions do not make a lick of sense at any point in the manga), who was sent to fight in a bloody war for his country when he was a toddler, apparently, wasn't brainwashed with threats of war on his impressionable child brain when he was already completely numb to the concept of killing people. Itachi's history details the story of a brainwashed child soldier yet goes to great efforts to brush it aside and give Itachi the autonomy that's done to press the "justifiability" of the genocide and state-sponsored terrorism Leaf practiced in spades. Time and time, Itachi's brought to the fore so that he can re-assert fascist dogma as being just, heroic, and effective whilst being in a completely different body, a body that's no longer tied to his previous one; yet he leaves no stone unturned to double-down on the atrocities he committed, going as far as to spew gems like "a 7-year-old child Sasuke should've changed the clan because it's their lack of change that got them slaughtered" and "he's the Itachi Uchiha of the Leaf, irrespective of the heinousness of Leaf's sordid past". Never mind the cascades of "praise" casually thrown at a man, who butchered every last child to uphold status quo of a repugnant state, by the people who've never even laid their eyes on him; yet they shower him with ludicrous accolades simply because he killed every man, woman, and child for preserving an imperialistic war-industry that's doled out nothing but death, misery, and starvation to all and sundry.

People claim that he did it to protect Leaf. But is it really that simple? Not quite. Why did Itachi do this and to protect whom? Konoha against outside forces if a civil war broke out? It's strange that we know for a fact that Konoha was completely obliterated once (Pain's attack), lost Hokages twice, and during one attack, even Kurama broke loose. Each time, Kohona suffered massive casualties and damage to its infrastructure. Massive! I won't count the Sand Village as one to take advantage of the situation because they were fully involved in Orochimaru's plan to attack the village from the inside during the Chunin exams.

Now, why did no village take advantage of the chaos and take Konoha out and even take Kurama? These look like golden opportunities, don't they? It's that "treaties" with the other villages were in place, or the villages were dealing with their own issues. Mist had its own problems with the "Bloody Mist" affair, which was only cleaned up properly when Mei took charge. Mist became "Bloody Mist" because Obito was controlling the Mizukage from behind the curtains. Cloud's Hachibi had just found a more suitable host, and Bee had gone into training to learn the Tailed Beast Bomb. In fact, he never left the village during the time he trained to become a perfect Jinchuriki, which means that his fights with Minato happened before all of that. Similarly, Raikage was amassing Jutus during that time, and he'd also tried to kidnap Hinata, after which a peace-treaty was signed by offering him Neji's father's head. Onoki makes a reference to that that it takes a lot of time to take control of the Bijū. It isn't something a host can accomplish overnight.

Sand was already too weak to attack Konoha on its own as Gaara's father repeatedly tried to assassinate him (he couldn't control the Bijū properly), and he killed people for sport and tried to kill himself, too, because of his deep-seated mental issues. He was unstable due to the psychological abuse he was being put through, which is why he changed before the plan ever took shape during their attack on Leaf. Onoki was busy paying the Akatsuki to commit terrorism through Akatsuki. Who else's left behind? No one. So who was Itachi going to protect his village against? It makes no damn sense.

This is not only absurd but bone-chilling as a message of peace as Itachi, a remorseless génocidaire, is passed off as not only someone admirable but also a force of peace. If you don't find anything wrong with this, it's time for some serious introspection as this is as morally distasteful as it can get.

• Consistent denial of blatant military violence and State-Sponsored Terrorism that are collectively labelled as Will of Fire. In the manga, the truth about the Uchiha massacre is covered up by Naruto and Kakashi (Sakura only wanted Sasuke's magnificent Uchiha penis to snugly fill up her orifices, so she never cared about anything beyond herself) to "maintain the Uchiha Clan's honour". This makes absolutely no logical sense whatsoever. How is it more honourable to say that a clan was slaughtered by a rogue criminal of their own (further perpetuating the selfish, bloodthirsty, and power-hungry stereotype) when the truth is that an oppressed group of people was slaughtered by the government? How can an act of genocide be prevented by a future government when the truth is actively censored by the government? Neither Naruto nor Kakashi did anything to implement some sort of bill of human rights, laws, or policies (heck, anything!) in the honour of Uchiha to prevent more innocent bloodshed at the hands of the state.

