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(Wiz and Boomstick - Official Death Battle Theme Song)
Ziana: Cinder Fall versus Tomura Shigaraki.
Kira: The Fall Maiden versus the Symbol of Fear.
Zen: That's my older sister Ziana Thundrice, she's Kira Romanov and I'm Zen Thundrice.
Ziana: And it's our job to analyze their weapons, armor and skills to find out who would win... a DEATH BATTLE.
Cinder Fall falls into DEATH BATTLE
(One Thing - Jeff Williams feat. Casey Lee Williams)
Kira: Cinder Fall was originally an orphan from the city of Mistral, before being adopted and brought to Atlas.
Zen: Which is like the Remnant equivalent to America. Cool, right? Not exactly, cuz Cindy was forced to become a slave at the Glass Unicorn hotel by her evil stepmother. Geez, talk about 'Out of the frying pan, into the fire'.
Ziana: And it didn't get any better for her, as she was constantly abused and tortured by her stepsisters as well. One night, Cinder stole a sword from a Huntsman named Rhodes, who had pitied her and decided to train her in secret to become a Huntress. Years later, when her stepsisters discovered her sword, Cinder decided to mercilessly slaughter her entire stepfamily, and later Rhodes when he turned on her.
Zen: Because that is a totally reasonable thing to do under these types of circumstances. The years of abuse took its toll on Cinder, molding her into a sadistic woman with only one goal: power, power, and and absolutely more power.
Ziana: And so when the evil witch Salem came to her and offered her all the power she wanted, really how could she ever refuse?
Cinder Fall
Superhuman strength, reflexes and durability
Aura
Semblance: Scorching Caress (allows her to super-heat objects and manipulate their shape.[17] She can use it to generate explosions by super-heating the ground, as well as turn dirt and dust into glass.)
Fire Manipulation (via Semblance)
Shadow Hand (Able to extend)
Power Absorption (via Shadow Hand)
Regeneration (Able to regrow her Shadow Hand if severed)
Fall Maiden powers
Elemental Manipulation
Flight
Weapon constructs via Fall Maiden powers (schimitar, sword, spear, twohander, bows and arrows)
Glass Dust: Used with considerable skill by Cinder, enabling her to form her weapons and projectiles out of thin air
Bow and Arrows: Made of glass, the bow splits down the middle to form dual blades, while the arrows have the ability to deconstruct and reconstruct themselves in mid-air, flying through obstacles without slowing.
Zen: Cinder possesses an Aura and Semblance. Aura is the physical manifestation of a soul which allows them to heal or absorb damage until it runs out, whereas Semblance is a superpower which is also connected to Aura. Her Semblance Scorching Caress allows her to control the heat and shape of an object. And she's proficient with bows and arrows.
Ziana: But her biggest trump card is the one she stole from Amber, the Fall Maiden powers. With it, she can control the elements like fire, ice and has access to magic. She can create weapons like swords and bows and capable of summoning tornadoes and changing the weather. And unlike most people, it takes a long time for her Aura to wear down due to her status as a Maiden.
Kira: But we're not done. After the Fall of Beacon where Cinder loses an arm, Salem gave her a Shadow Hand to replace it. It can can extend to lengthen her reach and able to regenerate if severed. It also has the unique ability to steal the a Maiden's powers.
Feats
With the help of Mercury Black and Emerald Sustrai, she killed the Fall Maiden, Amber, (from behind) and absorbed half of her Fall Maiden power
Fought equally with Glynda Goodwitch in the early series (while had 50% of the power of the Fall Maiden)
Disintegrated a Beringel in one strike
Infiltrated the Beacon Communications Tower
Hacked into the global broadcasting system
Presumably killed Professor Ozpin
Killed Pyrrha Nikos
Survived Ruby's Silver Eyes in Fall Maiden (But was heavily injured by it)
Almost killed (an already defeated) Weiss by impaling her (Until Jaune's aid)
Somehow passed as an exchange student in her 20's
Fought evenly and held her own against Spring Maiden Raven
Killed Verna
Survived falling from the Haven vault while frozen
Infiltrated the Kingdom of Atlas alongside Neopolitian
Managed to destroy Winter Schnee's aura and nearly kill her while also getting attacked by Penny Polendina
Fought Penny to steal her Maiden powers
Killed her stepfamily and Rhodes
Mortally wounded Penny
Defeated Team RWBY and stole the Staff of Creation
Ziana: Under Salem's tutelage, Cinder is a force to be reckoned with. She managed to steal half of Amber's Fall Maiden powers with Emerald and Mercury before successfully killing her to become the new one. She's infiltrated Beacon to hacking into the CCTS to and defeated equally skilled fighters like Ozpin, Ruby Rose and Pyrrha Nikos, whom she eventually killed.