Also, do people actually believe that if the truth of the coup and genocide came out, the Clans would side with Leaf? I'm aware that this Fandom isn't particularly bright, but to state that the enslaved Hyūga Branch Family and many others would side with an establishment that chooses genocide in lieu of dialogue, policy change, and political representation . . . is complete lunacy. Many of you clearly have very little idea about revolutions, do you?

• Ultranationalism is the key to lasting peace. The village is literally gated off. No one enters or leaves without permission from authority. The unification of the village under the statist military plus the slaughter of any and all potential defectors is pretty telling. It's frightening that "the will of fire" and protecting the state is the only honourable and good goal or ideology to have in this series as shown by Sasuke only ever being seen as "not evil" when he's beaten down into conforming to the very government that committed genocide against his people. In fact, the manga goes as far as to equate this repulsive Will of Fire dogma to Godhood through Shikamaru during his battle with Hidan. That should tell you something. (God, I truly can't stand Shikamaru as a character, another greasy byproduct of self-projections from people who firmly believe that they can be geniuses, too, if they weren't lazy.)

• Evil is in the genetics of the oppressed. This was pretty unsettling to witness and I'm surprised there haven't been more people speaking out about it; however, Naruto is fairly well-liked by many American readers, and we all know how USA (world's greatest terrorist state, along with her allies) has killed over 8 million people in Pakistan, Afghanistan, and Iraq alone . . . in the name of freedom, peace, and democracy. It's pretty hilarious. (Yet Obama's still the democrats' best man!) We love onto which we can project our own perceptions. Keep that in mind. As challenge is the first step to change, most people simply keep on spinning at the same spot. (Basically, most are the Ben Shapiros of the world, without the helium sexiness added.)

Apparently, ideologies are inherited not just by fate but also by your genetics. The Senju-Uzumaki obviously have "The will of fire", which is known to be the supreme ideology. It consists of uniting and enduring the hardships of the world under the totalitarian government but never pursuing revolution or change for the better. "The curse of hatred" is its counterpart which has its origins exclusively in the Uchiha ancestry. It's explained to be Uchiha culture to a degree. The narrative very desperately tries to paint the pursuit of revolution to prevent more violence as evil, bloodthirsty, and selfish. (That's why you have a slew of Sakura wankers writing "bad bitch!" Sakura fictions in which she lets the meanie "hater" Sasuke get it, and, afterwards, she wins the better Uchiha cock, of Uchiha Itachi, as her prize! Yay! Queen!)

This, in reality, makes no sense. Why are the Uchiha hateful for trying to fix a situation for the better of their family, yet, somehow, the Senju aren't characterized by hatred despite openly antagonizing the Uchiha? Simply put, the Uchiha are genetically undesirable and their push for equal rights are characterized as hateful, selfish, and lonely. None of the "bloodthirsty" actions of any Uchiha add up with this narrative in the light of what we've seen; but they're a fictional race of people that are only evil by the design that aggressively portrays oppressed groups as selfish, violent, and aggressive whilst simultaneously lauds the violent, inhumane, and wanton practices of the states. Towards the end of the fourth war, the story of Ashura and Indra is told to Naruto and Sasuke. Apparently, Indra is the original Uchiha who was influenced by some deranged evil spirit to pursue power over unification for completely selfish purposes. This is very unfairly equated to Sasuke and the rest of the Uchiha clan to explain to the readers that the Uchiha are inherently evil and selfish detractors; yet we're shown that the Senju through nepotism, fascism, and totalitarianism not only multiplied conflicts but also started wars (all of the wars were directly or indirectly started by Leaf) and engaged in the same things the Uchiha are accused of. This creates an odd paradox in the narrative, but the narrative still presses upon the fact that, no, the Curse of Hatred is the cause, fascism isn't.