Zen: She once broke through Oscar's shield which survived Hazel's explosion which destroyed Monstra, a feat worth 186 Megatons of TNT. Cinder also fought other Maidens like Raven Branwen, Penny Polendina and Winter Schnee, so she's comparable to them and her fight with Raven shook the Haven Academy from below and Winter dodged lightspeed lasers from her former boss Ironwood. And with Neo's help, managed to best Team RWBY and steal the Staff of Creation, before betraying Neo. Bitch.
Kira: Salem once threw a huge Grimm sludge that broke Atlas' shields which is worth 407.54 Gigatons of TNT. While Cinder's never outright fought Salem, she's comparable to characters who's displayed similar feats of strength so it's not too far-fetched.
Weaknesses
Dangerously overconfident and sadistic when facing unworthy opponents
Despite her confident demeanor, Cinder's monumental temper surfaces, showing her immense shock and outrage
Jaune managed to nick the edge of Cinder's mask during the battle at Haven Academy
Overestimated by Ruby and Raven
She tends to fight without much strategy (Her arrogance and aggressiveness often leads to this as she keeps getting outsmarted by the Spring Maiden Raven)
Despite her maiden powers, her durability and speed are no more than normal
Severe superiority complex and egomania often leads her to underestimate her opponents, going as far as to bask in her victories before finishing her enemies off. and leaves her unprepared for when plans go awry
Her plans don't always go as expected or can be predictable to clever foes
Raven used Vernal as a decoy that she is the Spring Maiden to keep the power silent before Cinder tries to set them up and takes it for herself
Lost her left eye and lack of depth perception (As of Vol. 4)
Her Grimm arm cannot harness aura, meaning it is vulnerable to attacks and it can still feel pain unlike the rest of her body.
Silver Eyes' power is shown to be a "crippling weakness" to all the Maiden's powers. V4, E1).
Ultimately defeated by Raven Branwen
Failed to steal the power of the Winter Maiden
Ziana: However, Cinder has an immense superiority complex. Her ego matches the very power she sought after and has a habit of underestimating foes which comes back to bite her sorry ass multiple times. And she also tends to lose her temper and rage whenever something in her plan goes awry.
Kira: Ruby's Silver Eyes are also a crippling weakness to both Maidens and Grimm, which Cinder had the unfortunate of wielding both and her Shadow Hand can't generate Aura and the regenerating part is actually a painful process. And for all her planning, she's failed to take the Winter Maiden's powers three times from three different people.
Zen: Still, Cinder will stop at nothing to gain what she wants and she'll do anything even if it means backstabbing her allies in the process to do so.
Cinder: You think hoarding power means you'll have it forever, but it just makes the rest of us hungrier! And I refuse to starve.
Tomura Shigaraki Decays DEATH BATTLE
(Uncontrollable Evil - Yuki Hayashi)
Ziana: Tenko Shimura was just a sweet, shy boy who loved superheroes.
Zen: But sometimes, the hand of fate can't abide sweet, shy boys.
Kira: Ruthlessly beaten and abused by his hero-hating father, Tenko pushed beyond his emotional limits until he activated his inherent superpower, or Quirk.
Zen: It wasn't something cool like flight or super strength; in his terror, he accidentally killed his whole family! Well, except for dear old dad. That one was intentional.
Ziana: Tenko wandered the streets alone silently begging for someone, anyone to help him. If only a hero was there to save him. But instead, the only open hand he found belonged to the Devil.
Zen: All For One, the greatest supervillain in history!
Kira: He took Tenko under his wing, feeding a hatred of everyone and everything, and grooming him to one day lead his League of Villains in destroying Hero Society. With that came a new name, "Tomura Shigaraki".
Tomura Shigaraki
Superhuman strength, endurance, agility and speed
Hand-to-Hand Combat
Decay
All For One
Quirk Singularity
Fear Inducement
Absolute Defense Form
Adaptation
Super Regeneration
Search (Stolen from Ragdoll)
Danger Sense (Stolen from Deku)
Radio Waves
Rivet Stab
Air Cannon
Heavy Payload
Springlike Limbs
Mental World
Reflect and Scatter
Telekinesis
Warping
And many more...
Vestiges
Resistance to Soul Manipulation
Can summon Nomus
Kira: Shigaraki's primary and busted Quirk, which are superpowers granted from a person's genes, is Decay. As the name suggest, Decay is capable of destroying anything Shigaraki gets his hands on. While originally needing to make contact with all 5 fingers and slow at first, it grew in size and requires less time for the effects to take control. But after becoming the new Symbol of Fear, Shigaraki also gained his mentor's Quirk, All For One.
Ziana: AFO can steal Quirks from others or empower its user with said Quirk. This is how Shigaraki stole Search from Ragdoll and Danger Sense from Deku's One For All. AFO has hundreds of Quirks stolen over the decades in the form of Vestiges or souls, to which Shigaraki can use at its disposal. Like with Radio Waves, Rivet Stab, Air Cannon, Heavy Payload, Reflect, Scatter and so much more.
Zen: Shigaraki can even combined several Quirks into one attack, adapt to his environment, able to generate waves of flesh like a tsunami and even summon Nomus at his side. And he has his Absolute Defense Form to become a monster of a tank.
Feats
Deduced pro hero Eraserhead's weakness while fighting him for the first time and tagged him
Analytical and quick-minded in a fight, recognizing weak points from watching opponents fight
Moved in front of Tsuyu Asui in a near instant
Reacted to Midoriya leaping at him with speed rivaling All Might
Tanked a blast from Bakugou
Snuck up on Izuku Midoriya in a public space and held him hostage without alerting anyone to his activities
Took out most of the Meta Liberation Army with the League of Villains and forming the Paranormal Liberation Front
Shigaraki has the command over 100,000 warriors in his hand
Disintegrated an entire building within seconds
Fought against Gigantomachia for almost a month with the League of Villains
Fought against Re-Destro and won
Defeated both Ryukyu and Endeavor simultaneously in the Paranormal Liberation Front arc
Also during said battle with Re-Destro, Tomura's Quirk underwent a reawakening that allows him to decay objects even without all five fingers in tact
Even after being pummeled by Deku with multiple smash attacks at 100% and being charred by Endeavor's Prominence Burn, Tomura was able to retain his consciousness and keep fighting.
Strong enough to crush a human skull
His speed increases even more, managing to catch Gran Torino, one of the fastest heroes in the world, and impale his chest before he could react
Manage to endure Izuku's Wyoming Smash, all while having his Quirks erased. He was also strong enough to endure multiple smash attacks from Deku at 100% in repeated succession
Tomura was also able to take Katsuki's AP Machine-Gun, likening the explosions to mere fireworks
Was able to escape from being captured from heroes in the war
Was able to release all of Tartartus villains
Is considered the 2nd dangerous villain in Japan
Was able to gain the trust of Gigantomachia
Had died in the Paranormal Liberation War but due to his will he was able to come back to life
Killed/Decayed many heroes in the Paranormal Liberation War
Managed to decay deep within the earth
Survived the State-of-the-Art Hypersonic Intercontinental Cruise Punch
Attacked with enough power to be seen from the Japanese mainland
Shigaraki's body is so strong that heroes like Gran Torino, and Endeavor compared Shigaraki's body to near All Might's level
Endeavor even compared his strength to All Might, but at some point it was mentioned that it was almost, but not quite
Strength was enough to easily overpower both Endeavor and Ryukyu while his Quirks were erased, as well as Deku with 45% of One For All.
Is so dangerous that Star Stripe who was America's number 1 hero considered Shigaraki a world-wide threat
Managed to tank Endeavor's strongest attacks. Even survived attacks like Prominence Burn which was Endeavor's strongest move being able to basically vaporize his enemies
Managed to Decay/Kill Star and Stripe, who was America's number 1 Hero (Her quirk allowed her to set a rule onto her surroundings, allowing her to manipulate and bestow new properties onto herself and the world)
Shigaraki managed to avoid his heart getting stopped
Star and Stripe made a larger version of herself in the air and Shigaraki managed to take her punches (Had impressively high levels of strength)
She also had number of fighter jets at her side, which are controlled by her close allies
Managed to steal the Quirk New Order from Star and Stripe, though New Order literally deleted itself from Shigaraki, so he can no longer use it
Kira: Shigaraki has shown why he's succeeded All For One as new Symbol of Fear. He's battle Gigantomachia for 1 month and a half, Decayed dozens of people at once and defeated Re-Destro to assimilate his Meta Liberation Army into the League of Villains to become the all powerful Paranormal Liberation Front, one of the strongest villain factions. His Decay eradicated Daika City in mere seconds and stated that he could've Decay-ed Japan in just one week.