• To be a revolutionary is to be hateful, selfish, and lonely. This ties into my last point. Sasuke is constantly referred to as lonely by just about everyone in the cast, especially Naruto. This has always been bothersome because Sasuke wouldn't have been lonely if his entire clan wasn't slaughtered by the very same people that Naruto stands by. This point is incredibly simple, yet it's overlooked because the fandom's obsessed with its version of anti-Uchiha narrative to a laughable degree. To add to this point, what if Naruto had simply said to Sasuke, "I believe you have every right to bring the murderer of your clan to justice and I'll stand by your right to justice every step of the way," instead of physically fighting him and screaming at him all the time? Sasuke isn't inherently lonely exclusively by his own means; no, he's alienated by everyone around him. The narrative acknowledges Sasuke's tragedy, but the fandom and the narrative, to an extent, ignore the real reason as to why he's lonely and then state that the only way that Sasuke will find a sense of family through the acceptance of his peers is if he conforms to the government and adopts the hegemonic ideology . . . after "repenting" forever in the aftermath of daring to get justice for his clan in the first place. This eerie emotional manipulation of a very emotionally vulnerable man is completely normalized and unquestioned by the fandom. It sends a harrowing message to the audience that it's more desirable and fulfilling to conform to the government in spite of their cruel treatment of your people, and, should you question otherwise, you must repent for forgiveness!

• The leader of the village is the most powerful member of the military, who is chosen exclusively through nepotism by a rich man who owns the land instead of the people, and is in power for an indeterminate length of time. Again with the military obsession! Not even necessarily the best military commander or anyone with experience in any leadership position, at all. This is quite fascist due to the fact that there's no limitation, no checks and balances, on what a Kage can do to their village: they're selected through nepotism, not democracy, and they're in power for as long as they please no matter how the public feels. The leader is not necessarily someone who is shown to be compassionate, responsible, trustworthy, intelligent, or reliable. In fact, you could be a known, un-prosecuted war criminal (like every Kage) and still get the position. Being a war-criminal is actually a preferable position in the village, apparently.

• To add on to that, war criminals in the Government or Military go completely un-prosecuted and often unpunished - as shown by Danzō and the village elders. The village elders are still in the same position during the events of Boruto as they were in over 20 years ago when they conspired to execute the Uchiha massacre. Naruto, Kakashi, and Tsunade know of their involvement yet haven't held them accountable in any way.

• Child soldiers are sent to die for the government. It seems that only Obito notices this when Rin dies. The second he becomes critical of the fact of this reality is the second he becomes "hateful" and "evil". This is too good!

And all this can't be ended on just that. This is my perspective on the Tobirama and the nonsense he brought to the narrative that's bereft of logic:

Let's start with the "jobs" thing and that Tobirama wanted to work with the Uchiha and that he didn't hate them. All right, first we have this "jobs" argument that I've never been able to understand. He gave the Uchiha jobs to limit their political hold (I'd elaborate on this in the next point), not help them. He's called out on it by Orochimaru of all the people that not only did Tobirama physically "move" the Uchiha to the margins of the village but also that his "policies and Jutsus" created nothing but strife, as well. (Let it be known that population movement is a war-crime that demanded an open revolt, not a covert one; yet this fandom is too far up its own bum, with the nasty self-inserting antics, that it keeps on doubling down on the Sasuke-hate to the point that I've seen people write masturbatory torture-pornography to kill, maim, or torture him in colourful ways, sans half-decent prose; maybe it's time to take a trip to a therapist? Your mum may find you cool, but this isn't normal—seek help.)

Tobirama himself stated that the "job" was given for the sole purpose of stopping another Madara (basically, the isolation tactic was deliberate, and he's outright admitted to that that he had an underlying agenda in mind); and both Orochimaru and Hashirama agreed that he persecuted the Uchiha repeatedly and that his Jutsus caused problems for everyone. Two people can't be wrong.