Ziana: He's also held his own against multiple Heroes at once and overpowered them. This includes his rival and All Might's student, Deku, and America's #1 Hero Star and Stripe. In his battle with her, Shigaraki caught 12 lightspeed lasers at the same time and tanked her Intercontinental Cruise Punch, which is calculated at 7.9 Teratons of TNT. But that's nothing when Shiggy battled Deku.
Zen: Deku and Bakugo, whom gained OFA, created a massive island size hole in the clouds which is ranked at 80 Teratons of TNT and in their final bout in the Mental World, Shiggy and Deku harmed each other's Vestiges, meaning any damage to the soul is dealt with in the physical one. And it's been stated that Shigaraki is stated to be even stronger than All Might at his prime.
Weaknesses
Decay have some weaknesses
It can be halted by removing the affected body part
If the user has some type of flight power then they can avoid the decay on the ground which is where decay is most effective
If all five of Shigaraki's fingers aren't on something then his decay is slower
Due to how Decay works it won't decay materials like sand, smoke, or other things along those lines
Shigaraki's All for One surgery is incomplete although it's getting close to, but there's a chance where
His body may break down, causing him to have cracks on his body and/or bleed out alot
His regeneration may slow down, which can make him more vulnerable against strong, and fast characters
The quirk All for One has some weaknesses
If Shigaraki tries to steal someone's power/powers, and the person has a really strong will then Shigaraki will be unable to steal it. Though to mention Shigaraki's hate and anger will make it steal it easier, and if the user's will is really low. Also with his All for One surgery being incomplete then it would make it harder for now. This is why Shigaraki couldn't steal One for All from Deku because his surgery wasn't complete, and Deku had a strong enough will for Shigaraki unable to steal it.
If Shigaraki tries to steal someone's power/powers, and the person has the ability to invade Shigaraki, and All for One's vestiges then that person can actually delete, or remove quirks from Shigaraki. Star and Stripe before she died managed to put a order on her quirk where she deletes quirks from Shigaraki, rendering him more vulnerable, and it worked. Reminder not everyone will be able to do this.
Zen: But Shiggy isn't 100% invincible. For starters, Decay doesn't work on everything. If it's already something akin to dust like sand or smoke, then it won't crumble. And even then you can simply break off the part that's been affected to avoid spreading. And did we forget he has that gamer mindset? As expected from a League of Legends player.
Ziana: And should any of Shigaraki's Vestiges get destroyed or stolen, he also loses the Quirk that's part of it. Not to mention that most are sentient and will fight for control. Like how All For One intended to use Shigaraki as his own vessel since their Vestiges are connected. Shigaraki would ultimately be defeated by Deku, ending their rivalry, as well as their mentor's feud, once and for all.
Kira: And yet Shigaraki insisted Deku that he wanted to be remembered as a villain that All For One raised him to be and not the once abused boy that is Tenko Shimura. Deku reassured him that he had already destroyed the society that made him like this and in doing so allowed them to recreate a better one. Shigaraki died but not without a final smile, knowing he'd achieved his life-long dream of a hero wanting to save him.
Shigaraki: Nah. 'Cause I'm a villain. I fight in the name of evil... To destroy. Doesn't matter... if you stamp out my hatred. Even if I wind up hollow... The villains... need a hero of their own.
Ziana: All right, the combatants are set. Let's end this debate once and for all.
Ziana, Zen and Kira: It's time... for a DEATH BATTLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!
Shade Academy, Mistral
(Gods of Destruction - Brandon Yates)
Shigaraki: Hmph, for a school dedicated trained called "Huntsmen" and "Huntresses", these guys barely put up a fight. Same with these White Fang organization as well, nothing but a bunch of wannabes.
The Symbol of Fear, Tomura Shigaraki, scoffed as he stood atop a cliff and watched at the Paranormal Liberation Front and hordes of Nomus storm the Academy. All For One had mentioned of powerful item hidden inside the school that would aid in their war with the Heroes and so amassed the PLF to siege Haven in order to retrieve it.
?: YOU!
Danger Sense alarmed Shigaraki of incoming danger and turns to launch Heavy Payload against a massive fireball, creating an explosion. When the smoke cleared, Shigaraki saw that the one who tried to sneak attack him is Cinder Fall, the Fall Maiden. She glares at the Villain with disdain in her eyes as she flares her powers, floating as two circles of fire rotate around her.
Undeterred and unimpressed by the display, however, Shigaraki whips out his phone and focuses on whatever's on it.
Shigaraki: And who just might you be?
Cinder: I am Cinder Fall, the Fall Maiden and servant of Salem! Who do you think you are trying to steal the Relic of Creation my mistress is looking for?!
Shigaraki glanced at the side to see that a huge horde of the Creatures of Grimm had arrived out of nowhere and began to battle the Paranormal Liberation Front and Nomus. Unfazed though, whether or not because he believes they aren't a threat to him or because he knows his army will sweep them without much issue, he looks back at the Fall Maiden with uninterested eyes.
Shigaraki: If that's your way of showing force, then you're a big disappointment. Not even worthy of joining my army.
His words infuriated Cinder as she gritted her teeth at not being taken seriously.
Cinder Fall: I will make sure not even ashes will remain when I'm done burning you!
Rather than his usual response, the Symbol of Fear then raises a hand up...
Shigaraki: Then by all means.
... before snapping his fingers, causing multiple portals to appear in front of him as the Fall Maiden got ready.
Shigaraki: Entertain me for a while.
FIGHT!
Dozens of Nomus rush out of the portal, roaring out with the intent to kill as they immediately charge at Cinder. The Fall Maiden retaliates by incinerating them with her fire or slashing them with her her sword. However, one Nomu blindsided her from the side and was jumped by several more. But they were all blasted back by Cinder who taps into her Maiden abilities and destroyed all of them.
Cinder: Die!
Cinder conjures up and fires an intense energy beam at the Symbol of Fear, whom glances up from his phone before sighing and raise his hand to counter with Heavy Payload, the two attack deadlock in a stalemate. But he was far from taking this seriously.
Shigaraki: You bore me.
The Symbol of Fear puts his phone away and absorbs the energy attack with Reflect which shocks Cinder before releasing it back via Scatter, knocking her away. Cinder got up up and creates a bow before launching several arrows at Shigaraki, who deflects them all with Air Cannon. However, Cinder smirks and outstretches her Shadow Hand towards Shigaraki's throat, catching him by surprise as the Fall Maiden laughs.
Cinder: Fool! You let your guard down! Now your power will be mine!
The Symbol of Fear as the Shadow Hand began to absorb his energy. But rather than panic, he is more annoyed.
Shigaraki: I don't think so.
Deciding to take Cinder serious now, he grabs the Shadow Hand with his one of his own and holds it tightly.
Shigaraki: Decay!
The Shadow Hand crumbles by Decay, making Cinder scream in pain as she fell to a knee. She notices the affect spreading and in desperation, cut it off to prevent it from reaching her but in doing so release Shigaraki. Then she screams in agony as the Shadow Hand begins to regrow from her shoulder, the process painful but ultimately succeeds in becoming a new one.
Cinder: You...
Her eyes flared up and snarls like a rabid animal. Rage overriding common sense as she being treated like a mere peasant by him.
Cinder: YOU'RE DEAD MEAT!
But Shigaraki too was enraged as he believes this woman could steal All For One if given the chance. He's not taking any chances and decided to end Cinder right then and there.
Shigaraki: You will die by my hands!
He thrusts his hand out to unleash Quirk Singularity at Cinder, who conjures a huge wave of flames in retaliation. However the massive flesh-like tsunami overpowers her and she's forced to dodge by flying up high. However, Shigaraki surprises her by rushing forward with Air Walk and grabs her by the face before proceeding to grind it hard against the pavement below. Cinder throws her other hand forward for another attack but Shigaraki grabs it just as she unleashes a torrent of flames, missing his head by a few inches.
Shigaraki: You're weak!
The arm that held Cinder's face became fluid as he proceeds to slam her to the ground Loki style and whipping her into trees like a toy before blasting her with another Heavy Payload. The Fall Maiden recovers mid air and and growls at him.
Cinder: Don't you fucking underestimate me!