If he didn't hate the Uchiha, why did he react in an antagonistic manner to Sasuke, without knowing his intentions? He called the Uchiha "scoundrels" or "a clan that sides with scoundrels" quite frequently as this is literally his first reaction to Sasuke as soon as he introduces himself to him; furthermore, he doesn't even know what Sasuke was up to, only we readers do. This isn't prejudice? Bigotry? Racism? If not, what is it? I'm lost.

He also lied through his fucking teeth that no other clan was limited to the Police Force or one job that defined them save the Uchiha, a thing he accepted himself when Orochimaru called him out on it. The only Uchiha that were fit to be in his "cool" fascists' club were the ones that spied on the clan (or model génocidaires like Itachi). Which other clan was ghettoized, moved to another location, and isolated from village policies? I like the fact that he contradicted himself in a single chapter, repeatedly, yet the Fandom simply rolls around the ejaculatory Sasuke-loathing and laps it right up faster than that "two girls, one cup" video's stars. Ain't that a shitty mystery?

In fact, he could not only prophesize the genocide but also could predict that the coup would take place? Fascinating! He should've become a fortune teller in Hokage's stead. And Itachi committed a genocide (if it were lawful, it wouldn't have been kept under wraps, with Itachi being made the sole scapegoat). Also, Itachi's a model Uchiha in his view, an Uchiha who butchers men, women, and children in the name of the state? Oh, no, you see, he gave them jobs! In his view, "either you're with him or you're against him (how can anyone call this hard-right fascism, amiright?)". So he wanted to work with them, but he one) removed them from the political infrastructure and limited their power to stop a "fictional" Madara; two) he started the surveillance on them; and three) the only Uchiha that are model Uchiha in his view are either the ones that butcher every single Uchiha down to the last child or the ones that are totes cool with his segregationist policies. Heck, he's literally praising Kagami and Itachi. By praising the latter, he's fully endorsing the genocide.

And did he want to work with the Uchiha? First, Leaf was to be a democracy, but why was it a democracy? Because there was a danger that Madara could gain control; so Leaf was to be a democracy when Madara could become the leader, but it wasn't when Tobirama's segregationist policies had been fully enforced? Even the Police Force job he gave them was without power as the Uchiha couldn't arrest the Anbu (a branch that he used to spy on them) and Root. That's about half the military right there.

Hashirama promised Madara that Hokage was meant to protect the children and people. What a crock of shit that turned out to be, eh, Hashirama? Not only did Hashirama allow Tobirama to create the entire political infrastructure (in which children kill to progress forward in the military hierarchy) that was copied by other villages, but he also didn't come through on any of his promises. He said that he'd handle Tobirama. Well, did he? No, he allowed him to do the aforementioned and appointed him as the next Hokage. He's the one who started the nepotism in the village. Madara had realistic reservations about Tobirama, and all of them came true, one by one. He didn't leave because he wanted power. No, he left 'cause he didn't trust Tobirama and Hashirama. Madara challenged the latter and he had no answers to any of Madara's reservations. (Why, Hashirama doesn't seem like a fascist to you people? Is it that he acts goofy and laughs with his mouth wide-open? A friendly fascist, you say? I've heard that our very own "kill Iraqi children with phosphorous" Bush is a fun guy these days, as well; heck, I've heard many liberals say that he has a . . . soul, unlike Trump!)

Hashirama was fully willing to end anyone's life who threatened the state. Is that the sort of ideology he prattled on before Madara? No, he lied to him. Nothing in the village's built to safeguard the children or all the clans. It's a breeding ground for corruption, racism, and exploitation.

Tobirama's statements on the Curse of Hatred are absolutely laughable, middle-school-faux-philosophy rhetoric that only the people with very tiny intellectual capacities would ever buy. Were the Senju any different? No. Both Hashirama and Black Zetsu have talked of the Senju Clan's tendency to look for strife, blood-shed, and power. If both Uchiha are Senju are the same, how are Uchiha more blood-thirsty when this statement's directly contradicted by Hashirama and Black Zetsu? Why would Zetsu lie when he was playing both the clans? However, I'd say that the Senju were worse as they never wanted to change. They simply organized, multiplied, and intensified conflicts. That's all.