Cinder puts her hands together and launches an intense flame beam. Shigaraki outstretches a hand to try and absorb it with Reflect, but it was too much and he's forced to evade it although not without sacrificing said arm. As he grunts over the pain, Cinder took the time to laugh and mock him.
Cinder: Ha! Now you know how it feels to lose an arm! Sucks to be-
Cinder's voice was cutoff mid-sentence when she sees Shigaraki beginning to regenerate his arm the same way she did but was faster and less painful. She is stunned as she believes only Maidens could have more than one power.
Cinder: H-How many Semblance do you have?!
Shigaraki: Enough to kill you a thousand times over!
Hands covered his body as Shigaraki uses his Absolute Defense Form. The towering Symbol of Fear charges forward and punches Cinder into several trees. The Fall Maiden creates a massive sword and aims at his neck. But to her horror, the sword broke upon impact and the distraction left her vulnerable to being swatted by Shigaraki.
Panicking and desperate, Cinder opens her mouth to unleash a fire breath at him, only for it to suffer the same result. No matter what she did, unleashing flames, pelting him with her weapons, or even both at the same time, Shigaraki was unfazed by everything she could throw at her. Thinking, she thought of her Shadow Hand and decided to use it to finish him once and for all.
As Shigaraki aims to land another punch, Cinder blasts him in the eyes with fire, making him grunt as the attack diverts his aim and hits the ground instead. This gave Cinder the opportunity to grabs Shigaraki by the face with her Shadow Hand and proceeds to repeat the process again. Her face gained a look of insanity as she relished the thought of stealing his powers and laughed.
?: And just do you think you're doing?
Cinder froze as she found herself in Shigaraki's Mental World, a barren wasteland. She looks around and saw nothing until she tilted her head up and saw All For One, the original Symbol of Fear and Shigaraki's mentor, sitting on a throne, looking incredibly displeased. She took a step back in fear as she sensed that the aura he emits is just as powerful as her mistress Salem, perhaps even more.
All For One: Hands off.
He raises a hand to fire a powerful energy blast at Cinder who screams. She then found herself in the real world but before she could react, she was impaled by multiple Rivet Stabs, pinning her in place. Cinder struggled to to escape before noticing Shigaraki walking menacingly towards her with a smile full of malice.
Shigaraki: Remember what I promised you?
The Symbol of Fear placed his hand on Cinder's right arm and used Decay, causing her to scream in pain. Unlike her Shadow Hand though, she lost that limb permanently.
He then grabs her by the face and forces her to make eye contact with him, her face pleading for mercy to someone who had none to begin with.
Shigaraki: Now I'm going to keep it!
Cinder gave a one final scream muffled by his hand as Shigaraki use Decay to the Fall Maiden once and for all, her body crumbling to dust.
Shigaraki: Game Over.
KO!
* Shigaraki hovers over Haven Academy with arms stretched out and a grin on his face as the Paranormal Liberation Front cheers for his victory.
* Salem is seen in her castle catching the outcome through a Seer. Disappointed by Cinder's death but curious about the Symbol of Fear.
Results
(Gods of Destruction again)
Zen: Ding dong the witch is dead!
Kira: Cinder and Shigaraki are formidable villains whose ruthlessness and tenacity puts them in the higher hierarchy of their respective worlds. But to be honest, this was not even close.
PHYSICAL STATS
Ziana: Shigaraki wins this by a massive landslide. Cinder broke Oscar's shield which survived an explosion that destroyed Monstra, over 186 Megatons of TNT. But Shigaraki killed Star and Stripe, whose Intercontinental Cruise Punch that he withstood was calculated at 7.9 Teratons. And even scaling Cinder to Salem throwing that Grimm sludge is still nothing compared to Deku and Bakugo creating that island size hole in the clouds which is 10 times stronger than Star and Stripe's.
Zen: Both Cinder and Shigaraki reacted to lightspeed through scaling, but Shigaraki was able to catch 12 lasers at the same time and has kept up with Deku who has displayed similar lightspeed feats. Other than Winter, Cinder has only fought characters slower than that. Which brings us over to the next category.
EXPERIENCE
Kira: Cinder is no stranger to fights. Having gone up against several veteran Huntsmen and Huntresses as well as battling two experienced Maidens is nothing to look over. But Shigaraki has battled over dozens of Heroes at the same time and still came out on top. Not to mention many of her victories required outside help whereas Shigaraki has more solo victories under his belt.
Zen: Heck, Shigaraki fought Endeavor and Shoto Todoroki, who has fire-based abilities like Cinder and thus would have no problem adapting to her style, while Cinder has never faced someone like him before. Shigaraki takes this a second time.
Ziana: Though you can argue Cinder has at least one edge in this.
INTELLIGENCE
Zen: Shigaraki isn't all that of a strategist or a planner, relies more so on brute force. While Cinder can come up with a strategy that can help her in the long run and has outsmarted people before. But even then that's not enough. Intelligent fighters like Deku and Endeavor still struggle against Shigaraki and smarts alone can only get you so far.
Kira: Which brings up to the last and final verdict of this matchup, what both could bring to the table. The Fall Maiden powers against All For One and Decay.
POWERS
Ziana: Cinder's Fall Maiden's powers were nothing to scoff. Capable of changing the weather, use all elements, tap into magic and a major strength boost. And her Shadow Hand is particularly nasty. However, they pale in comparison to the amount of Quirks that All For One had stores over the years which grants Shigaraki a huge variety of abilities to call upon.
Zen: For starters, Shigaraki definitely has the superior healing factor. He can regenerate lost limbs or even half of body being destroyed, while Cinder's is only limited to her Shadow Hand due to being part Grimm. So if her other limbs get severed, she's not growing that back. Heavy Payload and Radio Waves have massive AOE spreads and Rivet Stab could keep Cinder on the backfoot. And the Nomus he could bring could easily overwhelm her in numbers if she gets reckless.
Kira: And all of this is without even mentioning Shigaraki's main Quirk, Decay. Cinder had no defense against such a monstrous ability and unless she wants to handicap herself to avoid the effects spreading, she's as good as dead the moment Shigaraki manages get a single touch. And as powerful as Maidens are, they don't have infinite stamina and can still be exhausted. With Shigaraki having a much greater stamina as proven with his month and a half battle with Gigantomachia, Cinder won't be able to last that long and would be overwhelmed.
Popup: Decay is capable of damaging spiritual beings aka Vestiges. In RWBY, Aura is the physical manifestation of a person's soul and requires a long time to heal when it's depleted. Semblance are connected to Aura and thus can't be activated without Aura.
Zen: But wait, what about Cinder's Shadow Hand? Won't it be able to help Cinder by siphoning some of Shiggy's Quirks for herself?
Ziana: Actually no. Other than landing lethal stabs, it was designed specifically to steal the powers of a Maiden which are magical. In contrast, Quirks are genetic and thus natural and there'd be nothing for Cinder to steal. And if worse comes to worst, Shigaraki could simply send her to the Mental World where Cinder have to deal with All For One and all of the other Vestiges inside.
Kira: Cinder Fall may be one of RWBY's unrelenting antagonists, but against Shigaraki's superior stats, All For One's sheer variety of abilities and primary Decay, she was ultimately outmatched.
Zen: If you thought the Symbol of Fear was gonna Fall, then prepare to have your expectations in-Cinder-ated.
Ziana: Ugh, that was in bad taste. The winner is Tomura Shigaraki.
COMPARISON
Cinder Fall
+ Smarter
- Massively inferior stats
- Aura cannot defend against Decay
- Maiden powers lack versatility
- Healing factor is limited to Shadow Hand
- Shadow Hand cannot steal AFO
Tomur Shigaraki
+ Massively superior stats
+ Insta-kill with Decay
+ More varied abilities via All For One
+ Superior regeneration
+ AFO cannot be taken by Cinder's Shadow Hand
- Not as smart
* The connections between Cinder Fall and Tomura Shigaraki is that both are famous animated villains created in the 2010s and lived in a world where people gain superpowers (Semblances and Quirks respectively). Both came from a family with an abusive parent who constantly beat them (The Madame forced Cinder into free labor while using a shock collar, while Shigaraki's father Kotaro abused him because he hated heroes) until they hit their breaking point and killed them.
* Both were then adopted in by dark and powerful villains (Salem and All For One respectively)
* Both activated their powers at a young age (Scorching Caress and Decay respectively) but gained a new power later in the series (The Fall Maiden's powers and All For One Quirk respectively)
* Both managed to take out one of the heroes' allies in front of their eyes (Cinder killed Pyrrha Nikos while Shigaraki severely injured Gran Torino)
* Both are also the leaders of a villainous faction (Cinder's Faction and The Paranormal Liberation Front respectively)