At first, Tobirama also considered his own words on Curse of Hatred to be nothing but "rumours". So he basically started "dog whistling" over no concrete evidence as his analysis has nothing to do with "curse". It's a genetic ability of the Uchiha to awaken the Sharingan in response to "heightened emotions". The heightened emotions are simply translated into a physical manifestation of chakra that in turn triggers the latent ability in the Uchiha genes to respond. Going by this logic, any person who feels "heightened emotions" is not only "cursed" but is also "full of hate". Do people know how fucking absurd this sounds? Do people even know that emotions are nothing more that basic chemical reactions?

"Emotions come from the arousal of the nervous system. Millions of chemical reactions take place in the brain at any given time. Chemical reactions occur because of synapses. Synapses are parts of the nervous system, and it is through these that neurons are able to transmit messages using neurotransmitters." Did you hear that, everyone? We all suffer from "curse of hatred"! Why? St. Patrick Tobirama can't be wrong. Hail Mary!

Guess what? There's nothing complicated about emotions or whatever Hollywood has filled your heads with; moreover, emotions of grief are more powerful as the memories they're associated with them are recalled vividly by people. The memories can resurface any time and are called "anniversary reaction":

"When a loved one dies, you might be faced with grief over your loss again and again — sometimes even years later. Feelings of grief might return on the anniversary of your loved one's death or other special days throughout the year. These feelings, sometimes called an anniversary reaction, aren't necessarily a setback in the grieving process. They're a reflection that your loved one's life was important to you."

"During an anniversary reaction you might experience the intense emotions and reactions that you first experienced when you lost your loved one, including:

Anger

Anxiety

Crying spells

Depression

Fatigue, or lack of energy

Guilt

Loneliness

Pain

Sadness

Trouble sleeping

Anniversary reactions can also evoke powerful memories of the feelings and events surrounding your loved one's death. For example, you might remember in great detail where you were and what you were doing when your loved one died."

It's repulsive how any individual can consider the most common reactions to grief as "curse of hatred" when, frankly, genocides, wars, and slaughters are so out there compared to a mere loss of a loved one that … I don't believe any normal, sensible, and decent individual would even venture such a statement.

Also, nothing in his own hypothesis points to anything even remotely along the "clinical" nature of hate, power, or blood thirst that he himself calls the "curse of hatred". He's presented literally squat to back up his hypothesis; and he was cutting up the Uchiha years ago, but he considered it to be "rumours" when the village was founded and then later "hardcore facts"? Based on what? What changed? Nothing is given from his side to validate it. It's ridiculous that Tobirama fanboys seem incapable of reading what Tobirama himself has to say on this. These three things can't be right at the same time: either "only the Uchiha clan has the curse of hatred" or "both Senju or Uchiha showed the same disposition for the curse as they both had engaged in same code of conduct, therefore, they both are affected by the curse of hatred" or "every person who experiences heightened emotions is affected by the curse of hatred". If one is right, two and three can't be right. If second is right, one and two aren't right. If the third is right, the first two are wrong. Tobirama's hypothesis being some kind of "hard fact" falls apart as soon as it's analysed in the light of the evidence given by other characters.

Furthermore, if the Uchiha were the only ones affected by the "curse of hatred" that's triggered by "heightened emotions", then why didn't they exhibit it when they were ghettoized? What about Tobirama himself? What would anyone call his tendency to not move on from past conflicts? A "unique curse that's not curse of hatred as that's reserved only for the Uchiha"? Again, if "heightened emotions" are the "curse of hatred", then the entire shinobi world suffers from it (as stated by Nagato and Jiraiya)? Nagato even acted on it, so he, too, has a "curse of hatred"? Gotcha, St. Patrick Tobirama! Perhaps Tobirama's fans are incapable of the most basic hypothesis as whatever he's said is not only infantile but also rooted in bigotry.

I forgot to add another minor argument: if Tobirama is right about the "Curse of Hatred" as he's a scientist, then why's Orochimaru wrong when his experience with the Sharingan and knowledge on Tobirama's own Jutsus far exceed anything Tobirama has ever done? We know for a fact that Izanagi's time was extended via Orochimaru's experimentation, and he's the one who created the whole arm for Danzo. We also know that he's the one who created the Shin clones, as well.

Then we have Sasuke's own disgust at Orochimaru's experimentation on the human bodies to learn the secrets of immortality (that's how he invented his Immortality Jutsu, you know). We also know that he's the only one to reverse the Reaper Seal.

This shows that Orochimaru's anthropological research on clans far exceeds Tobirama's, as well; otherwise, Tobirama would've left his research scrolls on the Uzumaki Fuinjutsu behind, but he didn't. Heck, Orochimaru was skilled enough to completely manipulate and close off Naruto's Kurama-seal with relative ease, too. He was using Tobirama's Edo Tensai so casually that Tobirama was taken aback by it. In fact, he perfected Tobirama's own Jutsu to the point that Tobirama himself couldn't overcome it.

So let me get this straight, Orochimaru who's got intimate knowledge of the Sharingan, genetics, and bodies to the point that he's even able to create artificial versions of Uchihas doesn't have anything to state on the Curse of Hatred, but Tobirama who only began to name the curse after the village was formed and has very little experience in Sharingan experimentation is right? Why? How and why do Tobirama's opinions outweigh Orochimaru's, a man who's managed to even create Sharingans? He's also calling Tobirama out on his policies. On a purely pragmatic level, Orochimaru doesn't care about the village or the Uchiha (beyond obtaining their bodies), so his opinion is the most objective out of everyone. Then why isn't more value placed on his opinion compared to Tobirama's despite the scientific knowledge of the Sharingan under his belt? Is there any scientist in the manga who backed up Tobirama's hypothesis? If the only other (and a far more capable) scientist, Orochimaru, is not only speaking out against Tobirama's hypothesis but also calling him out on it, shouldn't that raise a red flag as the only person to back Tobirama's theories is Tobirama himself? That itself should work against him, but Naruto fandom simply adores any scrap of material they can get their dirty little hands on, with which they can malign Sasuke. It's pretty cartoonish, if you ask me.

Then we have the scans in which Tobirama equates love to hate (what is this, high-school dorm-room philosophy?) and Hashirama states that Madara loved Izuna a lot. (It's curious that in Tobirama's view evil equates any sort of vengeance against Konoha!)

He also states that it's for the best if a group of people is butchered for the sake of the village. No one finds anything wrong with this brand of hard-right fascism? I don't understand. The Uchiha are evil for being dissidents, but Tobirama is righteous for inventing a policy in which even genocide is A-Okay for the preservation of status quo? Isn't this what every forward-thinking individual keeps whining against? Man, you guys are complete cartoons, aren't you?

I'd say this (a post I copied from somewhere, but I can't find the source) as it sums up my arguments fairly well: "People often argue characters like Itachi or Tobirama made difficult choices, but it's not true. They're small-minded, lazy in thinking, and they took the easy way out. Massacring people isn't difficult. What would've been difficult is navigating a myriad of social and moral issues like managing volatile historical inter-clan grudges, integration, pluralism, sharing of power, phasing out slavery and other inhumane practices, figuring out an economic model that doesn't rely on making kids killers and weapons, and at the same time trying not to antagonize all the traditionalists and interest parties. These things are really difficult, much more difficult than killing people. It'd actually require political talent and leadership."

Did Tobirama have these leadership qualities? If you say, "yes!", then you're being a deliberately obtuse, because we're all well-aware that that's not how you lead people in any socio-political and economic set-up, because that way lies disaster.

Then the Uchiha are often accused of war. The first world war began because of the combined issues that arose from the distribution of tailed-beasts to other nations, which Tobirama distributed on power-balances between the villages (his exact words), and the shinobi-system that Tobirama created was copied by all (again, exact words by Hashirama). Tobirama was attacked by Cloud, not Rock, Shinobi who ambushed and killed him. He also appointed Hiruzen, knowingly that Danzō had "forever been vying with Saru over one thing or another"? But Danzō didn't have the hater-gator Uchiha-curse, so Tobirama was cool with it.

Why would any sensible leader select such people as the village's torch-bearers when he knows that it'd cause political strife in the future? And it didn't? (Danzō paying Orochimaru to murder Sarutobi, anyone?) Who didn't see this coming? So to pin the whole thing on Madara's attack on Onoki and throw away everything else is simply bizarre to me. We don't know when this happened. We don't know why it happened. Madara also asked Onoki to bow before Konoha, and this is backed by the facts that Konoha 1) started an imperialistic and corrupt governmental system that everyone copied (Tobirama created the system), 2) they distributed all Bijū on the basis of power-balances between the villages (Tobirama outright states that despite the Kazekage's reservations about the whole thing; heck, the rest are already ready for war to crush wind—Madara was the cause!, my arse), and 3) the second world war was literally started by Konoha. In fact, Kumo tried to steal Kurama long before Madara ever tamed it, and that escalated things, as well.

What about the third shinobi war that was again started by Leaf as it'd lost its power? What about the fourth war that started 'cause of Konoha's state-sponsored terrorism that killed Yahiko? What does all this have anything to do with Uchiha? From the looks of it, every single world-war was either directly started by Konoha at the loss of power or indirectly through fascist practices. Madara or Uchiha had nothing to do with any of them.

Then we have the "Uchiha become vengeful, hateful terrorists" and "Tobirama was being cautious as the clan became vengeful terrorists . . . Lol, it's not racism" bits.

I like how the term "vengeful" is often used for people who fight back against the oppressors. It's kind of … curiously interesting. You know, leave it to the anus-sniffing gremlins to over-use the "terrorist" term as it's so en vogue among the terrorist white states' leaders and citizens these days. A term popularized by USA and her Allies who've mindlessly slaughtered over 8 million innocent people in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Pakistan alone:

"According to the figures explored here, total deaths from Western interventions in Iraq and Afghanistan since the 1990s - from direct killings and the longer-term impact of war-imposed deprivation - likely constitute around 4 million (2 million in Iraq from 1991-2003, plus 2 million from the "war on terror"), and could be as high as 6-8 million people when accounting for higher avoidable death estimates in Afghanistan." (Source can be provided.)

I've yet to touch USA and her Allies' glorious exploits through CIA (an agency that trained operatives to kill people for sport in South America—no, seriously, for real; Project MKUltra; torture of prisoners; etc.) or the genocides in North Korea, Vietnam (over 2 million people in a couple of days alone; forget the full death-toll), and its unbending support of an apartheid state like Israel (who in turn funded war-crimes against the Muslims from Rohingya and Bosnia and Chechnya) and now India; however, you'd never hear any popular news outlets calling these states for what they are, Terrorists! I like it how "vengeful" is quite tactfully used for the Uchiha whilst state-sponsored terrorism conducted by the villages is deliberately put aside.

I'll be blunt here: if you're willing to kill off a group down to the last child, you'd better expect the same treatment in return. Heck, it's justice, a term that means to "make things exact" in its original etymological usage. So the "Collective Punishment" Sasuke and Nagato had in store for Konoha was not only fair but also just.

Leaf started the second war and engaged in mass-slaughters and pillaging of resources to stabilize her own economy. This is outright stated by Nagato. Tsunade, who fought this war and murdered Nagato's people, doubled-down on her bullshit like a typical fascist cunt, but she's . . . cool, I guess? It's strange how the fandom absolutely adores nasty fascists but hate any character that stands against it. I wonder why? Nagato's death (brought about by a fascist's lemon-y "don't like, don't read!" Fan-Fiction; doesn't that just melt your heart? The tenderness of it all!) was the death of Ame's short-lived freedom.

She was on the front-line in the second war that Konoha started. She lied through her fucking teeth when she said that Nagato was lying and that the nations suffered tragedies. Man, fuck off, you smacked bag of twats! I suppose, she gets this laudable quality from her Uncle, Tobirama! How adorable. She's one of the "good" fascists, you know? A "war-criminal" feminist icon! She only sent in Jiraiya to further de-stabilize Rain when it was finally enjoying peace under Pain's rule after years of strife, despite Shadow Villages still trying to cause conflict there and make money; however, Tsunade was crying "women tears" (over Dan's precious one-of-a-kind penis), so it's all very sad and not terrorism at all! It's only the "hater-gator Uchiha-curse" suffering Uchiha that are terrorists.

Nagato's dialogue about his friends, family, and village isn't so different from Sasuke's (when he gave his impassioned speech before Kakashi and Sakura), now, is it? Heck, Sasuke's retribution is exactly like Nagato's, as well, who killed Hanzo, his family, and all associated with him, down to the last child. I wonder, why are people only pressed about Sasuke? It's almost as if it's self-inserting rearing its ugly head, something that I previously explained. (Uchiha hate is always about self-inserting and Sasuke-hate—always!)

They're exactly the same, aren't they? Victims lashing out at extensions (shinobi) of Terrorist States that have exploited, butchered, and pillaged them relentlessly to build their own economies and capitalistic war-machines. Obito told Kakashi and Naruto the whole thing; but their responses are gold! They range from endorsing genocide to outright whiny denial that why would Sasuke choose revenge and not serve the state that butchered his clan? And while I'm at it, can we all stop pretending that Kakashi is anything more than a fascist cunt-bag (Naruto isn't any better)? Thank you.

I mean, what about the other sorts of terrorism conducted by the states? (Haha, Raikage talked the big talk at the summit when he'd attacked Konoha several times and kidnapped Hinata and then wanted Neji's father's head! Yet the fandom still loves him, you see, because he "showed" Sasuke! Whoohoo!)

All of the Kages' confessions at the Kage Summit can be translated into the following: cross-border terrorism, murder of civilians to get funds from Daimyos (which is what started the Third Ninja War as Konoha and other villages were dry on funds), proxy wars, etc. None of this is terrorism? None of these are terrorists? No, you need to be suffering from the "hater-gator Uchiha-curse" to be a terrorist. Nice morality some of you have. It's as if all of you are . . . fucking ducks! Organized mass-scale state-sponsored terrorism? A-Ok. Victims lashing back at the system? Vengeful terrorists. Neat-o! (I've decided to forgo orphan exploitation and slavery they all practiced, too, aside of the slaughters, genocides, and pillaging on the side-lines—all that irrelevant stuff that needs to be over-looked because Sakura sniffed Sasuke's penis once and then her brain went out of her vagina in lovable spurts, with her so-called "perfect" chakra control in effect, of course; and we and Sasuke had to endure that for 700 chapters and beyond . . . people robbed her, you see? They robbed her dead—potential!)

Furthermore, to bring the argument back to the Uchiha, the Clan had entered into a "treaty-based contract" with the village, a contract based on equality principles. If you don't uphold the contract, you don't get to decide what the treaty-makers choose afterwards. This is a dangerous "submit or die" mentality that the Fandom preaches to espouse.

The Akatsuki are called S-class criminals and terrorists by many, but they willfully brush aside the fact that these so-called criminals were funded by all of the villages to commit genocides (Obito), pogroms, terrorism, murdering of people against certain policies, etc? Where do you people think they got all that money from? The damn villages! The Akatsuki are criminals, but these villages getting their just deserts is a bad thing when Akatsuki didn't do anything the villages didn't commission them to do? This is said in the manga by Onoki. The Fandom don't seem upset by these villages that are nothing more than Organized Fascist Terrorist Governments that kill people in large numbers and hoard their resources (Nagato explains it) as they see fit, but God forbid it if someone decides to give them their long overdue comeuppance! Morals! This fandom's like a large group of sociopathic imperialism-loving, nationalistic nutters that think that as long as governments protect their own people, no matter how many innocent people they kill, it's all fine and dandy.

Why would you think like that? Think . . . think hard!

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